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  • #76
    Wow! Old Fox sir has nailed it.

    PS: For everyone going to this as a event do remember
    Nav has as many KMs under his big fat arse as probably your age x your odo reading.
    Sagar, Roger, have honed thier skills BIG time at Lavasa, and ofcourse at CSS.
    What these guys are doing is brilliant to watch, and like OF said is the correct techinque but is easier said than done. Do not attempt this without proper guidance and support. Lavasa is NOT a place for newbies to try this. Rather head to a controlled environment where the risk is minimal!


    Edit: Do remember (for your own benefit) that amongst all the variables in motorcycling, one of the most dominant variable is the Rider himself. Whats your entry speed, may not be mine, the point where you brake before you dip, may not be same as mine, How much you lean, may not be the same as mine, what seems like an apex to you, may not be for me. So appart from safely concluding that am a bonafide retard, it also means that every one needs to strive a balance between the theory and the practical. So when Nav does something, he does it to his comfort level which is 'least risky' to his style of riding. When Roger and others are doing it they are doing it in the 'most effecient' way to suit thier style of riding.

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    • #77
      Who All coming: (add the name to the following list)
      From Pune
      Nav75
      Niks
      Rony
      Alok Das - Inflammable
      ROCKRZ
      Shrinath rao
      vivekjayasheel
      Sumit_B
      vrathor
      rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
      Meghnad
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      • #78
        Wow...all these discussions are making me kind of nostalgic good to see all the "sensible" discussions progressing with the utmost decorum. I would also love to attend the live demo at Lavasa.
        @Nav75: please do post the confirmed date and time when you can.

        Ritwik.

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        • #79
          Who All coming: (add the name to the following list)
          From Pune
          Nav75
          Niks
          Rony
          Alok Das - Inflammable
          ROCKRZ
          Shrinath rao
          vivekjayasheel
          Sumit_B
          vrathor
          rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
          Meghnad
          Vivek
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          • #80
            Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
            Nav has as many KMs under his big fat arse as probably your age x your odo reading.
            Thanks for kind words. But you forget to add (divide by 100) to the equation.
            Normally, I don't believe in number of km's but sometimes the number do speak.

            Originally posted by ritwik23 View Post
            I would also love to attend the live demo at Lavasa.
            @Nav75: please do post the confirmed date and time when you can.

            Ritwik.
            I think you are one of the riders, whom we are looking fwd to see give us demo.
            As the normal tradition goes, the time will be early in morning. (Someone regular in the riding meets can post the rules, etc).
            The date, as I mentioned, is upto the availability of you guys, who will be helping us with the technique. As I see from the comments, Sunday seems to be more preferred. But, I'll wait until those who will help us, can confirm their availability.
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            • #81
              Wow...all these discussions are making me kind of nostalgic good to see all the "sensible" discussions progressing with the utmost decorum. I would also love to attend the live demo at Lavasa.
              @Nav75: please do post the confirmed date and time when you can.

              Ritwik.

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              • #82
                Who All coming: (add the name to the following list)
                From Pune
                Nav75
                Niks
                Rony
                Alok Das - Inflammable
                ROCKRZ
                Shrinath rao
                vivekjayasheel
                Sumit_B
                vrathor
                rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
                Meghnad
                Vivek
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by nav75 View Post
                  Thanks for kind words. But you forget to add (divide by 100) to the equation.
                  Normally, I don't believe in number of km's but sometimes the number do speak.


                  I think you are one of the riders, whom we are looking fwd to see give us demo.
                  As the normal tradition goes, the time will be early in morning. (Someone regular in the riding meets can post the rules, etc).
                  The date, as I mentioned, is upto the availability of you guys, who will be helping us with the technique. As I see from the comments, Sunday seems to be more preferred. But, I'll wait until those who will help us, can confirm their availability.
                  Sunday is a good one but expect lots of traffic from visitors having time at lavasa.
                  I suggest a saturday - Roger & Ritwik usually go on these days, i myself find Saturday to be quite good and less with traffic til 8 or 9am till Lavasa Maintenance crew show up on their Mahindra pick ups...

                  Again iam just suggesting this out of experience...

                  Who All coming: (add the name to the following list)
                  From Pune
                  Nav75
                  Niks
                  Rony
                  Alok Das - Inflammable
                  ROCKRZ
                  Shrinath rao
                  vivekjayasheel
                  Sumit_B
                  vrathor
                  rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
                  Meghnad
                  Vivek
                  Siddharth_zmr
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by nav75 View Post
                    I think you are one of the riders, whom we are looking fwd to see give us demo.
                    As the normal tradition goes, the time will be early in morning. (Someone regular in the riding meets can post the rules, etc).
                    The date, as I mentioned, is upto the availability of you guys, who will be helping us with the technique. As I see from the comments, Sunday seems to be more preferred. But, I'll wait until those who will help us, can confirm their availability.
                    I look forward to it bro. I propose that we set it up for the 7th of January. This being a Saturday, there should be very little traffic early in the morning and we can all do out thing without too many interruptions. Would request you to post a ride plan with time as 6:30am at CC. this will give us plenty of time to get to Lavasa and play around on the heavenly curves that the holy grounds have to offer. Will coordinate with Roger/Sagar/Mithilesh/TehHut regarding the same.

