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  • #61
    Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

    Originally posted by Ankey View Post
    Sir,

    As the bike is brand new and had problems right from the start, shouldn't Bajaj recall it as defected piece and provide you with a new bike?
    I don't know how the Guaranty or Warranty works, but this definitely entitles you for a replacement, not some "Jugaad" done by the stupid service centers, who are clueless about the problem most of the time.
    I really shudder by the thought that a person invested his hard earned money on something, and have to face problems like this.
    I don't know about you, but for a guy like me more than 1 lakh rupees is not a small amount. I would be suicidal if I spent that much money and then had to deal with this kind of service from Bajaj.
    I think you are well within your rights to demand a full replacement. Bajaj should scrap that lemon and provide you with a new bike.
    Hope everything works out in the end.

    Well, my friend, that is how it *SHOULD* be.

    I had bought a bike with the sole purpose of doing touring. What bike thread here ----> http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bik...confusion.html

    Not a day has passed when I do not regret buying this bike. And with the kind of reliability woes, I dare not take it anywhere beyond a few KMs from my house. Can you imagine me being at Pir Panjal Valley, Mughal Road(which is where I was planning to go when I realized the issue and started the thread. Again, people will say that I should be monitoring the oil and coolant levels everyday, and it just takes about a second to glance down, but realistically, who even does that?) when this thing decides to throw a tantrum. I'd be history.

    I, simply put, have no faith in this motorcycle any longer. Partly because of the history, and partly because Bajaj mechs are not known to be the best in the business.



    Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
    No, that is not how law wants you to do it. And rightly so! Else, every Tom, Dick or Harry would start stamping dealers' chests to provide them a new vehicle every 6 months.

    The registration number you get is stamped against the engine number. That's why you cannot legally buy an entire engine from the manufacturer, only the upper and lower blocks as spares. But then I have seen people use the same registration number on multiple vehicles (only one at a time), you may ask?
    That's possible only if:
    1. Your old vehicle is scrap and has no outstanding charges.
    OR
    2. You have sold your older vehicle and it has no outstanding charges.

    Since these conditions are not met in HR's case and that ideally coolant mixing in to engine oil CAN be solved be replacing gaskets/seals, the company is obliged to do so under warranty. Demanding anything more than this is foolish and unethical.

    And why would the above three mentioned gentlemen do that? And wouldnt the company be able to make out a manufacturing defect from a deliberately sabotaged motorcycle?

    How about giving the person a choice of replacement bike, while informing him to do the re-registration and new insurance himself. Thata 10% of the cost, right?

    You know, if I did go batshit crazy and approach various consumer forums and file cases, I *MAY* have gotten a replacement, however for that it would require me to
    a) spend a crazy amount of time
    b) quit doing virtually everything else

    Oh, and Divya, what do you make of this? --------> Fabia stalling issue: Dealer unable to diagnose. EDIT: Skoda agrees to replace car - Team-BHP or this one? http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ced-skoda.html
    Last edited by HyperRetard; 07-15-2016, 05:53 PM.

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    • #62
      Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

      Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
      Well, my friend, that is how it *SHOULD* be.

      I had bought a bike with the sole purpose of doing touring. What bike thread here ----> http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/what-bik...confusion.html

      Not a day has passed when I do not regret buying this bike. And with the kind of reliability woes, I dare not take it anywhere beyond a few KMs from my house. Can you imagine me being at Pir Panjal Valley, Mughal Road(which is where I was planning to go when I realized the issue and started the thread. Again, people will say that I should be monitoring the oil and coolant levels everyday, and it just takes about a second to glance down, but realistically, who even does that?) when this thing decides to throw a tantrum. I'd be history.

      I, simply put, have no faith in this motorcycle any longer. Partly because of the history, and partly because Bajaj mechs are not known to be the best in the business.






      And why would the above three mentioned gentlemen do that? And wouldnt the company be able to make out a manufacturing defect from a deliberately sabotaged motorcycle?

      How about giving the person a choice of replacement bike, while informing him to do the re-registration and new insurance himself. Thata 10% of the cost, right?

