Re: HID causing battery drain

Without doing the test, you will never be able to diagnose the battery and regulator functionality..!!!


Sunday, Holiday..??? then you can do the test..?? Its upto you...


The regulators when not connected to battery shows abnormal readings and that is okay. One regulator reading should not be compared to another one. Both have different output settings.
I asked to test whether the DC voltage is increasing or not. faulty regulator will not show any increase in reading. As both your regulators are showing increase in voltage, next thing is to check your stock regulator by TEST(what i have mentioned).
For Testing
either you can do this "(run the bike for 40 to 50 kms without any horn self or hid then disconnect the wire from spark plug and crank the engine using self 19 to 20 times if the performance is same as the first cranking for the 21 first time my battery and regulator are fine)" or while riding (after many kms) self and horns should work whenever you want without showing any weakness.

"so going back to stock with the halogen light is the best for the bike and for my purse also i think so."
Yes without rewinding your coil you cant do anything. Also your stock halogen should be connected to AC and not DC.!!! If you connect your halogen bulb by just removing hid, it will also suck your battery fast, as it is DC.


"is there any difference in the switches used in the bike like ac switches which is ment for the systems running on ac power and dc switches for dc systems"

Contact type switches---> UG2, P135, UG5, 200NS,RS,DUKE, Hero, Honda etc bikes switches. They are just dumb switches. You give AC they transfer AC. You give DC they transfer DC.

Non-contact Switches---> UG3 to UG4.5. Works on DC, having sensors and transfer the signal to BCU. They are not involved in any transfer of voltage/power to indicators or horns or bulbs. It is the BCU that receives signals from Non-contact switches and transfer the voltage/power to bulbs, horns etc.

You have stock UG3 switches and BCU right...????

--->stock UG3-UG4.5 switches work on DC...!!!! Your mechanic is a fool..!!!

--->stock UG4-UG4.5 BCU is designed to work on DC ONLY

--->but stock UG3 BCU take both DC and AC and distribute according to bike needs (like AC to bulbs, DC to indicators, Horns etc). (may be because of this he is suggesting to change switches. switches has nothing to do. They have sensors thats it)

--->HID works on DC.

If your using your bikes stock switches and bikes stock BCU, he will be feeding DC to BCU, which may lead to failure may be in future(As your BCU is AC+DC type and also if you are using more capacity (more than 35w)). From BCU he might be feeding the DC to hid.

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yes i have holidays on Sundays... on that day i have all the work to complete which is kept pending.
i will do the test before the monsoon starts or ill move to stock setup. i need to rectify this problem before the rainy season.

i bought my bike in 2008 and changed the battery in 2014 while installing the hid. upto 2014 i did not have any issue with the battery or any electrical... the only thing bothering was the headlight brightness which was not enough.. i could have moved to a better brightness halogen bulb ..lack of knowledge an my foolishness took me towards HID.

oh okay this is the funda in the switches..
now i get it ...why he replaced my switches with ns200 switches and other bcu. he has converted my ac-dc bike into all dc.
so now my bcu works only with dc, and i cannot go to stock set up with this becoz my headlamps will be working on ac current in stock mode.

so according to this funda of switches

i cannot use this ns200 switches(dont have sensors) with my stock bcu and with this current ns200 switches and bcu(whic only work on dc) i cannot have my headlamps running on ac right?

"If your using your bikes stock switches and bikes stock BCU, he will be feeding DC to BCU, which may lead to failure may be in future(As your BCU is AC+DC type and also if you are using more capacity (more than 35w)). From BCU he might be feeding the DC to hid."

no no i have my stock switches and the bcu with me.
which i have packed and kept aside. ill use it.

hey whats the abbrivation of UG in UG3?

hey while moving to stock mode display,horn,indicator,break light works on dc right and only the parking light ,number plate light ,head lamps work on ac right?

is it possible to switch those pilot lamp ,number plate light to dc ?

Re: HID causing battery drain

"yes i have holidays on Sundays... on that day i have all the work to complete which is kept pending.
i will do the test before the monsoon starts or ill move to stock setup. i need to rectify this problem before the rainy season."

You can give your bike to your friends or relatives (explaining every thing). anyway its your wish. just a suggestion..

