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Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

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  • #16
    Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

    Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
    Okay. So here's the xBhp suggested brief for tomorrow.

    Go and get a main stand installed, and get an engine oil top up, leave the coolant as it is, because its enough for the time being. And then we will monitor it. Right?

    Or....

    Take a screwdriver, adjust the ring that the markers are parallel to the ground. And ask anyone who happens to walk past, to hold your bike straight for 10 seconds and see!

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    • #17
      Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

      Originally posted by The Monk View Post
      Or....

      Take a screwdriver, adjust the ring that the markers are parallel to the ground. And ask anyone who happens to walk past, to hold your bike straight for 10 seconds and see!

      Kal kare so aaj kare aaj kare so ab

      You want to wear briefs tomorrow or not, that is totally upto you!

      I can't believe we are even going through this discussion!

      That sense of humour, though. You win.

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      • #18
        Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

        As Monk said, Its either leakage or usage . If you can't spot any leakage then it's getting burnt for sure. Also someone here posted that coolant level varies if there is air in the system . I don't know why but someone had this experience with this. For Engine oil burning, open master spark plug and see , if it has shiny coating Your bike has oil consumption problem.
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        • #19
          Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

          Originally posted by Sal View Post
          Oh! my bike's indicator is the same as shown in the manual. The markers are supposed to be parallel to the ground? !!
          Now that I think off, i always found the indicator markings weird. If we go by the image in the manual, then the oil should be covering almost 80% of the viewing glass!


          @HyperRetard

          I am not sure whether your bike was perpendicular to ground or not. But, if it was on the side stand then the coolant level is ok. Cant determine the oil level on a side stand, try draining the oil and you will know for sure.


          And if it should be covering 80% of the glass, mine is covering just about 5%.

          This thread, and your post, raise more questions than it answers.

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          • #20
            Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

            Measuring oil coolant Mobil water any kind of fluid in side stand rather than a straight no stand bike is being a lemon and not sold a lemon, yes it's a faulty practice to measure in center stand too, one should use it for 5 minutes to settle the oil in pan then remove center stand and measure oil level while the bike is kept straightforward and not in a leaning position, simple fact that in side stand oil gets struck in crank/ clutch plates or in dynamo side and settles down slow whereas if kept in center stand it will settle in pan and measurement will be accurate.
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            • #21
              Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

              Originally posted by Jagzxbhp View Post
              Measuring oil coolant Mobil water any kind of fluid in side stand rather than a straight no stand bike is being a lemon and not sold a lemon,

              Ah. Cynical comments on xBhp. I was actually wondering what took it so long.








              Another post I found in the AS 200 owners thread


              Originally posted by Tejas Jha View Post

              1. Engine oil levels:- oil levels are different when the bike is off and when switched on (have attached pics below). So which level is to be considered while checking the engine oil levels??





              If in the engine off, it is supposed to rise, and fall in the engine on, then mine should be as high as the first pic.(my pic on the first page was taken after resting the bike for 7 hours. basically a cold engine) Does that indicate an abnormally high engine oil usage?







              If this motorcycle needs an engine rebuild after 800 KMs, Bajaj can expect to hear from my lawyers. And this POS to be on OLX (which happens to be an xBhp partner )
              Last edited by HyperRetard; 06-14-2016, 11:51 PM.

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              • #22
                Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                Another post I found in the AS 200 owners thread...
                There is no need for that much oil for our bike ( from the pictures ) there is marker at the sides of the glass window which should be about half of the window while on centre stand .

                Some bajaj Ns/As/Rs coming from factory have a common issue of leaking coolant to the crankcase .
                The coolant will not decrease is everything is fine mine is still same coolant level for last 11k kms

                PS : Did you check with your SVC .

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                • #23
                  Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                  Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                  Another post I found in the AS 200 owners thread
                  If in the engine off, it is supposed to rise, and fall in the engine on, then mine should be as high as the first pic.
                  If this motorcycle needs an engine rebuild after 800 KMs, Bajaj can expect to hear from my lawyers. And this POS to be on OLX
                  What makes you feel that your bike 'may' need an engine rebuild?
                  Don't just assume that the oil/coolant has leaked/evaporated just because it's not currently visible.

                  Few pointers, at the risk of repetition.

                  1. The image you quoted has abnormally high oil levels.

                  2. Oil inspection screw is tilted, which is wrong. It should have been flat, parallel to the ground.

                  3. Take a brick or two and place it under your bike's side stand, thus emulating a center stand. Idle the bike for 30 odd seconds and let it settle for a couple of minutes. Take readings or click pics. No 3rd party help required.

