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  • Rakesh Rok
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    Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

    Originally posted by psr View Post
    The strange fact is that people think it is worth it, or having paid have no other option. People praised him too much and made him look like god's answer to engine "Tooning".No one cross checked on promised performance , or a dyno proof ,...or the fact that the Designer and Manufacturer Knows Better than the "Tooner" to stop at a certain level . He was made out to be the Magician who can say "Toon" and un lock hidden performance,which even the manufacturer didn't know of...
    Only now it is known that it was BLACK MAGIC all along...a Whammy and a HEX on the engine.
    That's the easiest trick to fool our people, sorry to say this but I should. . . Just pay two to three guys and ask them to publish good about you, then that two to three is going to make 100s or even 1000s of others as fools and make them to believe. . . Our people got to change, they should learn that listening isn't always right. . . Same happened with all the race tooners, they spoke to him and they were jaw opened hearing about his so called 10-15% gain and see in fb pages, may be they'll find two to three saying the same, I'm so thankful to you, I really luv my bike now blah blah blah, then they fall into it, that's how it's done. . . After some months oops some weeks, problems start creeping one by one, . . Everything is doomed at the end they scold him and the bike and keep quite, that's what happens. . .

    Only here that one or two started saying, did many arise else everyone would had kept the negative point for themselves and showed off only positive stuff. . . This is what I have seen happening. . . For all people who are tooned, please grow up and show both the sides of him. . .

    Cheers!!!

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  • SriramEfunds
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    Originally posted by Team Torque View Post
    Starting with POINT 2: As said by shv18: " the only thing i would recommend will be the Head porting and polishing work and the Street high lift camshaft from Motozone . If shv18 is happy about the service and products from motozone, he simply could've shared his review than recommending== "PROMOTION". PONT 1: I never denied this... as said by me earlier w.r.t motozone...."Maybe they might have an upper hand on reliability levels"... POINT 3: as said by shv18: "If at all you are still keen on getting safe but higher performance from your vehicle".. He says HIGHER performance. Which is why I questioned about them against RC. POINT 4: SriramEfunds- Another chit funding company???. Sorry mate but it was lame and absurd for you to have said that. Never have I said anything that relates to what RC does (WORK Involved). So for you to say that was pointless totally. Apologies for ALL BOLD. Laptop prob . Cheers mate
    Sorry to hear about laptop problem.....well you'll need to toon it before ceases. RC make?
    Experts here can help you. Cheer up!!

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  • Anuj_Gupta
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    Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
    I agree with you that filing a civil petition or criminal charge is not going to get anyone anywhere. It will just go into limbo. I was just pointing out that it's not out of the question.

    Also consider this, there are people out here who ordered parts based on his promises, paid him the money in advance and he has not delivered any for more than 2 years now. That's outright cheating and intent to commit fraud. People who have written correspondence with him wherein he has promised parts which were never delivered. These parts are illegal only if they are used in road going vehicle and it's not illegal to sell these parts, hence the Act cannot apply in these circumstances as the Act was never broken in the first place as the parts were never received nor were they installed on a road going vehicle.


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    You can file a case under Consumer rights act in a consumer court or forum, I bet he hadn't registered his shop, have a T.I.N. number or EVEN pay tax to government ( most people don't in this line) that will bleed him.financially and you don't need a lawyer fir consumer court proceedings, you can fight your own case or legal assistance/ lawyer will be provided free of cost as per circumstances

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  • abhimanyu31
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    Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
    I agree to the point that technically a case can be filed under both civil and criminal liabilities. But consider the last lines of your post. The civil petition and criminal charge, both would be challenged on the basis of the fact that the cause of action itself is illigal. So no malpractice can be claimed in the basis of a transaction where the expected service is something illigal. Further more, the defence would also claim that the accused carried out the job to the best extent of his skil and it would be very hard to prove that he intentionally commited fraud by giving substandard products.

    I would be the happiest see this man behind bars for what he has done, but it is highly unlikely. So other avenues of settling the issue should be explored.

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    I agree with you that filing a civil petition or criminal charge is not going to get anyone anywhere. It will just go into limbo. I was just pointing out that it's not out of the question.

    Also consider this, there are people out here who ordered parts based on his promises, paid him the money in advance and he has not delivered any for more than 2 years now. That's outright cheating and intent to commit fraud. People who have written correspondence with him wherein he has promised parts which were never delivered. These parts are illegal only if they are used in road going vehicle and it's not illegal to sell these parts, hence the Act cannot apply in these circumstances as the Act was never broken in the first place as the parts were never received nor were they installed on a road going vehicle.


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    Last edited by abhimanyu31; 12-31-2013, 01:04 AM.

