i do have a 220dtsi dude...but to be fair it does have its share of niggles...not problems but small minor niggles where we have to make a trip to pbk...obviously if you take care of your bike ,you wont have any major issues.

I got my P-180 V1 on 4th Nov '03,
the dts-i tech had just been released then, faced no issue till '06 and 25000kms

changed valves of Karizma when she turned 2 and kms clocked were around ~15K, faced few carb issues as well for first 7k kms

but it was me and my motorcycle

over 4 years a Honda(japs in particular) shall age better than bajaj, that is it, nothing more, nothing less and as anyone can figure out, nothing shall happen(in majority of cases) to a well maintained motorcycle by any manufacturer

Ultimately, again we are discussing the reliability of Bajaj, and I do not like to discuss. I am not telling that the engine of P135 will seize. I have seen many new generation P150s failing badly needing frequent service station visits. I have seen quite a few 220 owners who regularly visit PBK. I have seen a P220 whose carburettor came off, simply like that. It always overflows. We heard of P200 forks breaking under hard braking (initial issue only). I rode a P200 whose fairing vibrates too much.

And, most of the above problems can be taken care of but you need lot of patience to visit service stations, which everyone will not like.

With my experience, I would not dare to suggest a 'new' Bajaj product until the reliability is established over a period of time. I have seen leaking oil seals of new P135s and I still do not understand why Bajaj does not concentrate on quality parts. They always try to make cheaper bikes and never try to address the quality issues.

Regarding your Karizma, I do not want to comment. Mine has run 40k without any issues. There are issues with any bike, but we have to see how many bikes give problems out of 100.

I believe there is no need to discuss, as your signature says it all Thatha!

i agree with the point that bajaj does have issues regarding small things to major problems...i am beginning to believe that it depends on luck of the person and also the intensity of problems varies with different bikes.however when i had my zma i never had those small issues like my 220 is having now...for ex: who would expect the left switch console backlight would go kaput when it was exposed to a 20second rain??? mine did and just cause of warranty i had it replaced...but what if warranty has expired??i knw the spares and parts are cheap but why to deliberately pay for something which one shouldnt pay just cause of a company's manufacturing issues...??

i am not a loyalist to any brand...but i certainly dont wanna run to pbk all the time...simultaneously i want my bike to be atleast 90% perfect...since i have time in my hands now i am able to keep my bike 95% perfect all the time by not taking into consideration the number of visits to pbk or the amount am spending on the spares or labour etc because i am throughly enjoying the output my bike is giving me...however am sure that at a later point of time i would get fed up of going to svc all the time even though i take care and maintain my bike well that i might reconsider something which is more reliable...

bottom line is i wish bajaj would get serious in solving such silly problems and make a name in itself on par with other companies in reliability aspect.the power is great,mileage is great,looks are great but i may want a bike where i dont want any sudden surprises all the time

I do not have to enquire.. Since I have a dozen friends who own Pulsars.. some of them dont maintain it and some of them do.. And I know better than you being a owner and also with so many Pulsarians around me.

Dont think only your opinion is a opinion here. When opinions are exagerrated then ofcourse it will be questioned.

They need not be symbol of reliability. But its not as bad as you people advertise..

Okay boss! You win. You are most experienced than me. Everything what I wrote is an exaggeration. You questioned me, and I am answerless. Now, I will say, to please you,

Hail Bajaj! Hail Bajaj!
Bajaj is the symbol for Quality and Reliability.
I should always suggest a Bajaj bike.

Yup. Thanks..

Reliability cannot be measured on ownership experience alone. Nor can it be measured by particular example. It has to be measured on a larger samples like 100 or 1000 bikes over a period of time. Or lets say study 100 bikes each from different manufacturers over a period of time that are subjected to similar conditions and abuse.

Saying I had no major problem in the last 4 years but my friend had problems within a year etc. are not a good source to judge.

For one, I did almost 10k in six months. And I understand some would bearly do 10k in 2 or even 3 years. Meaning, I would do some 60k within 3 years, which roughly translates to six times more abused than one that does 10k in the same period. So it shouldn't be a surprise if my bike has more problem the the other.