UG means Upgrade. UG3-->2006 to 2008 models with AC+DC electricals

mann.. you are saying half-half things. you have P200NS switches(with blue black lit)..??? Any mechanic will use either UG2 or UG5(P135) switches.. Post a pic if possible. Anyway P200NS and P135 switches will have same internals.


There is no point in going back to your stock switches if you have got P200NS switches. You can run them either with AC headlight or DC headight connection (Though backlit leds will be run on DC). I have P135 switches(same as P200NS) and i run my headlamp on AC and also on DC. No problem. As i said "CONTACT TYPE SWITCHES ARE JUST SWITCHES. YOU CAN EITHER PASS AC OR DC"

"no no i have my stock switches and the bcu with me.
which i have packed and kept aside. ill use it."

You dont require them anymore..!!!


i cannot use this ns200 switches(dont have sensors) with my stock bcu and with this current ns200 switches and bcu(whic only work on dc) i cannot have my headlamps running on ac right?

You can use NS200 switches with AC voltage for running headlights and other things. There will be no problem.

You can now do two things.

Case1: go back every thing to stock switches and BCU and use he bike as it is and keep those NS200 switches with you and use them in future bike. Yes they are awesome and even Hornet, CBR150R and other bike owners are looking for the backlit Non-contact type switches

case2: you can use P200NS switches by just removing hid and use normal bulb and make it work on AC

"hey while moving to stock mode display,horn,indicator,break light works on dc right and only the parking light ,number plate light ,head lamps work on ac right?



First Remove Number plate small light. Its of no use. Your number plate is visible even with your bikes brake light. Why wasting extra watts..??

"is it possible to switch those pilot lamp ,number plate light to dc ?"

Yes its possible. Its my current bikes setup. DUMB MECHANICS in my place said its impossible. I HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE...!!!!

My bike setup..> Avenger 180 stator+ Avenger regulator (Stock regulator gone because of more load more Avenger 180 stator)
meter+brake light+pilotlamps(changed to leds so that they consume lesser watts) work on DC
P135 switches. I can say best switches available with cool look and functionality. Even they are used in Dukes..

Halogen lamp(Philips 60/55w) work on AC directly connected to Regulator lighting AC output. So when i switch on all lights switch, Except halogen bulb all lights get on. Now when i start my bike my Halogen bulb will glow. Is this you are asking..??


Pass switch work on DC--> for instant glow while overtaking .
All these are my own mods and i have done on my own using my own knowledge. Using them past 2 years with peace of mind.

I have even rewinded Statorcoil+APE regulator setup, but kept aside for my future bike It too works flawlessly making my bike completly work on DC

Re: HID causing battery drain

I forgot one thing

P200NS or P135 switches are not capable of handling the stock Horns of UG2-UG3 and UG4 (initial model).

if you observe carefully older model pulsars(UG2) and your model have bigger horns compared to latest Pulsar horns(smaller horns).

In my observation, i tried to use my bikes(UG2) horns with P135 switches and the are unable to function properly. so i thought my previous setup(rewinded coil+APE regulator) was not supplying proper voltage or it is faulty. My mechanic Fuc*** has no knowledge about it. He is an ASSHO**

what happened is my setup(rewinded coil+APE regulator) are giving very good voltage but because of horns i am mislead-ed and removed that setup. Actually its very good setup.

So i came to Avenger setup now wasting money. hmm...

If you are going to use all stock (everything) then no need of Horn relay. But if you are going to use P200NS switches. IT IS MANDATORY TO USE HORN RELAY..!!! KEEP IT IN MIND. YOU SHOULD USE IT FOR YOUR BIKES HORNS..!!

If you donot use relay(for 200NS switches) your bikes horns will not function properly as they require heavy power and may also fool you making you to feel that battery is at fault.

The reason is the wiring in P135, P200NS (designed to handle only one horn) switches is very thin. They try to supply power but will heat up internally as more power is transferred than required, and may also cause switch failure in future. (You have to buy whole switch assembly if at all it fails)

But Initially they my work ok for sometime but i am sure they will not support them.

I know this because i use horn regularly. there are many blind cuts and lanes in my city where opposite riders will not have any clue of what is coming. I have been saved by my bikes horns many many times. As i used them regularly the horns used to function abnormallylike when it weak battery. I suspected battery, but it the fault of switches which are unable to deliver the power.

Only UG2 switches are capable of carrying that power (in UG3 it is handle by bcu).