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  • Bibhu
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    Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
    Not exactly true. Under Motor Vehicles Act 1988 what you say is true. However, Motor Vehicles Act is enforceable by the State and does not have power to negate a commercial transaction between 2 private parties that have entered into a contract for certain services and products. Like [MENTION=23956]Legend Racer[/MENTION] says there are sections under which suits can be filed, both civil as well as criminal.

    Here a commercial transaction has taken place under which something was promised (which may be verbal or in writing) and in lieu of that promised products and services the person/ company has charged a certain amount of money. However, the products and services fell well short of what was promised and in some cases was not delivered at all. In such circumstances refund of money is the least of the recourse. If there was intent to cheat then criminal proceedings are also a recourse. Whether the products and service sold and bought are contrary to the Motor Vehicles Act is something for the State to decide and whom, where and how to prosecute for the violation of the Act will entail the State filing separate legal proceedings against the parties in court of law which have no bearing on legal rights and contentions of the buyer in his case against the supplier.
    I agree to the point that technically a case can be filed under both civil and criminal liabilities. But consider the last lines of your post. The civil petition and criminal charge, both would be challenged on the basis of the fact that the cause of action itself is illigal. So no malpractice can be claimed in the basis of a transaction where the expected service is something illigal. Further more, the defence would also claim that the accused carried out the job to the best extent of his skil and it would be very hard to prove that he intentionally commited fraud by giving substandard products.

    I would be the happiest see this man behind bars for what he has done, but it is highly unlikely. So other avenues of settling the issue should be explored.

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  • black asp
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    Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
    That way a case will be filed in the name of each and every coustomer too bro. And reckless endangerment would be added to illigally moding vehicles. Its very complex. Yes you can file for fraud, but then again, you would have to prove that he had gurenteed the success of his product in writing which not the case as hes not a registered company as far as i know. Putting him under criminal fraud is even harder than claiming non-performance of contractual obligation.

    If it were my bike, I would do it the old fashioned way. If know what I mean. Thats the only language such people understand.

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    If any one files a case then please try to fight his case bro its nice to have a legal professional in xbhp

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  • incipient
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    The reliability claim was clearly a sham designed to hook new customers and alleviate any nagging doubts or second thoughts they might have in their minds regarding the kits. Reliable as stock with x% improvement in performance does sound very tempting !

    But what's the tooners agenda? Is it simply to create a business out of selling aftermarket performance parts or is it something more devious like doing free R&D at the customers expense?

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  • Legend Racer
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    Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post
    Not exactly true. Under Motor Vehicles Act 1988 what you say is true. However, Motor Vehicles Act is enforceable by the State and does not have power to negate a commercial transaction between 2 private parties that have entered into a contract for certain services and products. Like @Legend Racer says there are sections under which suits can be filed, both civil as well as criminal.

    Here a commercial transaction has taken place under which something was promised (which may be verbal or in writing) and in lieu of that promised products and services the person/ company has charged a certain amount of money. However, the products and services fell well short of what was promised and in some cases was not delivered at all. In such circumstances refund of money is the least of the recourse. If there was intent to cheat then criminal proceedings are also a recourse. Whether the products and service sold and bought are contrary to the Motor Vehicles Act is something for the State to decide and whom, where and how to prosecute for the violation of the Act will entail the State filing separate legal proceedings against the parties in court of law which have no bearing on legal rights and contentions of the buyer in his case against the supplier.
    heck, are you from a court room? the last sentence... had to read 2-3 times...

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  • Sherwin
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    There should be some way to sue him. Can't the posts which were posted by him considered as a written proof? If all the victims who were affected by him join hands and file a complaint, there is definetely probablity to win the case. If there is no way to take action against him legally atleast illegally there should be an option.

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  • Bibhu
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    Re: The POWERHOUSE Fz18

    Originally posted by Legend Racer View Post
    there is no proof that the customers are using it for daily use or on streets, simply put, the mods were for race track trials. even if its proven that they have used it on streets which is illegal, then why the hell is the supplier supplying such illegal things?

    AFAIK, the problem is about cheating and false claims with dubious products and ,making money illegally. he is doing transactions without any tax rules. try to understand the cheating rules in our IPC sections. cheating ignorant people, whether illegal or legal is to be charged.

    well, im very sad/ angry about the ways of RC. screwing our rides is unforgivable... he may or may not get punished from court, but let him have his own hurdles. thats too...
    That way a case will be filed in the name of each and every coustomer too bro. And reckless endangerment would be added to illigally moding vehicles. Its very complex. Yes you can file for fraud, but then again, you would have to prove that he had gurenteed the success of his product in writing which not the case as hes not a registered company as far as i know. Putting him under criminal fraud is even harder than claiming non-performance of contractual obligation.

