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  • #31
    Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    .
    Its not a track bike and its not a touring bike. Its a street bike and comes under the same category as the FZ series bikes..
    you have misconceptions dude.220 s is street fighter not the f version.
    220 f is one hell of a tourer,it can cruise @120 kmph for long time,not so forward biased riding position.wider tyre than zma,more bite of brake than zma,better set of head lamps with twin projectors,better top end than zma,better power ,better torque,better straight line stability.
    what else do you expect from a tourer?
    and the question remains why do i race?
    every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

    #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
    #overkill is underrated.
    #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
    #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

    (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
      you have misconceptions dude.220 s is street fighter not the f version.
      220 f is one hell of a tourer,it can cruise @120 kmph for long time,not so forward biased riding position.wider tyre than zma,more bite of brake than zma,better set of head lamps with twin projectors,better top end than zma,better power ,better torque,better straight line stability.
      what else do you expect from a tourer?


      I was referring to P220 in general. Be it the S or F, they can be toured on, just like my decade old Kiney, that can keep a constant 90Kmph without breaking a sweat. But in reality its not a Tourer. I dont determine a bike to be a tourer just cause the manufacturer says so, if that was the case then even the Fazer can be considered as fully fledged tourer, cause the caption of the bike itself is 'Touring Spirit'. The major factors that determines the touring capability of a bike are, its Large displacement engine providing great deals of low end HP and a more relaxed, more upright seating position than sport bikes. Where MORE is the keyword. (Source : Wikipedia.)
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      2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
      2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
      2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
      2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
      2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
      2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

      The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
      Adios Comrades!
      A.P. 2018

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      • #33
        Originally posted by muztariq View Post
        absolutely wrong choice..
        GO for fazer 150.. Better braking, stylish, wind tunnel tested fairing, monoshock absorber.. Btter mileage than karizma.. Low center of mass.. Smoothest gear shifts..
        Cons rear seat is smaller.. But much better seat for the rider than karizma.. Suspensions thicher than karizma.. Widest tyre for the grip on highways, i ride it with one hand at 80 km/hr.. Literally enjoyable ride..
        As youve mentioned - ride in 25 to 120 in 5th gear.. No gear shifting required. ... etc
        Not a very brave thing to do, riding with one hand at any speed, leave 80 kmph.
        Regarding maintaing 5th gear from 25 odd till top speed, man then you'd get mileage like the Hayabusa!

        Plus, Fazer ain't a tourer. I mean its positioned as one, but I didn't feel as comfortable as a Karizma or a P220 for that matter.
        And ya, we can tour on a P220.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
          . I dont determine a bike to be a tourer just cause the manufacturer says so,
          neither hero nor bajaj positioned zma and 220 as a tourer,enthusiasts identified their capability as a tourer gradually.
          now here is the deal i don't need a wiki know how to judge 220 as a tourer,220 is a great tourer and does everything a zma does in a better way.
          and the question remains why do i race?
          every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

          #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
          #overkill is underrated.
          #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
          #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

          (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
            neither hero nor bajaj positioned zma and 220 as a tourer,enthusiasts identified their capability as a tourer gradually.
            now here is the deal i don't need a wiki know how to judge 220 as a tourer,220 is a great tourer and does everything a zma does in a better way.
            @sayank10,

            Point noted. I'll check out the Pulsar220 and see if it suits my purpose . The more choice, the merrier !

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
              The major factors that determines the touring capability of a bike are, its Large displacement engine
              [B] 220cc is large displacement for indian bikes [\B] providing great deals of low end HP and a more relaxed, more upright seating position than sport bikes. Where MORE is the keyword. (Source : Wikipedia.)
              i think pulsar220 is a better tourer than zma in almost every aspect (except a lil' bit vibes). Any bike above 200cc and with fairing can be used for touring.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by w4rrior View Post
                i think pulsar220 is a better tourer than zma in almost every aspect (except a lil' bit vibes). Any bike above 200cc and with fairing can be used for touring.
                It'd be better if you stop looking at paper specs and start looking at a real life scenereo. The P220 or anyother street spec bike or be it even track spec bike would put so much physical strain on the rider that he wont be able to ride for long. We, the riders are'nt machines like the bikes we ride to perform constantly under any circumstance thrown at us.