I compare the wire guage of my UG2 switches with p135 switches. loll... They are very thin. UG2 switches wires are thick.


Horn relay costs only 70RS but will give you peace of mind .

Horn relay-->70 RS
Wire--> good wire better 1sqmm required, say 10meters, you can use remaining left wire for other purposes, .
Horn clips--> 4 for horns and 4 for relay

After fixing relay your switch set will be free from transferring high power and will work flawlessly,. The relay will take the duty of transferring that power

Anyway have you ever thought why horns and self, not working because of low battery. ? because of the requirement of heavy power.

Re: HID causing battery drain


hi....

no no i don trust anybody with my bike ...becoz i am not sure that they ill take care of it as i do ... i had given it to my frind fo almost 3 months when i went out of station for work...and when i came back i didnt feel as it was in good condition.

thanks for sharing these with me....i really got to know much more than before.
and about the switches i don know ...ill send u the snaps... he told me that he has installed ns200 switches.

ill keep the present switches an change the lights to ac...i think that's the best..as u have mentioned in case 2


"Halogen lamp(Philips 60/55w) work on AC directly connected to Regulator lighting AC output. So when i switch on all lights switch, Except halogen bulb all lights get on. Now when i start my bike my Halogen bulb will glow. Is this you are asking..??"

yes this is what i was asking... but i got the answer in your message.


my horns were working properly...without any issue...
ur right mine is 2008 model i have big double horns in my bike.. i guess the electrician has installed a relay for that also in my bike..

ill keep your advice in mind while changing the headlights..
i wish i had a little more knowledge above these electrical i could also do the wiring myself...

so i need not change everything to stock...
ill change only the head lights and use the same switches.

after reading these messages i don't know if i can trust that electrician or not...

i knew that self start required heavy power....becoz while kick start also it requires good power.... but horns i didn't know...

now after this much of talking i know what i should do....thanks to you man .... thanks for your time.
ill update u soon...

and about that test(40-50kms ride) i have not done that ...

now from one week i am riding my bike with stock regulator...there is no such issue ...as u have said before my battery is weak... i can feel tat now...while riding during night my hid has started to flicker. i really need to do something fast.

i have a small doubt.. before u said that my stator coil produced half current is used to charge the battery and the other half is used for headlights,now the mechanic has diverted the headlights current also to the battery.
and in the newer models all the produced current is used to charge the battery.

the mechanic has also done the same thing no he has used all the current produced to charge the battery ,then why my battery is spoiled ?
the work of the stator is producing current it should not matter for the stator weather the produced current is going to headlight or battery.
same way the battery should also get charged irrespective of parallel charging or single charging...it should take only the current required for charging right.

for example if i need to rotate a 1ton cylinder with one hp motor ,the 1hp motor cannot do the work so i will bring an 10 hp motor and it will work fine. same way the initial charging was not enough so he has given the parallel charging (means he added some extra power) what did go wrong?

what is the difference between the newer models and the old models?
in some of the pulsar models like RS and AS he has given 2 projector and one projector headlights i guess those bike are all dc and the headlights use in them run on dc current.

is there any difference in the battery of my model and the new model so that the new model has the capacity to store the current to power the headlights.

is it possible if i use the rs model battery in my bike and continue using the hid in my bike?3

or is there any difference between the stator of new model and my model bike?

actually i had googled before installing the hid kit in my bike it clearly stated that the hid kit consumes less power that the halogen bulb..that means i should have a good life from my battery....

Re: HID causing battery drain

Read the answers in bold bro

Re: HID causing battery drain

hi....

guess what.. i changed my bike set up to stock..

now my headlights ,parking lights ,tail lamp and number plate lamp runs on ac current... i.e it lights up when i start the engine.... half of my tension is over ..thanks to u .

he has installed 40/45 watts osram halogen headlight.

now i guess i have a little time to change my battery.

i used the hid with stock regulator for more than a week and one day while i was riding in the night ..the light just disappeared i tried to switch it on again and again no use ...that time i decided its time to got to stock mode.

Headlights coil has dedicated poles and battery cahrging has dedicated poles in your bikes stator. He should combine them in stator itself and use a better Regulator if he wants to do that. But he did Parallel charging which is not a correct way. In worst case your bike may catch fire. Pavanchirmade xbhp member bike caught fire by parallel charging.

hmmm ok ok now i get it ...there is difference in coil winding also in the stator which produces diffrent current for batter and headlights. ...ya i remember i had read that post...i remember he also stated that his regulator had over heating issue also...

