2009 Speculation thread: What bikes could be launched?

[Satellite.kid]

@satyenpoojary: Yes, I always meant overall performance in which case R15 is unbeaten right now!

Whereas straight line speeds are concerned, I think only the P220 is better than R15. You tell me, you own an R15, right?

[satyenpoojary]

Whatever...what I wanted to point out was that some people say somethings very confidently due to their contacts or whatever, but in the end the companies make a fool out of them (and us if we believe them) by launching something different!!! That's why I gave the example of the RTR180 thread!

Moreover, its my way of looking at it -- that you have to have something like an R15 (say CBR150) to beat an R15! Making the bike go faster doesn't beat an R15, this bike has many more things going for it!! An RTR or any other Indian motorcycle, in stock condition, can only hope to beat the R15 by having the engine capacitiy of 200cc or above. But even that isn't happening right now, cause R15 beats every bike fair and square in performance.

I will consider R15 being beaten fairly only if someone comes out with a 150cc bike and then beats it, which only CBR150 is capable of and it isn't here! Otherwise, it is just too good for other Indian bikes.

R15s can be beaten by many bikes when it comes to straight line speed....
Performance <> Speed

The R15's forte is its brilliant handling, and the complete package!

Kenda I saw a single cylinder Platina once :P

BTW The Suz I was referring to was seen on Chennai tracks about the time the R15 was launched everybody thought it would be the gsr 250

From what I heard it is a followup bike to the GSR.... I wonder when it will come! Phew!

[Satellite.kid]

@ Satellite Kid:
I believe TVS had no choice, that had to keep costs low & release date quick. otherwise why wouldn't they want "RTR 180 faster than R15" ??

Whatever...what I wanted to point out was that some people say somethings very confidently due to their contacts or whatever, but in the end the companies make a fool out of them (and us if we believe them) by launching something different!!! That's why I gave the example of the RTR180 thread!

Moreover, its my way of looking at it -- that you have to have something like an R15 (say CBR150) to beat an R15! Making the bike go faster doesn't beat an R15, this bike has many more things going for it!! An RTR or any other Indian motorcycle, in stock condition, can only hope to beat the R15 by having the engine capacitiy of 200cc or above. But even that isn't happening right now, cause R15 beats every bike fair and square in performance.

I will consider R15 being beaten fairly only if someone comes out with a 150cc bike and then beats it, which only CBR150 is capable of and it isn't here! Otherwise, it is just too good for other Indian bikes.

[abhijeet080808]

Indian Motorcycle history of machines that nearly made to these shores. Phew! There are so many of them.

That would make for an interesting read!

[ken cool]

Damn! __ Good morning guys. What a Royal Dream it was...!

At least, the Suzuki 250cc's news was true, right? Now, don't say even that is false ...

In 2005, there were covert photographs of the testing of something that vaguely resembled a 250Katana! That is a 2 decade old motorcycle. And the covert testing was done nearly half a decade ago! But nothing came of it as we all know and it has been quietly relegated to the footnotes of Indian Motorcycle history of machines that nearly made to these shores. Phew! There are so many of them.

[sukant08]

Damn! __ Good morning guys. What a Royal Dream it was...!

At least, the Suzuki 250cc's news was true, right? Now, don't say even that is false ...

If Suzuki does come with a 250, it'd be primarily for the world market and then if they feel like it, maybe it'll be launched in India. Same with Yam 250 and no Honda 250 isnt coming here !!

Sorry, bro. Santa doesnt exist !

[Samarth 619]

Damn! __ Good morning guys. What a Royal Dream it was...!

At least, the Suzuki 250cc's news was true, right? Now, don't say even that is false ...

[ken cool]

As Kevin Spacey said, This is the high point of my day, from now onwards everything will go downhill !!
Good morning Ken da and others !

Good Morning to you too!

It is Saturday morning. Lets go for a ride instead of speculating!

[sukant08]

Your dream is very good, but... the rest of the answer is down below...



And here it is...

My post here: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/218045-post1554.html was meant to be a speculator's joke! This is pure speculation and not an ounce of truth to it. Or rather, let us put it this way; there maybe some truth to it, but I am not fully aware of it!

As Kevin Spacey said, This is the high point of my day, from now onwards everything will go downhill !!
Good morning Ken da and others !