      You know, if I did go batshit crazy and approach various consumer forums and file cases, I *MAY* have gotten a replacement, however for that it would require me to
      a) spend a crazy amount of time
      b) quit doing virtually everything else

      Oh, and Divya, what do you make of this? --------> Fabia stalling issue: Dealer unable to diagnose. EDIT: Skoda agrees to replace car - Team-BHP or this one? New Skoda Superb 2009 Breakdown. EDIT : Car being replaced by Skoda - Team-BHP

      Very unfortunate.. Hope your bike gets better soon.. It is upto you to sell it or not mate.. I mean after facing such an issue in the initial stages, I would lose my confidence..
      Splendor - 2k to 2006
      Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
      P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
      Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
      ZMR - 2010 to Forever
      RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
      Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
      RayZ - 2015 til now
      Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


      Delhi to Narkanda
      Delhi to Coimbatore
      Delhi to Nepal

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      • #63
        Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

        Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
        Well, my friend, that is how it *SHOULD* be.

        TL;DR
        a) can ask for replacement, but dont have time or the desire to approach consumer forum, or to write and follow up with the higher up authorities in Bajaj
        b) No confidence in the bike. Cant take it touring
        c) *MIGHT* sell it off. *MIGHT NOT*. Or as they say, "Past Imperfect, Future Uncertain"
        I can't offer any technical advice here, just my sympathies for going through such a harrowing experience, I can't imagine having to go through that. This is gross negligence by Bajaj towards you. Have you tried any other SVC? I feel that you haven't been as stern as you should have been with the SVC you go to(No offence) . Provide them with a written notice of the age of the bike, the issues you've faced, the actions of the SVC, and a notice that you WILL take legal actions against them. Keep all the bills etc. I know it would be hectic, but its a matter of principle, they have no right to treat a customer like that and get away with it.

        I hope it works out for you

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        • #64
          Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

          Well, those Team BHP references don't make sense. Their history was different. Search the same forum for Harish's Skoda. He filed a case against Skoda in 2009 which ran for 7 years, yes seven years. Still, he had to settle for an undisclosed amount. They never replaced his car!

          It's not that simple. Search various threads on xBhp itself. People start blaming the company for basic things like oil change or battery drain issues, when they are themselves not willing to learn anything about their own motorcycle. And claims made by ignorant people are best ignored.

          I would still stand by my statement - the issues in your bike do NOT warrant a replacement. A liquid cooled bike is never as trouble free as an air cooled bike, but its the same with every advancement in tech. Some people find carb'ed bikes less troublesome w.r.t FI bikes in case of fuel pump/injector issues. But those are common issues. I cannot demand a new bike just because my fuel pump failed within 2 months of ownership. I demand a new pump for free/warranty replacement.

          In your case, if needed you may press for a new head. That's it!
          Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
          Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

          Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
          Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
          ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
          P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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          • #65
            Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
            Well, those Team BHP references don't make sense. Their history was different. Search the same forum for Harish's Skoda. He filed a case against Skoda in 2009 which ran for 7 years, yes seven years. Still, he had to settle for an 1: undisclosed amount. They never replaced his car!

            It's not that simple. Search various threads on xBhp itself. 2: People start blaming the company for basic things like oil change or battery drain issues, when they are themselves not willing to learn anything about their own motorcycle. And claims made by ignorant people are best ignored.

            3: I would still stand by my statement - the issues in your bike do NOT warrant a replacement. A liquid cooled bike is never as trouble free as an air cooled bike, but its the same with every advancement in tech. Some people find carb'ed bikes less troublesome w.r.t FI bikes in case of fuel pump/injector issues. But those are common issues. I cannot demand a new bike just because my fuel pump failed within 2 months of ownership. I demand a new pump for free/warranty replacement.

            In your case, if needed you may press for a new head. That's it!

            1: I, for one, would love to "settle for an undisclosed amount" >insert if_you_know_what_I_mean_MrBean.jpg<

            2: True that.

