[NEWS INDIA]: KTM Duke 200: Review out on xBhp very soon!!!! - Page 11 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

GHoSt220 · 11-10-2011, 11:10 AM

We should not forget that the Duke has got a 150 section

rear rubber which would heavily attract masses including posers.

Most of the people I know have chosen Fazer over R15 beacuae of the rear tire

.

RanjithMN · 11-10-2011, 11:31 AM

Just like the FZ took the Naked styling to a whole new level the DUKE has also done it.Its radical,fresh and rare and that definitely makes it more appealing to the general mass than the Fully Faired bikes,I kinda hope its slightly more premium so that posers wont buy it :P

Himalayan Rider · 11-10-2011, 12:05 PM

Should be a very good bike for Indian City road conditions and weekend touring..

lockhrt999 · 11-10-2011, 12:19 PM

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.

Look at Renault, Fluence is selling merely at ~ 100 units per month and that translated as big flop. They thought bragging about F1 success and their inventions through newspapers will make brand successful, but they went wrong. On the other hand, have a look at the success of VW, Within a year of launch, less priced Vento is selling as much units(~4000) as multi JP-power award winner Honda City with having less than 1/3rd Showroom/service coverage area on the hand (It even once sold 4 times units than ANHC).

95% of R15 owners - who are not xbhp members - bought R15 just because it was very great to look at (bling effect) and it was Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha products ask for premium because they can, on the other hand Hero, Bajaj, Maruti etc,. are here to cater the masses. And sometimes over-priced premium products like Kizashi from a non-premium company, utterly fail.

We xbhpians - technical dudes

- do acknowledge and appreciate the potential of duke 200 but we're not even 1% of total customers who might feel like buying a KTM. The rest of the KTM customers don't understand our language. They know it's just 200cc ,which won't do more 35 KMPL and non-faired. They would think it as astoundingly priced even at 1.3 L.

Let's be rational guys, Bajaj-KTM don't have many things in the plate that those 99% other customers feel any need of. Think of the other way, it will be (almost) localized bike which saves some money, no-fairing which saves another 10-15 grands, lightness which means less metal went into for producing so the cost is minimized to a great extent.

This bike is targeted towards youngsters or those who fill young by heart. Average 'young' Joe starts earning good very late to own this bike on his own. I think not all parents would pay hefty amount for 200cc bike which potentially looks like a stunt bike. Typical Indian mentality is Heaviness = very rugged = best suitable for Indian roads and this is where duke looks delicate (only we know it's opposite)

We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

Boon · 11-10-2011, 12:20 PM

My next buy...I will book it on december...Am so happy that due to my university exam,i did not book any bike after selling my R165...Special thanks to PAYENG bhai :-)

payeng · 11-10-2011, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockhrt999

We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

I would actually like the price to be a bit higher.. making it "affordable" would kind of defeat the very reason why I am being attracted by the KTM 200 Duke.

The "non-xbhp" / "mass" (who don't know about KTM) not buying?
Perfect..!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by RanjithMN

Just like the FZ took the Naked styling to a whole new level the DUKE has also done it.Its radical,fresh and rare and that definitely makes it more appealing to the general mass than the Fully Faired bikes,I kinda hope its slightly more premium so that posers wont buy it :P

Kind of have similar opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon

My next buy...I will book it on december...Am so happy that due to my university exam,i did not book any bike after selling my R165...Special thanks to PAYENG bhai :-)

Thanks.. but what did I do Boon..??

antz.bin · 11-10-2011, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockhrt999

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.

Look at Renault, Fluence is selling merely at ~ 100 units per month and that translated as big flop. They thought bragging about F1 success and their inventions through newspapers will make brand successful, but they went wrong. On the other hand, have a look at the success of VW, Within a year of launch, less priced Vento is selling as much units(~4000) as multi JP-power award winner Honda City with having less than 1/3rd Showroom/service coverage area on the hand (It even once sold 4 times units than ANHC).

95% of R15 owners - who are not xbhp members - bought R15 just because it was very great to look at (bling effect) and it was Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha products ask for premium because they can, on the other hand Hero, Bajaj, Maruti etc,. are here to cater the masses. And sometimes over-priced premium products like Kizashi from a non-premium company, utterly fail.

We xbhpians - technical dudes

- do acknowledge and appreciate the potential of duke 200 but we're not even 1% of total customers who might feel like buying a KTM. The rest of the KTM customers don't understand our language. They know it's just 200cc ,which won't do more 35 KMPL and non-faired. They would think it as astoundingly priced even at 1.3 L.

Let's be rational guys, Bajaj-KTM don't have many things in the plate that those 99% other customers feel any need of. Think of the other way, it will be (almost) localized bike which saves some money, no-fairing which saves another 10-15 grands, lightness which means less metal went into for producing so the cost is minimized to a great extent.