[ken cool]

A CBR 600RR is my dream, n karizma was my Indian dream...
Indian dream had been fulfilled, its tym to go Global...
Cant imagine any better Indian bikes, R15 for instance is a small replica of R1, good but not something i'd go for, a replica!!!
I'd prefer an original R1 anytime, only coz its original...
So no more Indian bikes for me, but i'd love to see others owning them, coz am totally in luv wid mah ZMA R...

But yes am eagerly waiting for KTMs, ninja 250, etc...

Your dream is very good, but... the rest of the answer is down below...

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@ Ken.Cool: Two 250's were heard about one year ago from Suzuki, so I believe it.
But, What would this Yamaha's 600cc be called? I mean, "FZ" or "Fazer" or some new name?
Surely, it can NOT be something like Indian R6 with one cylinder?

And here it is...

My post here: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/218045-post1554.html was meant to be a speculator's joke! This is pure speculation and not an ounce of truth to it. Or rather, let us put it this way; there maybe some truth to it, but I am not fully aware of it!

[Samarth 619]

@ Satellite Kid: Dude, I was thinking it would be a new cylinder for RTR 180. But NO, it was the same cylinder with Bore increased by 0.5mm.

I believe TVS had no choice, that had to keep costs low & release date quick. otherwise why wouldn't they want "RTR 180 faster than R15" ??

End of the Line: It was all upto "we" to guess, how RTR 180 was to be made, despite all crazy info here and there.

Regarding P220 having 6 gears, it might be well possible, seeing the competition.

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@ Ken.Cool: Two 250's were heard about one year ago from Suzuki, so I believe it.
But, What would this Yamaha's 600cc be called? I mean, "FZ" or "Fazer" or some new name?
Surely, it can NOT be something like Indian R6 with one cylinder?

[spiderweb]

Today my friend who is very highly placed I really don't know where called me to say that the bookings for a Suzuki 250cc twin is just about to begin... very soon!

And another friend said that Bajaj is secretly working on a 400cc twin.

And yet another friend sent me an SMS saying that Yamaha is working on a single cylinder 600cc exclusively for India! I reckon with about 45 odd Bhp.

Very soon we will have all these bikes on the road. Which one are you gonna buy?

A CBR 600RR is my dream, n karizma was my Indian dream...
Indian dream had been fulfilled, its tym to go Global...
Cant imagine any better Indian bikes, R15 for instance is a small replica of R1, good but not something i'd go for, a replica!!!
I'd prefer an original R1 anytime, only coz its original...
So no more Indian bikes for me, but i'd love to see others owning them, coz am totally in luv wid mah ZMA R...

But yes am eagerly waiting for KTMs, ninja 250, etc...

[ken cool]

Since this IS after all a speculation thread, may I throw up a question ? ( though i sadly know i will be disappointed by the answer )

Given that the new 180 UG4 has so many bits borrowed from the 200, and as a result has "robbed the 200 of its identity" as many members here have suggested, is it possible that there might be something totally new on the 200 ?? for e.g. could the new 200 be a six - speed ???

Here is my take... the 180 will come with clip-ons etc. The 220 will appear in an new avatar and will be available in various options! The 200 will get killed and obsolete!

[MR ACE]

Today my friend who is very highly placed I really don't know where called me to say that the bookings for a Suzuki 250cc twin is just about to begin... very soon!

And another friend said that Bajaj is secretly working on a 400cc twin.

And yet another friend sent me an SMS saying that Yamaha is working on a single cylinder 600cc exclusively for India! I reckon with about 45 odd Bhp.

Very soon we will have all these bikes on the road. Which one are you gonna buy?

I'll go for the 250cc better than 400 & 600cc for city ride

I guess some sense should prevail while posting anything in this thread else the whole purpose of this thread will be defeated.Someone posted something about 220 and he was very confident about it but I guess everyone is taking it as a joke.

I am sure 220 carb will come out some day this year but answer is upto bajaj

[vinfreak]

@vinfreak-Although this is the best comment in the last 2 pages but I guess we are not running a contest which says post the most catchy one liner.

I guess some sense should prevail while posting anything in this thread else the whole purpose of this thread will be defeated.Someone posted something about 220 and he was very confident about it but I guess everyone is taking it as a joke.

@MG_BIKER: Buddy if you have had a look at this thread then i wouldnt have to tell you that the purpose of this thread is already defeated.
BTW i wasnt trying to be funny and nor did I mean to upset the person who is confident on his info. Just questioning the whole concept of "SOURCES" from various members.