                  4. If you still feel unsure, this step may cost you some money, but it will guaran-damn-tee peace of mind (while still being on the make-shift center stand):
                  a. Check the coolant level.
                  b. Drain oil (this may need you to tilt the bike to get all possible oil out though).
                  c. If it looks foamy, coolant has leaked into the chamber. Replace O rings for the coolant chamber. Else, coolant should be fine anyways (pointer 4.a).
                  d. Measure the amount of oil drained out. 600 odd km should mean roughly the same amount of oil should come out as was poured in. Note the readings. Get a measuring beaker.
                  Last edited by Divya Sharan; 06-15-2016, 09:01 AM.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                    What makes you feel that your bike 'may' need an engine rebuild?
                    Don't just assume that the oil/coolant has leaked/evaporated just because it's not currently visible.

                    Few pointers, at the risk of repetition.

                    1. The image you quoted has abnormally high oil levels.

                    2. Oil inspection screw is tilted, which is wrong. It should have been flat, parallel to the ground.

                    3. Take a brick or two and place it under your bike's side stand, thus emulating a center stand. Idle the bike for 30 odd seconds and let it settle for a couple of minutes. Take readings or click pics. No 3rd party help required.

                    4. If you still feel unsure, this step may cost you some money, but it will guaran-damn-tee peace of mind (while still being on the make-shift center stand):
                    a. Check the coolant level.
                    b. Drain oil (this may need you to tilt the bike to get all possible oil out though).
                    c. If it looks foamy, coolant has leaked into the chamber. Replace O rings for the coolant chamber. Else, coolant should be fine anyways (pointer 4.a).
                    d. Measure the amount of oil drained out. 600 odd km should mean roughly the same amount of oil should come out as was poured in. Note the readings. Get a measuring beaker.


                    That BCMT article had similar oil readings as me, and his mechanic said it was time for a rebuild.

                    1: acknowledged
                    2: That has been now fixed.
                    3: The engine oil readings should be taken on a warm idling engine? I thought a cold switched off bike was the way to go.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                      Switching the engine on and idling is more so that the oil heats up and starts flowing so you can get an accurate level reading. But since we in the north don't know what is cold weather, you may not need to switch on engine, just hold it upright and check level.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

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                        The normal side stand stance




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                        The jugaad i did for getting it almost vertical.




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                        Close up of the jugaad. Tried with a brick, but it was too high.




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                        The coolant usage, (mind you in only 600 km, half of it is gone) Pic taken after idling for about 45 seconds.




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                        The engine oil, with the markers aligned. And again, engine warmed for 45 seconds.





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                        • #27
                          Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                          I think coolant is fine but since you warmed up the engine wait five minutes after switching it off with the bike in the same position and check.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                            Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post

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                            The engine oil, with the markers aligned. And again, engine warmed for 45 seconds.



                            @rreneav1987 @The Monk @tanay @Sal @Vaisakh2778 @Divya Sharan @RohIIT
                            Lovely photography man. I can see so much detail in it You went to the trouble of jugaading a stand, but clicking a picture of the oil. This is where you use the Mastercard tagline

                            I hope you read what Divya had written, after warming up the engine, keep the bike stable and shut off for 5 minutes before checking the oil level!
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                            • #29
                              Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                              Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                              Lovely photography man. I can see so much detail in it You went to the trouble of jugaading a stand, but clicking a picture of the oil. This is where you use the Mastercard tagline

                              I hope you read what Divya had written, after warming up the engine, keep the bike stable and shut off for 5 minutes before checking the oil level!

                              Originally posted by tanay View Post
                              I think coolant is fine but since you warmed up the engine wait five minutes after switching it off with the bike in the same position and check.

                              The coolant level is fine for at the moment. But losing half of the coolant in 600 km is not excessive? So realistically speaking, the remaining will last for another 600 km(strictly the law of averages. Me no soothsayer) 1200 km from full to empty is acceptable? I dont think so.

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                              Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                              Lovely photography man. I can see so much detail in it You went to the trouble of jugaading a stand, but clicking a picture of the oil. This is where you use the Mastercard tagline

                              I hope you read what Divya had written, after warming up the engine, keep the bike stable and shut off for 5 minutes before checking the oil level!


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                              After warming up the engine for 3 minutes. Engine running.


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                              After shutting down the engine and waiting for 5 minutes. Engine off.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                                Ya I must say for a new bike that is indeed low oil level. There may be one last and far-fetched possibility - can you check oil level after an hour or so? If it is still the same then maybe the bajaj guys filled in less at the first service, have it topped up. If it drops after that then yes you have a problem.
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