if you are that much concerned about comfort during touring why not choose avnger,RE.cruisers are better right?
yeah you are right you get the essence of touring by riding zma only because it has comfortable riding position.
but the 220 riders don't get the essence because they have-
1.better brakes
2.better head lamp.
3.better horn.
4.more torque.
5.longer wheel base.
6.more top whack.
7.more stability during cross wind.
am i right?seems like these are not at all required for highway ride,only thing required is the comfortable riding position.
zmr better handler??those bulk of fibres make it worse.
what are you gonna do with refinement anyways,buy unicorn ,fazer then.
that's an fi 220.
no he hasn't, because he is too afraid of missing the essence of touring.

heavier clutch action???couldn't get you.

@sayank10,

Ive owned a suzuki 450cc twin and a Jawa 350cc twin in the past and I felt that these were not easy to use in the city. If you ride any of these higher capacity bike you would know what I meant by heavier clutch action......basically engaging and disenganing the clutch requires more skill and effort compared to a 150cc commuter.

i have not ridden them,so i don't know what are you referring to but i had no difficulty while riding ninja and ceeber.

Zma or p220 has no problems like that. The only problem is that these are not very flickable in the city traffic.

@w4rrior,

Good to hear that. I dont think Im going to be zig-zagging through traffic.

@TS, if you are not concerned about mileage then it's best if you choose between P220 & Zma, as they are far better choices, both of them make for excellent tourers. P220 scores if you got night riding in your mind due to it's awesome head lights. Frankly, I believe higher top whack capability really helps in touring. Touring is enjoying your ride, agreed, but that doesn't mean trundling along @ 60-80kmph all day. You might be in mood to go faster for some time and at that moment you should not regret your purchase. So, get the best possible performance+mileage combo available out there. Some times, I do feel that reliability issue is over blown as far as Pulsar is concerned. Please keep in mind that both of these bikes make your life comparably difficult inside city. Not because of heavier clutch action, I don't think they are any heavier than 150cc cousins, they aren't as flickable as 150cc bikes.

so what are you gonna do with the bike,you don't need power,no top whack,you don't wanna do zig-zagging,no ripping,no stunting,you don't do rash riding,are you gonna keep it in your closet

As I mentioned just plain and simple commuting within the city and touring........I dont think one has to necessarily do all the other things you mentioned to enjoy biking.

I've commuted on P220's both Fi and Carb for extended periods. So I know the feeling. At first the fun factor(The P220 being the torque monster it is.) will take away your attention and hence you'll feel all zip zappy, but after like 20~30Kms, you'll get used to the thrills and start noticing that your back's hurting like anything, I've experienced the exact same thing with the RTR180's.

My friend has one, the bike is so beaten up that after kick starting it, you'll have to manually pull back the kicker, and the timing chain/valve noise is so loud that you wont be able to hear anything else while riding it. But the remarkable thing is that till 110Kmph, that decade old Pulsar even makes my ZMA run for its money.

By heavier clutch action do you mean the rigid clutch lever movement or, the reverb/shudder/kickback felt after shifting at higher revs??? If its the first case then as P220 gets older the clutch movement gets stiffier. If it was the second case then I've been experiencing the same in my ZMA.


Something people dont get it is that the ZMA and P220 are more flickable than most bikes, the ZMA due to its massive low end and the P220 due to its equally distributed powerband and rev hungry engine, but the reason people riding both bikes for the first time dont agree is that, it takes alot of experience to flick the ZMA, its like point and shoot, so if you dont have the timing then its not possible, and coming to the P220, for some strange reason the P220's handle doesnt respond well to direct orders, for example try cornering hard and you'll get one heck of a shock, the bike'll go straight into the divider up and until, you counter steer, and once you start counter steering then the bike obeys your every single wish.

Guess atleast now everyone understands why I've been strongly recomending the GS over the ZMA for our friend Ansum here.

Guess atleast now everyone understands why I've been strongly recomending the GS over the ZMA for our friend Ansum here. [/QUOTE]

if you notice, i too suggested him gs before anyone did. I never suggested pulsar220 to TS, as he just wanted a normal commuter and tourer. All i was doing is telling YOU that pulsar is as good if not better tourer than zma.

Right on point bro...

go in for karizma

get the ZMA...its tried n tested for a long time in d market...a rock solid one

Toss kar le bhai ZMA, P220, Gs ke beech me