                    Till then,
                    Ciao.

                    Ritwik.

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                    • #85
                      Updated the list as couple of names were missed.

                      Who All coming: (add the name to the following list)
                      From Pune
                      Nav75
                      Niks
                      Rony
                      Alok Das - Inflammable
                      ROCKRZ
                      Shrinath rao
                      vivekjayasheel
                      Sumit_B
                      vrathor
                      rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
                      Meghnad
                      Ritwik23
                      Eshan P180
                      Vivek
                      Siddharth_zmr
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                      • #86
                        Also can some kind soul video document the demos and tips as it would be of immense help to those who cannot attend and also those who attended but want to have a relook ... I know I am asking for too much here but can someone really do it ?
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                        • #87
                          Agenda: If you have ever came down a downhill hairpin bend and used your brakes, while in the corner, to slow down. This is one session that you "MUST" attend to learn how not to brake while in the corner, instead how to keep accelerating on the throttle.

                          This is even important to attend, as you can't learn it in CSS. As in India, while at CSS you can learn the theory, to see it in action we don't have any downhill hairpin bend on the race track.

                          What we will learn?
                          - How to slow down using brake and/or engine braking before entering the turn. While the bike is still upright.
                          - How not to touch the brake once in the turn.
                          - How to keep on accelerating on the throttle, through the turn.
                          All this, at left as well as right downhill hairpin bends. Without crossing over into the opposite lane.

                          Sport riders or commuters or tourers, this is one session that will benefit everyone.

                          When & Where: Group assembles at Chandani Chowk by 06:15am and leaves by 06:30AM, 7th Jan 2012 (Sat) [As confirmed by Ritwik]
                          The date can be confirmed when the riders who will share the technique with us are available. Let's wait to get a confirmation on the availability of TenHut and atleast one of Ritwik/Roger/Sagar/Gamer (as suggested by TenHut).

                          Who All coming: (add the name to the following list)
                          From Pune
                          Nav75
                          Niks
                          Rony
                          Alok Das - Inflammable
                          ROCKRZ
                          Shrinath rao
                          vivekjayasheel
                          Sumit_B
                          vrathor
                          rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
                          Meghnad
                          Ritwik23
                          Eshan P180
                          Vivek
                          Siddharth_zmr

                          PS: This is my first such post(initiating a meet). Hence, don't know how its done but if someone can invite riders from Mumbai also to join.

                          PS2: Standard rules regarding safety gear and documents to be followed.


                          Originally posted by Rony View Post
                          Also can some kind soul video document the demos and tips as it would be of immense help to those who cannot attend and also those who attended but want to have a relook ... I know I am asking for too much here but can someone really do it ?
                          Nothing like a video capturing how things are done. Will try to get my equipment (people knowing my historical record, will say "stuff clicked by me are as good as not clicked" ). Others, who can, also get their stuff.
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                          • #88
                            Who All coming: (add the name to the following list)
                            From Pune
                            1. Nav75
                            2. Niks
                            3. Alok Das - Inflammable
                            4. ROCKRZ
                            5. Shrinath rao
                            6. vivekjayasheel
                            7. Sumit_B
                            8. vrathor
                            9. rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
                            10. Meghnad
                            11. Ritwik23
                            12. Eshan P180
                            13. Vivek
                            14. Siddharth_zmr


                            From Mumbai
                            1. Rony (tentative if Saturday / confirmed if Sunday)

                            Originally posted by nav75 View Post
                            Nothing like a video capturing how things are done. Will try to get my equipment (people knowing my historical record, will say "stuff clicked by me are as good as not clicked" ). Others, who can, also get their stuff.
                            Ok thanks.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by shrinathrao View Post
                              Are sir, It came in my mind due to the sticky tyres of R15, as i had done mid corner corrections many times in mid corner at prasarni and khambakti ghats.
                              Originally posted by niranjanvaidya View Post
                              What do you really mean by mid corner corrections? can you elaborate for the benefit of the battalion at war?
                              Originally posted by shrinathrao View Post
                              Like i am midway of an corner and suddenly i realise i am fast and i will leave my lane and go on other lane so i apply a bit of rear brakes and if required downshift and maintain my lane though i loose my lean angle, which i can do on R15 easily, tried with cbz and pulsar 150 but it was not giving that much confidence or positive feedback as the R15 did.
                              For the speeds you do, you can downshift, accelerate, brake, lean on both sides, ask pillion to get down - all at the same time and nothing much would happen.

                              You own the R15 and you were riding borrowed CBZ and Pulsar 150 so obviously there would be difference in your confidence level.


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                              • #90
                                From Pune

                                Nav75
                                Niks
                                Alok Das - Inflammable
                                ROCKRZ
                                Shrinath rao
                                vivekjayasheel
                                Sumit_B
                                vrathor
                                rishabh (as he is not able to login :P )
                                Meghnad
                                Ritwik23
                                Eshan P180
                                Vivek
                                Siddharth_zmr
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