Another thing is maintenance. Any well maintained machine will run for very long. There are ww2 era machines in good running condition .

So by and large, through several feedbacks from hundreds of people who have been using motorcycles, be it Bajaj or Honda for several years, when both machines are subjected to the same amount of abuse, It is reasonably accepted that Honda is a more reliable machine than the Bajaj.

In conclusion. If one decides to go for the p135 and prepared to maintain it well, it will take you beyond your requirement and p135 have that little extra power. Same case for stunner without that little extra power.
If you have no time for maintenance, both will suffer, though stunner has better chance to last longer and perhaps will give a peace of mind.

Lookwise, I would say stunner has the edge. But its up to you.

I had mentioned it clearly

@ravi--follow your sign dude
@kaya-- well said

I stepped aside to keep the forum healthy. Otherwise, it leads to another war with Bajaj worshippers. Now, I see the discussion is leading the same path.

Kaynmantis, well put words.

Yes!

@kaya: Beautifully said.... Just the same in my mind which I was unable to put up..

Wow.. I don't understand your problem here.. I was expressing my opinion.. and why are you questioning it!!! and what are you doing in this forum after this post.. questioning everybody's opinion??? It's obvious from your posts that you don't like Bajaj products as a whole!!

You grossly misunderstood my comment. I only meant to say there is nothing to compare between Pulsar 135 and Stunner apart from price point. Performance wise Pulsar 135 LS certainly beats the pants of poooor Stunner. Heck.. it beats even the Unicorn,,, so why can't I say poor stunner can't compete with Pulsar 135 in terms of performance?? and who are you to question my opinion.. I was not deriding Stunner.. just saying it can't compete.. it's just 11 bhp machine.. game's over even before you say start. nobody asks whether I should buy a Pulsar 150 or RTR180, because they are miles apart. This should make sense to you!! People like you make big scene out of even the smallest problem a Pulsar gets... If Pulsars or Bajaj products are so unreliable.. people will not buy them.. Ravi@17bhp need not go around with a trumpet for that! the fact that most of the 125cc+ category buyers go for Bajaj products speaks for itself. Just come up with some facts, don't just say that old crap of honda quality, reliability.. and so on.. we've been listening to it for so long.. and then bought Pulsars for ourselves. And finally to answer your point.. just compare saddle heights Stunner & p135.. then tell me why should anybody feel cramper on this bike, which does have commuterish seating posture..

^^^ hold your horses buddy.
He did not criticise you or your opinion. Why are YOU making such a scene out of it? It is you who's speaking offensive and it is you who's criticising people or product directly and not just opinionating. This is not popcorn stuff anymore.

At least in India and at least before buying bikes and atleast a majority of people consider bikes in different segments with each other. Call it what ever but that's a fact. If you don't, it does not mean that the whole world doesn't.

As you said, if the products are good no one needs to go around and trumpet that as a fact. One need not trumpet about his favourite product's reliability. It is there to see and the prospective customer will pick up his own point of view.

If saddle heights can tell you how high or cramped a bike is (or) if the peak power output can tell how good the engine's power delivery and driveability is, there is no need of the word 'research & development'. It can simply be called 'design'.

And, BTW, oil leak from a new engine is not a small problem or a niggle. Some would actually like to call it a property by design. It is a feature indeed. Just like the Blue Screen of Death in Windows - by design.

First, I have not spoken of Honda at all.
Second, I have not criticized your opinion or you.
Third, I never showed any disrespect to P135 or Bajaj, as you showed.

The power of P135 has kicked off all your senses that you cant read and understand properly. In fact, I love Bajaj and I hate Honda. Even if I tell you why, you will not understand because you senses are not working.

Though it is a waste attempt, I would like to tell you, do not ridicule or show disrespect to other bikes. Because you own P135, it does not make it perfect in every aspect. Grow up and show maturiy and speak properly on the forum.

Ultimately, you are the one with big trumpet who made all the noise.