            3: Why are we even discussing something that I have not even claimed, or have no intention of claiming, for the sake of partaking in another "7 years case". All I am saying is that this is what, in an Utopian society, should be done. Much like in an Utopian society corruption should not exist. Or shoddy quality control. Or racism. Or wars. etc. But then, we dont live in utopia, and, for the want of a better phrase, things happen.

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            • #66
              Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

              Tension na le kakke, gaddi theek ho jayegi!

              (Translation - chill! )
              Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
              Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

              Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
              Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
              ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
              P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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              • #67
                Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                Tension na le kakke, gaddi theek ho jayegi!

                (Translation - chill! )

                Ab toh poora riding season nikal gaya.

                Moonsoon aa gayi, and that can be dangerous, when riding with Euroslips.

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                • #68
                  Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                  Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                  Ab toh poora riding season nikal gaya.

                  Moonsoon aa gayi, and that can be dangerous, when riding with Euroslips.
                  Don't test your limits and you'll be fine. Monsoon and winters are best for riding.
                  Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
                  Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!

                  Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
                  Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
                  ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
                  P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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                  • #69
                    Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                    Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                    Ab toh poora riding season nikal gaya.

                    Moonsoon aa gayi, and that can be dangerous, when riding with Euroslips.
                    Everyday is a good day to ride a bike so take a chill pill.. get your bike fixed and start riding it I have had initial set of issues with my ZMR as well.. I had taken a severe step on the service manager and thereafter, I never had issues with my bike nor service... well.. I am not even 75% satisfied with the service, but then I never faced issues with my bike thereafter... I think you should give your bike another chance..
                    Splendor - 2k to 2006
                    Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                    P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                    Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                    ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                    RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                    Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                    RayZ - 2015 til now
                    Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                    Delhi to Narkanda
                    Delhi to Coimbatore
                    Delhi to Nepal

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                    • #70
                      Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                      The incompetent imbeciles they call Bajaj mechs now need an extra two days to replace the head gasket.

                      I dropped off the bike Friday at 11AM, and was told that the work would be done in 2 days(friday and saturday) and I would get it back on Monday morning.

                      Called them today at 4:00 PM, and they say work is still going on, and they will also need tomorrow, and I should call them on Wednesday. Again no assurance of it being finished by then either.


                      AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

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                      • #71
                        Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                        Write a mail to Bajaj about all this or lodge a complaint on their website. Atleast it will make sure that you get your bike on time from SVC. From all your posts regarding the kind of SVC you are dealing with, I dont think that they will return the bike on time.
                        Last edited by Brezon95; 07-18-2016, 09:29 PM.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                          Another 3 days.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                            Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                            Another 3 days.
                            So how many months in total for this ordeal has been spent??
                            Yamaha RXZ 5 speed (sold)
                            Bajaj Pulsar 220 DTS fi( sold)
                            Bajaj Discover 112(2006)
                            Yamaha R15 V2(2011)
                            Yezdi 250 model B(1978)
                            RX 135 4 speed(1998)
                            Yamaha Rajdoot 350(1989-unrestored)
                            Bajaj Pulsar 220 DTS-i (2011)Crashed and sold :'(
                            Bajaj Pulsar 220 DTS-i (2009-Fastest Indian)

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                            • #74
                              Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                              Originally posted by black asp View Post
                              So how many months in total for this ordeal has been spent??

                              It went through the entire quantity of coolant when I first gave it for service at 250 km/46 days, so yeah, you can say it has been pretty much a PITA since day 1, although I became aware of the problem sometime later(but before the 1st service nonetheless.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Pulsar AS 200 Excessive Coolant and Engine Oil usage. Have I been sold a lemon?

                                Originally posted by HyperRetard View Post
                                It went through the entire quantity of coolant when I first gave it for service at 250 km/46 days, so yeah, you can say it has been pretty much a PITA since day 1, although I became aware of the problem sometime later(but before the 1st service nonetheless.
                                Hi bro,

                                read your whole story. I am able to feel the pain you are undergoing. Sad.. Insist the Service center guys until the job gets done completely. And yeah shoot a mail to Bajaj also about this issue.

                                And as Divya Sharan rightly said, as technology advances, more the issues.. But sadly in your case those have shown in the initial days itself...

                                I wish your bike will be back soon as good as new..

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