This bike is targeted towards youngsters or those who fill young by heart. Average 'young' Joe starts earning good very late to own this bike on his own. I think not all parents would pay hefty amount for 200cc bike which potentially looks like a stunt bike. Typical Indian mentality is Heaviness = very rugged = best suitable for Indian roads and this is where duke looks delicate (only we know it's opposite)

We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

With all these cars coming into the discussion... Why not bring in the XUV too? Maybe they will price it just above the existing (single cylinder) flagship and kill the higher priced competition almost like Scorpio, XUV combo. That way, the Duke 200 should be priced at around <1.1lac OTR or below R15v1.

P.S.: Fluence, Kizashi flopping and Vento doing well against the City have entirely different reasons. And beyond the scope of this thread. Also it doesn't take a 'technical guy' to read a brochure and see the number written against 'Power'.

RanjithMN · 11-10-2011, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockhrt999

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.
.....

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

I actually belive it will be an Instant hit if its priced around 1.3L.Its true that the general mass is crazy about fully faired bikes but then that isnt the case anymore.When did the fully faired love break out?it was back when Dhoom came out and we dint have a fully faired bike then,now we have plenty and the love isnt the same anymore.Look at what the FZ did,a proper Naked bike still has a huge taking and if you look around a good no. of the general mass have already fallen for the DUKE.the concept pics were well received.Almost every casual commuter i know have fallen for the DUKE.
Also remember that stunting is growing very much here right now people are crazy to mod their bike to resemble a stunt bike so i really believe this will be a hit @1.3-1.4L

mansuryayas · 11-10-2011, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockhrt999

There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about.

Look at Renault, Fluence is selling merely at ~ 100 units per month and that translated as big flop. They thought bragging about F1 success and their inventions through newspapers will make brand successful, but they went wrong. On the other hand, have a look at the success of VW, Within a year of launch, less priced Vento is selling as much units(~4000) as multi JP-power award winner Honda City with having less than 1/3rd Showroom/service coverage area on the hand (It even once sold 4 times units than ANHC).

95% of R15 owners - who are not xbhp members - bought R15 just because it was very great to look at (bling effect) and it was Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha products ask for premium because they can, on the other hand Hero, Bajaj, Maruti etc,. are here to cater the masses. And sometimes over-priced premium products like Kizashi from a non-premium company, utterly fail.

We xbhpians - technical dudes

- do acknowledge and appreciate the potential of duke 200 but we're not even 1% of total customers who might feel like buying a KTM. The rest of the KTM customers don't understand our language. They know it's just 200cc ,which won't do more 35 KMPL and non-faired. They would think it as astoundingly priced even at 1.3 L.

Let's be rational guys, Bajaj-KTM don't have many things in the plate that those 99% other customers feel any need of. Think of the other way, it will be (almost) localized bike which saves some money, no-fairing which saves another 10-15 grands, lightness which means less metal went into for producing so the cost is minimized to a great extent.

This bike is targeted towards youngsters or those who fill young by heart. Average 'young' Joe starts earning good very late to own this bike on his own. I think not all parents would pay hefty amount for 200cc bike which potentially looks like a stunt bike. Typical Indian mentality is Heaviness = very rugged = best suitable for Indian roads and this is where duke looks delicate (only we know it's opposite)

We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at.

Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread.

100% agree with what you ave to say sir, and I think that the 1.2 - 1.3 L will be a sweet spot for pricing the bike as it will fall in between the R15 and CBR Non ABS

HarishK · 11-10-2011, 03:08 PM

If the Duke is priced between 1.3 to 1.5 for sure it will find more Heads than the Ninja 250 or CBR 250.

When I asked about the CBR, Majority ppl said Big no to CBR, for various reasons like Waiting period, quality issues, Dull Looks etc etc and No to Ninja 250 due to the Price tag.

Duke 200 will the best intermediate between R15 and a 250CC. I hope fairing isn't a big decision factor for buying a bike. FZ and P220S are still selling good when they have Fazer and P220F.

But the big question here is, will it be priced between 1.3 to 1.5 Lacs and will the engine remain the same or detuned (Upto my Knowledge it is De-tuned)

11-10-2011, 11:10 AM	#101 (permalink)
GHoSt220 ┼●§Þëëðy Göñzä£ë§●┼ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kolkata Posts: 93	We should not forget that the Duke has got a 150 section rear rubber which would heavily attract masses including posers. Most of the people I know have chosen Fazer over R15 beacuae of the rear tire. __________________ Fear The Black

11-10-2011, 11:31 AM	#102 (permalink)
RanjithMN tuned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Cochin/Riyadh,KSA Posts: 2,887	Just like the FZ took the Naked styling to a whole new level the DUKE has also done it.Its radical,fresh and rare and that definitely makes it more appealing to the general mass than the Fully Faired bikes,I kinda hope its slightly more premium so that posers wont buy it :P __________________ Smoke rubber,not tobacco. -Life Through-the-Lens -For HELLA/VALEO [BMW/AUDI/FORD/LINCOLN/SKODA],P220,Aftermarket Projectors,pls contact me!

