Discover 150 is also cheaper than Discover 125ST. But then it looks exactly like the Discover 100 and Discover 125 and doesn't have a Monoshock.

Yep, I think I saw that while I was browsing for prices online. So does it make the Discover 150 better value proposition than P135 and D125ST?
I'm not in for too much looks and all. What I'm looking for is lite weight, economy and best VFM.

Well then in that case you should start off with the test rides since Discover 150 is the lightest and the least expensive 13 Ps bike in the market today, the light weight (and DTSi) also help it maintain excellent economy. The best bit is that the only 125cc bike cheaper than the Discover 150 is its own sibling, the Discover 125 (2 valve) . The pricing bit is true at least here in MH.

Why not FZ or SZr by Yamaha ?? They are very excellent in city with good city power and as you mentioned that no tripe etc, so this bikes are Boon to you!!

If you are ok with TVZ then how about RTR 160 in budget of 70-75K if good to go then RTR 180 non ABS ?? RTR is good in handling with better power compare to your previous RX, with better kmpl.
BTW way your requirement is purely on 100-125cc bike but when you add up pick up so it gradually goes to 150cc.
Any issues with RTR or FZ/SZR ??
What do you mean by spares ?? I never heard of spare part issues ?? I or my friends never waited for any parts for our bikes.
I don't think Honda/Yamaha is over priced, becuase i have seen them running over 1.2L kms and they are still running with out any engine major niggles. So isn't it good?
Don't know about suzuki ASC, but surely they are not going to leave the Indian market in for next 5-6 yrs.
I heard this for first time over hero.
Now bajaj has improved with NS200 and D125ST but don't know about the other models reliability!!


I feel FZ/SZr is best for you!! Even RTR models are good for you!!

I tried riding a friend's FZ, I found it tad uncomfortable and bit bulky. I like really lite bikes. For e.g. on my RX I apply brakes every now and then (heavy traffic, pavement side maneuvers, etc) and move through dense traffic like butter (lite handle). But while doing all that, worst case, I slide only my seat back and forth - I don't think that's possible in tight seating like FZ. But I've seen well built guys treat FZ like a RX... I don't have that height and built.

Which is why I'm shying away from all the models that you've mentioned - FZ, RTR, etc... because I don't feel in control when riding these bikes. Same with P150 (2nd gen, a friend had). The handle was way too heavy for me.

About Hero build - May be the higher end models are well build and well equipped too. But when I was checking out bikes in the showroom, I didn't find the fit and finish crisp and clean like Honda or Yamaha. For e.g. on the splendor models, there was welding at many places on the silencer and chassis. Now, that's not a good thing. And it didn't look good either. But with Honda and Yamaha, the fit, finish and build seemed much better.

Suzuki also seemed to have OK build, fit and finish.

Yes, I agree. I would be purchasing in Mumbai only. So the pricing point seems valid. Also, I'm looking at Bajaj only from the Discover POV, because other models don't seem VFM to me or yet others (like platina, boxer) don't feel sturdy enough.

Here's the chart I'm building. Some details are yet to be filled:

This chart might help. I made it a few months back. Prices may be a bit outdated now, but it will give you a general idea.



All prices are as of 15 June 2012.

This thread will help:

Go for the yamaha sz.good average,best style and a big company name.sz got it all

@antz.bin - Thanks a lot for the details. Your chart is pretty useful.

Here are my observations:
1. The prices here in Mumbai are about 3~3.5K more over the ones you've mentioned.
2. For 100~110CC I'm not looking for disc brake. Drums should be sufficient.
3. Does PWR really make a bike fast? I'm more looking at BHP, FE, saddle height, weight, gearbox, etc. Off course there is no compare with how one feels after a TR.

I will enter more details to my list and post it back when ready. It's still work in progress.

It looks like I'm tilting towards Bajaj D150 or D125ST. More so for resale, spares and after sales service.
I'm too skeptical about the above three parameters for TVS, Yamaha, Suzuki and Hero.

As I said, the prices are a few months old
Very few bikes even give you that option. The only 110cc bikes offered with Disc brakes (optional only) are Twister and Passsion XPro.
Power to weight ratio is simply power divided by weight. The bikes with high power and lower weight will top the PWR charts. Bikes with lower weight have less stuff to haul (apart from the rider which is constant), obviously they have a better chance of returning better FE. Aren't the bits in bold exactly what you need?

If you like to gun the throttle at each and every opportunity you get, the bikes with the highest PWR will excite you most. If however you are more the sedate kind of rider, the 150cc bikes (Discover / SZ-R / Achiever) would be a better bet. They will be easier to ride sedately though they might return *slightly* lower FE than 125/135cc bikes. But here too, the lighter bikes obviously will have the FE advantage. Anyways, when you TR all these bikes, you yourself will realize the exact same thing.

You missed the Discover 125 (2 valve) and Honda Twister.
If there is one thing Hero is good at, its resale. But that is true majorly for its 100cc commuters (Splendor, Passion, CD100, Dawn)

Re: 100/125/150 CC all welcome

To answer your PWR query : no, higher PWR doesn't guarantee a faster bike literally. All it means is that the bike can bear better loads and will deliver good power at all times. That's all. PWR is actually a deciding factor on bhp, Fe and the other stuff on the list in point number 3. Higher PWR means well engineered bike.