How can you or me decide how a battery should work..?? we cant decide right..?? there's some regulations for which a battery should be charged or used. Anyways im here to clear your doubt. No offense.

Battery is designed to take some beating but not Parallel charging. CHARGING SHOULD BE DONE BY ONLY ONE CHARGER.

no no nothing like that ...it was just a doubt. i thought battery was just like a small baby which is always hungry ...and it will take power from where ever possible to recharge again irrespective of the power origin.


Its electricty dude.. Amperes, Voltage. Its pure physics. The mechanic doesnt even know the difference between Voltage, Ampere, Watt, Resistance(ohm). He learned somewhere that it can be done. he implemeneted in your bike. Then why you are facing the trouble if he is correct..???
If your Hid+lights consumes say around 70 watts
the stator+regulator should pump more than 70 watts to support lights as well as charge the battery. I.e; the stator+regulator should pump atleast(example) 5.5 Amps @ 14.2 Volts say at @3.5 to 4 K RPM of bike.
Calculation 5.5 Amps * 14.2 Volts = 78 Watts
so your production is greater than your consumption.
Now your battery will not drain.
As parallel charging is done by two different regulators at different amsp and voltage settings it is highly questionable how much charge the battery is getting. Also its a blunder to charge with two regulators.
Now you have to say does your mechanic know this calculation of electricity charging...??

i too did not have any idea about these things.... got just pass marks in physics.. i hated that subject i did not understand one word of it ... if i had worked a little hard on it in the past i would have a good understanding about it.

i don know how much knowledge the mechanic has...

Your bike has 9Ah battery and i think NS and RS has 8Ah battery. So your battery is more bigger..!! Surprised...??
i had seen it in the work shop ...that is the place where the question comes from

newer model had small size and 8ah battery but could support both the projector lamps ...but mine had 9ah battery and could not support a single hid?

now i know that their stator is modifie and they can support that lights.

by the way whats is 9ah or 8ah?

and do u know anything about the headlight used in AS or RS series...those look like projector to me. do they use halogen bulbs in those projector lights or xenon bulbs inside?
they cant use halogen becoz it produce more heat and there is a chance of melting down...

if the electrican had informed me all these mainly about he stator coil i would not had done the modification at all.
hmmm ....truly said we learn by the mistakes what we do....

after installing the hid couple of guys asked me about the hid...i told them clearly it looks nice on the bike ,,,but visibility to the rider is poor during the rainy season ..so i advised them not to move to hid ...if i knew about this battery drain and stator coil ,,,i would have added that also .

after moving to stock ...as mentioned before he has installed a 40/45 watt bulb ..is this ok?
and when the engine is ideling the brightness of the light decreases...what dose this mean..,is there something wrong with the stator coil ...becoz as for now my headligths are powered directly from stator coil produced current i.e is ac ... dose the dimming of light mean that the coil has become weak and not producing enough power for the lights.
the road visibility with this bulb is also poor.. can u suggest me a good bulb in which i can have good visibility... i haev read that bulbs with 5500kelvin to 6000k bulbs
emit white light and has good visibility...r these bulbs avilable in the market?
i searched for these bulbs on line but all the lights r of 3500kelvin yellow light.

and one more thing... after i purchased my bike i installed led parking lights couple of times...but when ever i installed it it would burn out after couple of days...and when i asked this with the mechanic he told me that ur parking lights run on ac current and as ac current is not steady led burs off ...he told me that led light need steady current and work only on dc current...is it true?

and after some time i moved to hid and as hid also works on dc i told him to convert parking lights also to dc and installed led lights in it and it was working fine for 2 years.

now when i told him to bring everything to stock mode and told him to keep parking lights in dc he said it is not possible to do so..now my parking lights have led ...it acts as same as the headlights ..it lights up when the engine starts running and led dims when in ideling that means my led is also workin on ac right?

so will it burn off after a couple of days?

is there any way from which i can save the led from burning off?


one more doubt ....in the previous set up my yellow red wire which brings ac current to regulator for lighting was split it into 2 and connected it to the new regulator... what if he had connected that splited wires from yellow red wire to the two white blue wires which bought ac current to charge the battery instead of using the new regulator....in this way there was no need of parallel charging right?