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  • rx100.7050
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    haan toh chill... It's just that India is cost sensitive market. I am certainly not downplaying Fi. I am way too happy with my bike & even brag about that mine's Fi

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  • ashish33us
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    Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
    Yaar... for cold start, do you think non Fi owners go to Service Centre everytime??? Arrey bhai mere... Fi owners will push start the button & the bike will come to life. Non fi woners may have push the button few more time but eventually they will start. They mey have to give throttle input too while keeping in idle when starting up. That's it/ Only & only in case of extreme cold, it might get tough.
    It's as simple
    Diesel car costs more than petrol. Only & only if the user thinks he can get better value in long run (read avg monthly use quite high) in comparison to the extra money he is giving over the petrol variant upfront, he will buy a Diesel car. Clear.

    If the Fi can prove to provide much more mileage & other factors then it has a value add in long term.

    It's not downplaying Fi system right away.

    Dada Thanks for the information. I m not saying that i have to go to mechanincs for cold start (I have a Pulsar 150 and i have never ever faced any problem in Delhi with Cold start). I mean to say that as per me i think a carb need regular tuning as i have had in my case with my pulsar 150 as compared to a FI version of the bike.

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  • men_in_jean
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    The only drawback I felt on the FI is that it makes *some* dependent only on the authorized SVC's mainly when it comes to servicing the bike. Even if the SVC is worst on their job, the options to lookout becomes less.. sometimes none.

    I know that not all the issues we get on a bike is only on the engine which needs SVC'c help. The practicality is that while we give the bike for service is when we tend to list most of the issues. So the listing of issues mainly happens on the SVC's and we feel helpless when those are not addressed.

    Whereas in a carb, we say a goodbye to the SVC forever and find an alternate(May be even a local mech). Just my opinion.
    Last edited by men_in_jean; 03-09-2012, 06:00 PM.

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  • rx100.7050
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    Originally posted by ashish33us View Post
    But for me Dada power delivery is more important and with FI i will also get added advantage of cold start and less rounds to the mechanincs.
    Yaar... for cold start, do you think non Fi owners go to Service Centre everytime??? Arrey bhai mere... Fi owners will push start the button & the bike will come to life. Non fi woners may have push the button few more time but eventually they will start. They mey have to give throttle input too while keeping in idle when starting up. That's it/ Only & only in case of extreme cold, it might get tough.
    It's as simple
    Diesel car costs more than petrol. Only & only if the user thinks he can get better value in long run (read avg monthly use quite high) in comparison to the extra money he is giving over the petrol variant upfront, he will buy a Diesel car. Clear.

    If the Fi can prove to provide much more mileage & other factors then it has a value add in long term.

    It's not downplaying Fi system right away.

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  • ashish33us
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    Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
    True but you know what? If manufacturer comes with non Fi version giving same mileage as Fi, people & even me & you will go with non Fi since the price of the bike is low. It's upto manufacturer how they can come up with an Fi bike giving much better mieage to the bike when compared to non fi.
    Advantages of cold start & linear power delivery is something secondary feature.

    But for me Dada power delivery is more important and with FI i will also get added advantage of cold start and less rounds to the mechanincs.

    also your travel log is just great i am loving it i have read it a month back and again today reading them and feeling the same excitment. (Short Honeymoon trip & Swarghat)

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  • Alibaba
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    Originally posted by AKAlOgAN View Post
    Am i missing something why people would down play the role of FI on a bike. They do provide excellent fuelling, don't they and thats why in other *read developed* markets FI is the norm.
    Just for your info, Kawasaki Ninja 250R sold in the US is a carbed version whereas the one sold in Europe and India is an FI version. Is US not a *developed* market?

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  • sayank10
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    Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
    Advantages of cold start & linear power delivery is something secondary feature.
    cold start is kinda head-ache to me,so for me mileage is secondary.
    for tourers high altitude hassle free riding must be priority.
    Last edited by sayank10; 03-09-2012, 05:43 PM.

