Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

Yup you are right!

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

This is the most funniest yet informative thread I have seen in recent months.

Cheers guys!

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

3 week update:
After returning from the service centre(refer my last post), the bike remained parked for a very long time.

This changed about 3 days ago when my mom was admitted in the hospital, and thus the need arose for me to actually go there and come back home pretty frequently. The hospital is about 9 km away, and in these 3 days I've put about 85 KM. I havent really had the time to monitor the fluids usage, because of obvious reasons.

Today morning(6 AM) I had to go and i started the bike. It started fine. But the moment it hit 4000 rpm, it shuts down. I thought hmm, maybe i should let it idle. So i idled it for a minute, and again the same issue. And again. I glanced down and found this. And very muddy engine oil. Ultimately after about 5 minutes of trying I finally gave up, and took the car instead.

So I have deciphered the following:
a) The bike sends the coolant to the engine oil, thats why I have rapidly deteriorating coolant levels
b) This happens when I'm riding the bike, and not when its parked.
c) The engine oil levels increased, but thats due to the coolant being down there

PS: Pic took while bike upright.







Questions
1) Why the sudden loss in coolant levels in these 90 KMs, as opposed to the earlier gradual loss.
2) How the hell do I take it to the ASC now? I mean I cant push it for the 6 KMs. >Well, technically I can, but.....<
3) After all is sorted, how much can i sell this for? And without sorting it as well.


PS: There's no brake oil either. This is the VERY FIRST TIME I've ever seen a bike run out of brake oil. So this bike has more leaks than Lusitania. (Which reminds me, if you havent already, Do read Dead Wake: The Last Crossing of the Lusitania written by Erik Larson. Brilliant book)

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

I think the head gasket has blown but it blows only when the bike is heating and has no coolant, but as you said coolant was full, maybe it was leaked

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?



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Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

Sir,
Hello! This seems like a serious issue. Why don't you escalate the matter to Bajaj over the mail. The dealers are just pathetic. I've heard that this problem can appear on NS/AS on a few bikes because of manufacturing defects in the engine. There maybe cracks on the jackets, which leads the coolant into the engine. If you need any help regarding this, please pm me. I'll try my level best to help you.
Regards

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?


Thank you very much for your concern, Sir.

I will push(because as I have said, it idles fine, but dies the moment i hit about 3500 RPM, so I cant ride it) this bike to the Bajaj ASC on Wednesday (not before that because my mom's getting discharged on Tuesday, and I'm on day duty as the attendant).

And therefore I shall be unable to give any updates before that.



I will, however be reading this forum atleast once a day, and therefore please dont let this deter you from posting your valuable advice.

Regards.

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

If I may advice you, don't ride the bike for now. The more your ride to see how it is now, the more harm it may do. The coolant mixing with the engine oil isn't a good sign, let it be a 4 wheeler or 2.
Do you notice any white smoke? How does your exhaust smell when you turn on your bike?

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

Idled the bike for 3 minutes. Still stuttering and shutting down. Then dad stepped in and revved the guts out of it, with him taking the bike to the redline, and constantly holding about 7k RPM.

Finally the bike idled. Took it for a short spin for about 2 KMs. The throttle response is still lumpy and I did not not dare go below 4K RPM for the sake of me having to push it all the way back home.

Anyways, just glad that I can ride it to the service centre, instead of having it sent there on a luggage carrying van. Not that it is recommended, though, especially with s little coolant as I have.

Well, what can be the worst thing that can happen? A seized engine? Well, I dare say the new one will be better than this one.

Long story short, I'm RIDING this to the ASC tomorrow, and we'll see what happens from there.

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

That's sad to hear. And that fear of the engine shutting down is not describable. Happened to me when the battery was drained, though I have a kicker. Anyway good luck and keep us posted. Things should be under warranty.

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

Dropped the bike to the ASC today.

They drained the coolant and viola, entire coolant was in the engine oil. They're decided to replace the gasket and the o-seals. And they said they'll escalate the matter to the company.(Not that its gonna make a difference to Bajaj, though. They sell enough bikes even with this shoddy quality control.)

They'll return it after 2 days they said.

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

Finally!

Life's strange at times and bikes even more so. I hope that the 'dis-enchanted-by-sorcery' bike you get after a couple of days keeps you away from heartburn for a long time.

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

Sir,

As the bike is brand new and had problems right from the start, shouldn't Bajaj recall it as defected piece and provide you with a new bike?
I don't know how the Guaranty or Warranty works, but this definitely entitles you for a replacement, not some "Jugaad" done by the stupid service centers, who are clueless about the problem most of the time.
I really shudder by the thought that a person invested his hard earned money on something, and have to face problems like this.
I don't know about you, but for a guy like me more than 1 lakh rupees is not a small amount. I would be suicidal if I spent that much money and then had to deal with this kind of service from Bajaj.
I think you are well within your rights to demand a full replacement. Bajaj should scrap that lemon and provide you with a new bike.
Hope everything works out in the end.

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

No, that is not how law wants you to do it. And rightly so! Else, every Tom, Dick or Harry would start stamping dealers' chests to provide them a new vehicle every 6 months.

The registration number you get is stamped against the engine number. That's why you cannot legally buy an entire engine from the manufacturer, only the upper and lower blocks as spares. But then I have seen people use the same registration number on multiple vehicles (only one at a time), you may ask?
That's possible only if:
1. Your old vehicle is scrap and has no outstanding charges.
OR
2. You have sold your older vehicle and it has no outstanding charges.

Since these conditions are not met in HR's case and that ideally coolant mixing in to engine oil CAN be solved be replacing gaskets/seals, the company is obliged to do so under warranty. Demanding anything more than this is foolish and unethical.

Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?


Thank you for the explanation sir.
Yes, that makes sense, I didn't know that before.