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**Sarvajit** · 12-02-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

hehe...
Reason 1: Public Demand. Speak those words that people want to hear. Trying to become a manager from an engineer

Reason 2: A doctor never prescribes his own medicine.

That apart, I have ridden both the bikes and have seen closely how they adapt and perform in various situations. I know both the bikes pretty well and would say that all those who comment that the R15's ability to take bad roads is limited, have never tried it. The only thing that possibly troubled me on mountain trials (mind you, not bad roads, not no roads but rocky mountain paths) was probably the track based tires and the fellow riders say that I am being over cautious.

And it is not just me. A bunch of people have taken the R15 just anywhere they wanted to and have not heard of any problem, let alone breakdowns.

My first post sends the right message - the reason why I bought the R15 after waiting for over an year for the RTR Fi and after the RTR Fi launch and spending over 50% extra money - cash down.

Having said that, following are the only reasons why or why not I buy the P220:

WHY
1) Headlight

WHY NOT
1) Bench Seat
2) Bajaj's Unreliability. I wish they spend a part of the money they spend on their commercials in giving better quality parts too.

But then, many people here are v. good at maintaining their bikes and hence the unreliability part applies to old blokes like me. So, it is not about which one is more reliable and by how much margin. For most people it is about 'is it reliable enough or not'. The P220 seems to be reliable enough for most of the owners here. Hence, the public demand messages. When an R15 owner says to go for P220 there wouldn't be any brand wars igniting here.

To sign it off, the RTR 180 gives a very tough fight to both the R15 & the P220 in almost every department that is practically useful. And, to me, the ZMA-R still remains the king.

Remember - in a kingdom
>> The best warrior may become the general.
>> The wisest person may become the prime minister.
>> The most beautiful person may become the queen.
>> The most educated person may become the royal Laurette
>> The best technical guy can become the royal engineer/architect
...
...
>> Only the one with the best of all the abilities put together into one great efficient person can be the King.

For me, it is the ZMA-R.

scratch... scratch... scratch...
I hear some people scratching their heads now

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse anyone here.

Now you are speaking! I realized the same after offroading a number of times. As a matter of fact, I also was waiting for the RTR Fi, but ended up with the R15&I know it was the right thing to do for me atleast.
Speaking of the RTR 180, it is fabulous, but for the vibes, which I hope the 23 or 31 new changes will sort out soon enough.
Same reasons for discounting P220. I am not even an engineer!
ZMA is still the king no doubt.

**darkknight** · 12-02-2009, 04:55 PM

rightly said KP

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but yaa...for R15 going on non roads ...here's an example of my own bike...where we climbed a mountainous trekking trail on the R15 with stock tyres

ps:I disagree with you on the zima front

**HydBiker** · 12-02-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by darkknight View Post

ps:I disagree with you on the zima front

good fine print

You have only one other choice - the Unicorn.

If you don't know how to pick from the only choices in front of you, you are sure not married

**Priyatam** · 12-02-2009, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

If you don't know how to pick from the only choices in front of you, you are sure not married

That's one heck of a statement HydBiker. Not sure how true it is, but enjoyable

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**dineshsamtani** · 12-02-2009, 05:19 PM

@thread starter:- I am no expert on bikes but have taken a ride on both....
i would suggest find a couple of friends who own R15 or P220...take it for a ride and u will feel the difference, but only beyond 60-70 kmph.

R15 though 150cc feels so amazing when u are just zipping and swirling through the vehicles around you. And u can reach top speeds of 110-115 easily compared to other bikes.

Pulsar 220 on the other hand has power throughout. Amazing bike to ride and obviously the fastest indian bike

I would say go with ur instincts...ride the bikes and then decide....
If money not an issue, R15 for better styling, else P220

Cheers!!!
Dinesh

**Priyatam** · 12-02-2009, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by coolboy007 View Post

I guess that thing was said in a context that 220 generates lot more torque than R15 at lower revv range.
R15 is a high revving machine whereas 220 generates the power from word "Go"

Yes dude, you are 100% correct, I'm just trying to pull his leg

, you ruined the party

**ravi@17bhp** · 12-02-2009, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by HydBiker View Post

If you don't know how to pick from the only choices in front of you, you are sure not married

Lolz. So true!

Some thought-provoking (or Scratch-provoking) words from you about P220 and R-15. Oh yeah, the Zima too.

**TnT** · 12-02-2009, 10:35 PM

@Topic starter, what is the purpose of your starting this topic?