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  • rx100.7050
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    Originally posted by ashish33us View Post
    Ya i agree with you Dada that's why i was saying in my earlier posts that a FI is a must in modern days bikes. Specially bikes over 150cc like Pulsar 200ns
    True but you know what? If manufacturer comes with non Fi version giving same mileage as Fi, people & even me & you will go with non Fi since the price of the bike is low. It's upto manufacturer how they can come up with an Fi bike giving much better mieage to the bike when compared to non fi.
    Advantages of cold start & linear power delivery is something secondary feature.

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  • ashish33us
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    Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
    Bhai saab, nobody is downplaying. You did just 18000 kms. I did 64000kms with out any problem wrt to fuelling part. Mormal wear tear is just like any P220. I don't face cold start problem even in Delhi winters. People taking Fi bikes to up in Leh face less problem than the non Fi counterparts.
    They only "disadvantage" is high initial cost, that's it. Chill man.

    Ya i agree with you Dada that's why i was saying in my earlier posts that a FI is a must in modern days bikes. Specially bikes over 150cc like Pulsar 200ns

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  • rx100.7050
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    Originally posted by AKAlOgAN View Post
    Am i missing something why people would down play the role of FI on a bike. They do provide excellent fuelling, don't they and thats why in other *read developed* markets FI is the norm.

    The only more cost that I see is the initial, I have not faced a single issue with my Fi in the past 18000K run.
    Bhai saab, nobody is downplaying. You did just 18000 kms. I did 64000kms with out any problem wrt to fuelling part. Mormal wear tear is just like any P220. I don't face cold start problem even in Delhi winters. People taking Fi bikes to up in Leh face less problem than the non Fi counterparts.
    They only "disadvantage" is high initial cost, that's it. Chill man.

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  • sayank10
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    Originally posted by AKAlOgAN View Post
    Am i missing something why people would down play the role of FI on a bike.
    .
    welcome to cost-sensitive market.

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  • AKAlOgAN
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    Am i missing something why people would down play the role of FI on a bike. They do provide excellent fuelling, don't they and thats why in other *read developed* markets FI is the norm.

    The only more cost that I see is the initial, I have not faced a single issue with my Fi in the past 18000K run.

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  • rx100.7050
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    My reply

    Originally posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    @Nav
    Since the 200 is still in testing phase i have some queries...

    1) By installing a FI unit will the bike see a rise in power or it might go downside?? - Can't say as with Fi, 220 is 20 BHP whereas w/o Fi 220 is 21 BHP. It's more how they want to tune the bike.

    2) Bajaj is in this league from quite sometime now, do they plan to give some premium service with the 200 or not??

    No, I don't think it will be getting premium servicing. I don't see the need too, frankly man. It's for the masses, right? Pulsar will cater to masses whereas Ninja & KTM would be for the niche.

    Premium service means the one given to Ninja 250 owners, they have a special way out regarding spares and repairs so is it the same for the 200?? or just the way it is currently.
    But do expect a much better vfm since new P200 will be sharing the major part of the engine character as of Duke, meaning good quality.

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  • Eshan-P180
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    @Nav
    Since the 200 is still in testing phase i have some queries...

    1) By installing a FI unit will the bike see a rise in power or it might go downside??
    2) Bajaj is in this league from quite sometime now, do they plan to give some premium service with the 200 or not??

    Premium service means the one given to Ninja 250 owners, they have a special way out regarding spares and repairs so is it the same for the 200?? or just the way it is currently.

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  • sayank10
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    Originally posted by nav75 View Post
    Can I please suggest something? Try to control posting in each and every topic. Its just a suggestion.
    suggestion ignored.
    Originally posted by nav75 View Post
    Coming to the point of "servicing" a FI vehicle:
    ~8,500km's on R15 (I think 3-4 servicing) and ~15,000km's in a car (3 servicing). I don't recall the mechanic even touching the fueling system's h/w. I know its just a little bit of exp with FI vehicles. May be someone with a longer ownership exp with FI vehicles can share his exp.

    Whereas over the lakh's of km's on my carb bikes, in almost each servicing the mechanic has opened the carb for cleaning. To me, that's adding cost to "servicing".

    Yes, may be in a long run (a lakh km's?) the injectors could need replacement. But that's not part of "servicing", its part of "long term maintenance".
    may be i am wrong.my experience is completely based on a fi and a non-fi stunner's servicing at honda.

    i guess long term maintenance does include servicing.

    p.s. stop tail-gating me.

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