I wasnt accusing the P220 as a batch. All I was claiming was that there are several more reliablility issues with the P220 than the ZMA. And by reliability issue am not talking about bike stop-open tank-bike start im talking about solid issues that've left the rider stranded.
Engine Stalled While Running.
SparkPlug Popped Out.

Now I can assume what your going to say next, "oh the bike in question has run alot and so its normal"... or wait..... yeah got it.... "Thats not the version of P220 I was referring to"..Blah..Blah...(Lol, only Phun Intended.)

Now coming back to my ZMA, mine was a manufacturing defect, and the company was more than happy to take care of it. Heck when I requested them to change the oil at my expense, they accepted it, but I went to take delivery and pay the bill, the SVC manager said that there was no need to do so.

And does this qualify??? For your engine seizure query???
17K Old P220F Seized.

Now again, you may argue that the P220 in question is 17K old and mines inside 10K, but keep one thing in mind, my ZMA was certified to be 100% functional by both the SVC's in my district. So I guess that proves it.

OT.
Dont feel as if am against the P220, its a good bike and my dad was interested in getting it for me, but later on due to my persuasion only we went for the ZMA.
And yeah, I do have a personal soft corner for the GS, Its a bike I wanted so bad for a while, but dad was the 'BE INDIAN BUY INDIAN' type, so that was clearly out.

You already know where all your arguments are going wrong. Who knows maybe your bike would have had a seizure if you had run the bike for 17k km in that condition. You were lucky to get it rectified at 3k. Anyways, all the bikes in consideration are made in India. None of them are imported.

BTW, you not knowing how to do a thousand km on a P220 in a day without getting a back ache is not the bike's problem.

OT: Please do update your profile details if you call yourself a tourer. Because from what I see, 160km in a day doesn't even qualify as a 'Short Ride' in my books. Heck I know people who do more in their daily commute.

Replies in BOLD.

Forgot pointing to tranny blow out or couldn't find it?? all the same buddy, the point we are trying to knock it into your head was, Zma is no better on reliability front. Yet you guys so casually associate it with bullet proof reliability & Pulsar with infamous unreliability. Call it perception or madly in love with your own bike, generally observed with Honda owners i.e don't have trouble free experience, but they are ready to discount it coz "it's a Honda", is it not bias? by advising people around in the forum with that kind of mindset, aren't they misleading members?

I don't need your preachings about my perceptions. I know about Bajaj bikes better than you. Seems you are in neck-deep love wit Bajaj; you come after everyone who has a negative opinion about Bajaj bikes. Its not good for your health.

Karizma is unreliable? Better use your analysis somewhere else. I can't help but laugh at you.

same old boring topic,why you senior xbhpians become so kiddish whenever there is any p220vs zma topic going on.

You need to develop proper reading skills to understand what is written. Did I state Karizma is unreliable or did I state Pulsar is reliable?? all I said was problems are there on both bikes, yet people ignore problems on a Honda, just like you did with your Stunner FI and praise Honda for bullet proof reliability or even ashwin did with his zma. But the same problems on bajaj make it infamous or notorios. I'm not in love with any brand, it's you who is in love with Honda, and so you can't get over repeating infamous unreliability of Pulsar & bullet proof reliability of Honda. I'm not a brand ambassador for Bajaj to go after everyone or advise on it's bullet proof reliability.

@Sayank, what's the point of growing up, if you can't be kiddish/childish at times

Guys I think this debate about reliability could go on forever. Nobody makes 100% perfect two-wheelers or four-wheelers. Even top brands of cars like BMW, Mercedes have to recall thousands of vehicles sometimes.

What we need to look at are some statistical studies on customer satisfaction to find out which bike manufacturers are the best. Does anyone know if any such survey has been done for bikes in India?

Seems you enjoy things to discuss repeatedly, like beating a dead horse, and I am not going to fall for your bait. I bought Hero/Honda products because I know they more reliable than other brands, not because I am a fan of Honda, I am very happy with the products that I bought. The Stunner FI was the first issue in India, and they have rectified it under warranty and is doing excellent to whom I sold.

Don't come after me showing your Bajaj-loving attitude; not even a Bajaj employee does at this level. Express your opinion, but don't quote and question my opinion repeatedly. Please get back to your work. If you understand this, you will not come back quoting my posts and preaching me again. I have been ignoring you, you better do the same.

haven't heard of such survey.but i guess rural customers are happy with hero moto corp products,about urban customers i guess the considerably high no of pulsar tells the story.
having owned products from both company i can say hero honda was a bit more reliable just because of their borrowed engine from honda,but now-a-days pulsars are equally reliable if not better.but guess what people some how managing to own a honda tag rather bike call others un-reliable.

Glad that you scored an India first with your ex-ride! Don't you worry about my work & attitude, worry about yours! to understand my point you need open mind, but unfortunately you are resorting to personal attacks with useless comments on work & attitude.

Sad to see people facing unreliability with Bajaj bikes who don't own them. Stop allegations on each other and close this thread. This is not a war-zone. All Hero, Bajaj, Honda etc have their own advantages and disadvantages otherwise we would be having just one bike in every house.

@Enthusiastic, buddy, agreed we went way OT, but hey that was partly related to this thread and I hope Ansum got some useful insights from that discussion as well. Since he is still to choose his ride, thread should not be closed until then, isn't it

Yup, I got some useful insights .......more into the P220 vs ZMA divide than ZMA vs GSR but I have enough feedback now.

Lets let the thread remain open till I get my new bike.

hehe, look at the brighter side buddy. Anyways, if mileage is not a concern, it always makes sense to go for big bike.