                Originally posted by sayank10 View Post
                neither hero nor bajaj positioned zma and 220 as a tourer,enthusiasts identified their capability as a tourer gradually.
                now here is the deal i don't need a wiki know how to judge 220 as a tourer,220 is a great tourer and does everything a zma does in a better way.
                You dont get my drift bro, on paper the P220 is above the ZMA in all aspects, but when it comes to riding the bikes for prolonged distances the ZMA has an upper hand comparing the P220, cause its riding position is more commuter oriented and hence the rider feels less strain, where as the P220, made by Bajaj to kick the ZMA's ass, is designed more radically by having all the features the ZMA lacked, like rear disc, more agressive riding position etc. But when it comes to touring the ZMA's commuterish position is more favourable than the P220's agressive sporty position. Its as simple as that.
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                2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                Adios Comrades!
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by w4rrior View Post
                  i think pulsar220 is a better tourer than zma in almost every aspect (except a lil' bit vibes). Any bike above 200cc and with fairing can be used for touring.
                  @w4rrior,

                  I came across this interesting comparison video by autocarindia in which they say that the ZMR is a better handler and more comfortable over bumpy roads compared to the P220. They also said that the ZMR feels more refined and better put together.
                  Karizma ZMR Worth the wait - YouTube

                  Maybe Im wrongly biased but past experience with bajaj has left me a bit sceptical about the quality of their products.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ansum View Post
                    @w4rrior,

                    I came across this interesting comparison video by autocarindia in which they say that the ZMR is a better handler and more comfortable over bumpy roads compared to the P220. They also said that the ZMR feels more refined and better put together.
                    Karizma ZMR Worth the wait - YouTube

                    Maybe Im wrongly biased but past experience with bajaj has left me a bit sceptical about the quality of their products.
                    Ansum they say "ZMR". Yes the ZMR is one of the best tourer among "made in India" bikes... better than the P220 but the P220 is slightly better tourer than the ZMA which is a much better tourer than the GS-150R. 220 is a fun product overall which can reach top speed of 144 kmph. ZMR is good for touring but you will have to shell out a lot more. Hope that helps.
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                    • #40
                      And here is Overdrive magazine also giving the thumbs up to the ZMA over the P220.

                      Bajaj Pulsar 220 DTS Fi vs HH Karizma vs TVS Apache RTR 160 Fi.wmv - YouTube

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                      • #41
                        I only recommended the ZMA because I thought you had already rejected the P220. Anyways, I recieved a PM yesterday regarding my ownership experience with the Pulsar 220 DTSi since mine would be amongst the oldest ones here on xBHP. Do read the following conversation if you are actually open to other options.

                        Originally posted by antz.bin
                        Originally posted by paradox
                        Hey i am sending u this pm to as about ur ownership experience with your 220? How much mileage does it give right now? how many kms have you run? and Has the ride quality reduced? i am thinking of buying a 220
                        My ownership experience with my bike has been a tremendously satisfying. It has given me whatever I had expected of it when I bought it.

                        These days, I have not been doing as many highway rides as I did upto last year, so, have it tuned for better low-end for easier riding in the city. It returns me anything from 38kmpl to 50kmpl depending upon my mood. The max I have hit is 58kmpl when I was in eco-friendly mode. So that is possible too. To give you an idea, at a constant 5k RPM in top gear, i.e. @75kmph, a 'properly tuned' P220 returns somewhere around 46-47 kmpl. This mileage obviously drops if you try to go faster.

                        I have done a total of 36k km. The only parts that have been changed (apart from accident repairs and routine part replacements like Spark plugs / Air Filter) are:
                        1. Rear tire @21k km. (Costed 2800)
                        2. Chain Sprocket kit @24k km (Costed 1200)
                        3. Front Tire @27k km (Costed 1500)
                        4. Clutch plates @29k km (Costed 1100 inclusive of oil change)

                        After the above changes, the bike feels *almost* as good as new and good to go for another 15k before it would need any more part changes.