Originally posted by Shashankre View Post

The areas where R15 lags wrt to above points:
NO Value for Money.
NOT Comfortable over long rides
Top speed is lower than P220
P220 has brilliant straight line stability and performance.

Overall, i would rate P220 9/10 and R15 7/10.

I'd agree with the 2nd point that relatively its less comfortable over long rides. Hmm and how long will you ride at that top speed my friend? It's a few kmph more. But a point nonetheless.
To the rest of the points : LOL.

I'd agree that ZMA is the king, but the dude asked for an r15 / p220 comparo..! Ppl are hell bent on confusing poor souls...

**outworldly maniac** · 12-02-2009, 11:50 PM

hydbiker sir absolutely agree to all your statements there .

But isnt R15 suspension stiff ? .
I mean while offroading isnt it a bit bumpy .
And with a pillion its more stiffer , that how the suspension on R15 works as I heard .
For some people it is uncomfortable .

Yea ZMA - R is in no doubt a king .

**Addy43** · 12-12-2009, 07:34 PM

Dude you comparing an indian technology to that of a Japnese. (no offence)
Anyday R15. Ride them both back to back and you will know. Cheers
There's a saying" kuch paane ke liye kuch khona padta hai" You are wise

**moeed** · 12-13-2009, 03:30 AM

Test ride both the bikes and decide.

**lavs** · 12-13-2009, 02:19 PM

Dude .. if u got money to ge R15 I would suggest just go to the dealer right now and take it without second thoughts ..... I hv been on both 220 and r15 for gud time ..personally 220 is more of a machine with no thoughts put into it ... the air drag is pathetic .... engine from the eyes of a engineer is total catastrophe .... moreover the bajaj has not done enough work in their R&D for the bike's performance... MY 220 has done arnd 23k in 14 months and nearly everything big has been replaced ... its like the bike just sucks money out of my pocket ... and i shld tell you that I am thinking of getting a engine over hauling but the same stat yammy of my frnd has no probs at all altough since the r15 has an overtuned engine ... you have to get it regular serviced ... but thats with p220 too bcoz it cant handle the pressure too much ...
so i wld rate
quality r15 220
style 9 9
seating 9 10
engine 10 7
accn 9 7
long-duration 9 7

So i wld say go with the yamaha ....
but then again only my view rest all depends on u

cheers

**lavs** · 12-13-2009, 02:23 PM

Ohhh one more ver imp thing ... wat I hav is the 220 Fi .. but now u get the 220 with carburetor and that bike is not at all worth buying ... the paintjob is pathetic ... bajaj has just reduced the quality of the accessories jsut to make it cheaper ... the bike is having problems with long run and tours as the bajaj mechanics say ....

so more points for the yamaha
So deatiled description has made my mind think about changing mine to r15 too :P

**sheelpriye** · 12-13-2009, 02:55 PM

and a 4 valve P-220 might be around the corner, so there goes your resale...

**Bibhu** · 12-13-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by lavs View Post

Ohhh one more ver imp thing ... wat I hav is the 220 Fi .. but now u get the 220 with carburetor and that bike is not at all worth buying ... the paintjob is pathetic ... bajaj has just reduced the quality of the accessories jsut to make it cheaper ... the bike is having problems with long run and tours as the bajaj mechanics say ....

so more points for the yamaha
So deatiled description has made my mind think about changing mine to r15 too :P

Dude, in my unbiased opinion, If you have money to buy the R15 then test ride both bikes and make your decision. Both bikes are very good in their own rights.

The 220 is a street bike and does not claim to be anything else. It has very good performance and is value for money (Normal sense). It is great to ride on highways. I do 300 km runs on it every weekend and have never seen a problem. Any persisting problems have been taken care of by bajaj in the last six months. The only real problem I have is the fairing noise which is negligible. You also get good mileage if it matters to you.

R15 is THE track tool in India right now. It will help you learn racing. Marginally slower than the 220. Is good to ride on the street as attracts a lot of attention.
It is the most tech heavy bike in India.

As far as quality goes, the 220 has Indian quality levels. You will find a few nik naks, but nothing earth shattering. It DOES NOT have a bad paint job, in fact it actually has the best paint job in the bajaj stable.

R15 is yamaha. That is the last word in quality.

As for the quoted part, Sir, If you want to trounce something at least tell something concrete. I understand you are not happy with bajaj. However the reason the 220 dtsi is cheaper is that it does not have the FI. It has a new clutch which works like a charm, a bigger oil cooler, better lift cams. Rest of the Parts are the same as the dtsfi.

So how exactly did bajaj make the PARTS cheaper?

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