11-10-2011, 12:19 PM	#104 (permalink)
lockhrt999 LicenseD to ReV HarD Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 870	There won't be many takers if they price it above 1.3 (on the road). It's not a fully faired bike. In general perception, Honda is a bigger brand and CBR is a fully faired bike, which is considered as bling-bling in India. Duke 200 surely won't have top speed similar to CBR as it isn't fully-faired. We sure do like Duke's design but for the rest of the India it's kinda hate it or love it. Most of them, power to weight ratio doesn't matter and KTM is an unknown brand. They aren't Jap or Italian to brag about. Look at Renault, Fluence is selling merely at ~ 100 units per month and that translated as big flop. They thought bragging about F1 success and their inventions through newspapers will make brand successful, but they went wrong. On the other hand, have a look at the success of VW, Within a year of launch, less priced Vento is selling as much units(~4000) as multi JP-power award winner Honda City with having less than 1/3rd Showroom/service coverage area on the hand (It even once sold 4 times units than ANHC). 95% of R15 owners - who are not xbhp members - bought R15 just because it was very great to look at (bling effect) and it was Yamaha. Honda and Yamaha products ask for premium because they can, on the other hand Hero, Bajaj, Maruti etc,. are here to cater the masses. And sometimes over-priced premium products like Kizashi from a non-premium company, utterly fail. We xbhpians - technical dudes - do acknowledge and appreciate the potential of duke 200 but we're not even 1% of total customers who might feel like buying a KTM. The rest of the KTM customers don't understand our language. They know it's just 200cc ,which won't do more 35 KMPL and non-faired. They would think it as astoundingly priced even at 1.3 L. Let's be rational guys, Bajaj-KTM don't have many things in the plate that those 99% other customers feel any need of. Think of the other way, it will be (almost) localized bike which saves some money, no-fairing which saves another 10-15 grands, lightness which means less metal went into for producing so the cost is minimized to a great extent. This bike is targeted towards youngsters or those who fill young by heart. Average 'young' Joe starts earning good very late to own this bike on his own. I think not all parents would pay hefty amount for 200cc bike which potentially looks like a stunt bike. Typical Indian mentality is Heaviness = very rugged = best suitable for Indian roads and this is where duke looks delicate (only we know it's opposite) We can drag tech spec, performance all day long but when it comes to pricing we need to look at this aspect through those 99% 'other' non-technical customers' perspective. Bajaj has invested with upper hand in KTM(literally). To get that money back the only key is selling this bike in large volumes. And only way to get there is to keep pricing considerably low. We all know this is where Bajaj is really good at. Let's not exaggerated the pricing. Bajaj is reading this thread. __________________ It's always brainy to go with the heart.™ - DIY Another day: Upgrading the headlight and pilots of Pulsar. Tomorrow Never DIYs: Safest and easiest way to tune the AFR

11-10-2011, 12:20 PM	#105 (permalink)
Boon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chennai,Tripura(Agartala) Posts: 147	My next buy...I will book it on december...Am so happy that due to my university exam,i did not book any bike after selling my R165...Special thanks to PAYENG bhai :-) __________________ #Previously owned- •YAMAHA RX100 •TVS FIERO F2 •YAMAHA R165 #Current- •None #After two months- •KTM Duke 200 or CBR 150R R15 lovers and newbie can join- http://www.facebook.com/teamr15 MY FB ID- https://www.facebook.com/shining.neptune

11-10-2011, 03:08 PM	#110 (permalink)
HarishK Professional Whistler Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chennai Posts: 371	If the Duke is priced between 1.3 to 1.5 for sure it will find more Heads than the Ninja 250 or CBR 250. When I asked about the CBR, Majority ppl said Big no to CBR, for various reasons like Waiting period, quality issues, Dull Looks etc etc and No to Ninja 250 due to the Price tag. Duke 200 will the best intermediate between R15 and a 250CC. I hope fairing isn't a big decision factor for buying a bike. FZ and P220S are still selling good when they have Fazer and P220F. But the big question here is, will it be priced between 1.3 to 1.5 Lacs and will the engine remain the same or detuned (Upto my Knowledge it is De-tuned) __________________ https://www.facebook.com/harishtheboss

11-10-2011, 12:05 PM	#103 (permalink)
Himalayan Rider Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Lucknow Posts: 52	Should be a very good bike for Indian City road conditions and weekend touring..

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