                        The only breakdown I have had is because I stopped for 30 odd minutes in a cloudburst and had to park the bike on a leftward incline in the rain which caused water to enter the right spark plug contacts. The breakdown lasted exactly 13 minutes because thats when I removed the cable on the right plug and cranked and the bike came to life.

                        Earlier, I would recommend a P220 in a heartbeat but considering the new developments and the announcement of the new P200NS, I have to think twice before I recommend. If you have the budget for a 1 Lac OTR bike and will be using the bike primarily in the city, please wait for the P200NS since it is infinitely better at everything*.

                        * - Everything you will encounter in the City

                        If however you have highway touring and extensive night riding on your mind. There is still nothing better than a P220 south of Rs.1 lac. Well, at least till the 55W lighting + Faired edition of the new P200 comes for sale.

                        Hope I have helped and so you can now take a more informed decision.
                        Edit: The 2nd video has the 'now discontinued' P220 Fi.
                        Last edited by antz.bin; 03-26-2012, 12:34 AM.
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                        • #42
                          @Ansum, Its pointless providing videos to users who believe that P220 is a better tourer, because they dont get the essence of touring, it doesnt matter whether you reach your destination a few minutes earlier or you hit a top whack of 133Kmph on the GPS. All that matters how you got there, how much you enjoyed the ride, how much fun you got out of it, how much relaxed you feel and so on. Normally in every bike related event the machine used is given importance to, but when it comes to touring, its all about the rider. Hence thats the reason why the P220 which is faster and quicker than the Karizma's cant win this game.
                          Motorcycling Experience:
                          2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                          2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                          2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                          2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                          2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                          2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                          The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                          Adios Comrades!
                          A.P. 2018

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                            It'd be better if you stop looking at paper specs and start looking at a real life scenereo. The P220 or anyother street spec bike or be it even track spec bike would put so much physical strain on the rider that he wont be able to ride for long. We, the riders are'nt machines like the bikes we ride to perform constantly under any circumstance thrown at us.



                            You dont get my drift bro, on paper the P220 is above the ZMA in all aspects, but when it comes to riding the bikes for prolonged distances the ZMA has an upper hand comparing the P220, cause its riding position is more commuter oriented and hence the rider feels less strain, where as the P220, made by Bajaj to kick the ZMA's ass, is designed more radically by having all the features the ZMA lacked, like rear disc, more agressive riding position etc. But when it comes to touring the ZMA's commuterish position is more favourable than the P220's agressive sporty position . Its as simple as that.
                            i wouldn't call it as agressive sporty position. It's neither sporty nor commuterish. And how can you say that it put physical strain on riders so that it can't be ridden for long? Have you even tried touring in a 220?
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ansum View Post
                              @w4rrior,

                              I came across this interesting comparison video by autocarindia in which they say that the ZMR is a better handler and more comfortable over bumpy roads compared to the P220. They also said that the ZMR feels more refined and better put together.
                              Karizma ZMR Worth the wait - YouTube

                              Maybe Im wrongly biased but past experience with bajaj has left me a bit sceptical about the quality of their products.
                              hey as enthu said i was talking about zma and not zmr. I've no idea how zmr feels like 'cause i've never ridden one. And Yes even zma is more refined than pulsar. All i'm saying is there's that fun factor is p220 which is missing in zma. Overall zma is a very good bike and yes bajaj has some quality issue but if maintained proper it won't let you down. My cousin owns a classic pulsar which can almost keep up with fz. It all comes down to your maintainance. Anyways Test drive all the bikes and decide for yourself.
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                              • #45
                                The discussion went a little off track. I think what I essentially wanted to figure out was where I should draw the line for my purpose of city commuting and relaxed touring......will a 150cc bike be more than enough or will i better of with a little more powerful 225cc bike. I know I'd be happy with a 150cc bike in the city but on the highway, it might struggle especially with an adult pillion, some luggage and when going up hilly roads. On the other hand a more powerful 225cc bike might feel at ease on the highway but I was afraid that it maybe a pain in the city due to a heavier clutch action for example.

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