    If it were my bike, I would do it the old fashioned way. If know what I mean. Thats the only language such people understand.

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  • abhimanyu31
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    Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
    You can not file a law suit in this context as modifying engines which are in street use, is illigal ab initio. So under the contract act, an illigal transaction can not be the basis of a suit.

    Spreding awareness is the only viable alternative here. What amazes me is, why such "tuners" are allowed to advertise their products or services here. This forum is for gaining knowledge and sharing experiences. Not for making a buck of uninformed enthusiasts. If brand bashing and name calling is so seriously watched by moderators here then why not such malicious conduct which is a far greater problem than petty squables.

    Sent from my GT-I9001 using xBhp Connect mobile app
    Not exactly true. Under Motor Vehicles Act 1988 what you say is true. However, Motor Vehicles Act is enforceable by the State and does not have power to negate a commercial transaction between 2 private parties that have entered into a contract for certain services and products. Like [MENTION=23956]Legend Racer[/MENTION] says there are sections under which suits can be filed, both civil as well as criminal.

    Here a commercial transaction has taken place under which something was promised (which may be verbal or in writing) and in lieu of that promised products and services the person/ company has charged a certain amount of money. However, the products and services fell well short of what was promised and in some cases was not delivered at all. In such circumstances refund of money is the least of the recourse. If there was intent to cheat then criminal proceedings are also a recourse. Whether the products and service sold and bought are contrary to the Motor Vehicles Act is something for the State to decide and whom, where and how to prosecute for the violation of the Act will entail the State filing separate legal proceedings against the parties in court of law which have no bearing on legal rights and contentions of the buyer in his case against the supplier.

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  • Legend Racer
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    Originally posted by Bibhu View Post
    You can not file a law suit in this context as modifying engines which are in street use, is illigal ab initio. So under the contract act, an illigal transaction can not be the basis of a suit.


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    there is no proof that the customers are using it for daily use or on streets, simply put, the mods were for race track trials. even if its proven that they have used it on streets which is illegal, then why the hell is the supplier supplying such illegal things?

    AFAIK, the problem is about cheating and false claims with dubious products and ,making money illegally. he is doing transactions without any tax rules. try to understand the cheating rules in our IPC sections. cheating ignorant people, whether illegal or legal is to be charged.

    well, im very sad/ angry about the ways of RC. screwing our rides is unforgivable... he may or may not get punished from court, but let him have his own hurdles. thats too...

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  • Bibhu
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    Originally posted by Legend Racer View Post
    cut the crap. file a simple lawsuit. that too in a different state so that the tooner has to spend time for court rather than races and r & d. its not about us reaching big audience, but about, him not reaching big audience...
    You can not file a law suit in this context as modifying engines which are in street use, is illigal ab initio. So under the contract act, an illigal transaction can not be the basis of a suit.

    Spreding awareness is the only viable alternative here. What amazes me is, why such "tuners" are allowed to advertise their products or services here. This forum is for gaining knowledge and sharing experiences. Not for making a buck of uninformed enthusiasts. If brand bashing and name calling is so seriously watched by moderators here then why not such malicious conduct which is a far greater problem than petty squables.

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    Last edited by Bibhu; 12-30-2013, 06:26 PM.

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  • Legend Racer
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    Originally posted by road_ripper View Post
    There needs to be a new thread opened to make everyone aware with title like RC long term review/ RC woes or something like that to reach bigger audience

    cut the crap. file a simple lawsuit. that too in a different state so that the tooner has to spend time for court rather than races and r & d. its not about us reaching big audience, but about, him not reaching big audience...

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  • shv18
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    Originally posted by Adarsh_Bk View Post
    @shv18 & @N-o-v-i-c-e, please edit the beginning of the first post. Please add links to all the posts which reveal the true story of RC or atleast tell the readers that story has a big twist waiting! And also links to all the informative posts by you, @psrji, @abhimanyu31 etc. This should really help in reading only the required portion of this 83 page thread!

    Posts above by Divya & road_ripper clearly indicate that this thread is not fully achieving its purpose

    Based on request, the 1st page has been edited along with instructions i hope anyone can clearly read and distinguish from the rest of the history posts...

    <div class='xflo_forum_img'> <a href="http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-biking-discussion/"><img src='images/catimages/xflo/generaldiscussion.png'/></a> </div> <div class='xflo_forum_text'> General Biking Discussions: Questions, complaints, concerns, rants &amp; everything in between, of course related to biking. </div>




    Hope this helps...


    Cheers,

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