Also to address your worries on bulkiness of bikes : the rtr is not a bulky vehicle. It's not as light as the rx. But, none of the bikes you are looking at are that light either. In fact, the rtr is very light for its class, and just a tad bit heavier than the 125st. AND it has a maniac PWR.

Sent from my WT19i

If you're of small build, even the smaller discovers (100, 125 and 150; all except 125 ST) should be really comfortable for you to sit on. In that case, I think the best upgrade from RX-135 is the Discover 150. 12.75NM torque @ 5500 RPM, close ratio 5-speed gearbox and 13PS power. Nothing else moves and pulls the same within city conditions, not even the 125ST (which looses out on torque big time and is a higher revving engine meant more for top-end power than for torque). And compared to the ST it looses out on monoshock (which is overhyped), size (which I doubt matters for someone of 5' 5") but gains much fatter rear rubber.

PS: Comparing ANY bike with RX-135 directly would be plain unfair because its a bike that returns ~30kmpl - its only right to compare it with similar FE bikes; then you'd see the RX getting slapped around by the Duke.

The monoshock is not overyhyped, its just that its better than the others.
P.S: You last line made me laugh. Its funny but true

Nopes, that's not because the prices are old, that's because here we have octroi and higher tax. So that adds about 3-3.5K to your pricelist.
I'm not considering the D125 and Twister, and which is why I don't have them on my list.


hahaha... good one bro. But shouldn't we be comparing more on CC than on FE in this case? 135 v/s 200? :P Also, the low FE for RX is owing to the 2-stroke engine and the Duke gets a 4-stroke.


Yes, but I like your point about Discover 150. I think that's very VFM on the pricelist.


Thanks for the clarification. I will TR the RTR160 and see.

PS: I checked the price of the RTR and it's 68K ex-show Mumbai. Which will be somewhere like 76K + OTR. As much as I wish I could spend for a motorcycle, I don't want to go overboard because the usage is going to be very limited. So no point on spending on something that looks classy but is always in the parking lot. I hope you get what I mean.

Well, the ST doesn't come that cheap either! You're spending 3k more for the RTR compared to the ST. But that is speaking figuratively. In the long run, I would say based on your maintenance the ST might work out cheaper as Bajaj spares are cheaper. Personally I think if you SVC the RTR regularly and look after it well, you'll never have any problems with that either!

BUT, if you plan on looking at the discover150, then the RTR looses out on price! Either way, I feel the RTR is the most VFM of the lot. It comes with dual discs, amazing torque-y engine, killer looks, semi-sport riding position, superb combination of analog and digital console, a huge tank(pointing at the 16ltr capacity not the size :P ) and (surprisingly) a well engineered seat that looks at both rider and pillion comfort! What else can you ask for?

TR the vehicle. You'll see what I mean.

I'm sorry, I also noticed that you said it's not worth spending so much on something that looks classy just to keep it parked. I understand that emotion completely, but what I'm trying to put across is that you get something classy looking along with a load of quality characteristics that are vfm.

OT : I realize I'm speaking with a slight bias to the RTR, so I apologize for that!

It is indeed better, and I felt it myself to be sure. Just that you don't go around doing awesome cornering on public roads if life is important. And straight line stability of existing dual shocks is more than satisfactory. Plus, if cornering WAS a priority, the puny 3" rear tyre of the ST which happens to be a hard compound would play spoil sport. That would need an upgrade, further increasing the budget.

So when I say its overhyped, I mean paying 3.5k more for monoshock while compromising on torque and rear tyre size on a commuter is not justified. Atleast in my TR, I justified 3k extra because of significantly larger size of the ST (I feel cramped on small bikes), which wouldn't matter to the OP.

Nah displacement is not the end of the world really. Doubling displacement doesn't cost manufacturer double the money to manufacture (RE 350cc costs 1.25 lacs while Honda 250cc costs 1.6 lacs - how'd you explain that ?). For those who keep their bike for a long time or travel a lot (I shell out 3k/month to fill my 40kmpl bike), comparing FE makes sense (Duke being best bike under 35 FE, GS150R and Pulsar 150 being the best bikes under 55 FE, and so on), and for those travelling less (with fuel bills within 500rs/month), comparing OTR prices makes sense (So you compare ~60k bikes then Twister and Passion get pwned royally by Discover 150).

Even better, calculate total per-kilometer cost of ownership (purchase_price + fuel_prices_for_n_kilometers + maintenance_cost - selling_price_at_the_end_of_n_kilometers)/n where x is the years you keep the bike. But that is just way too much economics to handle

Oh, and just for amusement, when RXZ 5-Speed stopped selling (I guess the last 2-stroke to get the axe) it was priced similarly to the Pulsar 180 then in the market, whose price has proportionately increased with inflation today to 80.3k OTR Mumbai. At that price you also have the FZ16 and the Apache RTR-160. So that is where the competition is, for someone like you who travels 8km a day.


Its an underrated bike.



PS: to anyone who is viewing this thread, re-read this post with an open mind, as I risk being politically incorrect