Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

[teezam]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Hello Friends,

Facing starting problem with my 650 recently in the cold weather of north. Also earlier rpms used to go up to 15-1600 straight away but now it takes time to build up.
Video of start up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NbH4XG7blS4

Anyone having any idea what can be wrong.

Could be any of the following-
1. Poor choice of engine oil
2. Carbon settlement on headers, injection unit requiring a clean up
3. Weak battery
4. Battery Alternator not charging battery properly or supplying current to the machine (not enough current being supplied)
5. Weak starter motor

Ask them for a thorough check up !!!

[chinmayakar]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Hello Guys!! A belated Happy New Year!!! It has been almost 2 months and 4600 KMs since I got my 2015 colour edition (one with Green rear suspension) Ninja 650. To begin with I had a Ninja 300 before my 650, and like any bikes I had owned in the past, my 300 was customised too to my taste and requirements. However, one fine sunny day in November, I had a never before urge to upgrade to a bigger bike (I am an impulsive buyer, the urge is like an itch). The reasons with which I tried to convince myself were:

1. I am on the wrong side of 30, and I can already feel a lot of pain on a trip as small as 150 KMs on the 300. How am I supposed to tour the country now
2. My wife was getting impatient with my frequent rides and wanted to ride along, but there is no space for a pillion on the 300, and I love my wife very much. Now I need a bike with a good pillion seat and more power to compensate for her weight

Then what, I roamed around Triumph and Kawasaki showroom in Mumbai trying out everything from Bonneville to Z800 to Benelli before landing in Vashi KTM showroom to have a look at the Ninja 650. It wasn't my first choice, however, given my limited budget of 6 lacs, Ninja 650 ticked all the right boxes. Atleast it seemed like it did. Completed the formalities and I got a fresh piece dispatched from the factory and delivered in a week (atleast this is what the Showroom manager said )

650 in its 2015 colour looked great. It looks tall and big. Gets noticed every where and you become an instant celebrity wherever you go. I am used to this having owned a Green Ninja 300 earlier.

I was impressed by the torquey and powerful nature of this motor. I was furthermore impressed with the way she achieves speeds effortlessly. You do 100 Km/hr at as low as 4500 rpm, 6000 rpm sees 130 Km/hr and 10,000 rpm takes you to 200 Km/hr.

However, I also commute on my bike. I dont like to own multiple bikes, one bike should do all. I had some problem initially adjusting to the 200+ Kg weight smooth throttle, smoother clutch, slick gearbox initially in the traffic. I tried to do munch as many kilometers as possible to get used to the weight, power delivery, throttle response and other things. Thus in the process I completed 1000 Kms in just under a week and was at the service centers door-step for my 1st service. Oil, Oil filter replaced, the process of adapting continued. Yes, there were moments when I was frustrated and like a new marriage where you are in doubt if you are with the right partner, I was constantly doubting my decision of getting the 650.

But as days passed, I got used to it, and started loving her more. In under a month I covered 3000 Kms with frequent trips to Lonavala, Charoti and other destinations near Mumbai.

And last week of December I went on the first long tour to Kankavali and Goa on my 650. It was a 1300 KMs round trip covering 4 days with places like Malvan, Tarkarli, Calangute. I had lot of fun on the ride. I was amazed at how fresh I arrived at Kankavali from Mumbai (400 Kms ride). It seemed like I could continue riding all the way to Bangalore. This was a new experience coming from Ninja 300, Duke 200, Pulsar 220. Add to that impressive fuel economy of 25 to 28 kmpl. She attains speeds real quick, is fun to weave through traffic and the stability on highways is awesome.

Today while I complete 2 months and 4600 Kms of ownership it feels fantastic. I no longer doubt my choice. And this is why I decided to go ahead with the mods on my 650 like my earlier bikes. The list of mods include:

1. Metzeler's (stock size, M7 at the rear and M5 at the front)
2. Ohlins rear suspension
3. PZRacing Gear indicator
4. Light weight Aluminium rear sprocket
5. TechSpec tank pads and knee grips
6. Spider handle grips

While I am truly sorry for the long write up, I will let the below pics speak up for themselves

[Deathwing]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

2012 er6f decent condition 3.2 lakhs, good deal?

[Aashi]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Hello Friends,

Facing starting problem with my 650 recently in the cold weather of north. Also earlier rpms used to go up to 15-1600 straight away but now it takes time to build up.
Video of start up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NbH4XG7blS4

Anyone having any idea what can be wrong.

[JN8304]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

here you go - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/showthread.php?t=24815
A Green Affair! Starring Kawasaki Ninja 650

[Deathwing]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Sachin sir has already given a very comprehensive expense list a few posts back. You can also find it in a thread about living with a superbike thread..

Please link me, not able to find any related threads.

[drdanishkhannew.540]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Sachin sir has already given a very comprehensive expense list a few posts back. You can also find it in a thread about living with a superbike thread..

[Deathwing]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Hey guys I like to know the average expense on service n all , on the er6f, read else where benelli's average cost is around 6k, I have shortlisted primarily 4 bikes as my next bike 1)ninja650r,2)benelli 600i, 3)CBR 650f, 4)z800. There is considerable price difference from the former 2 and latter 2 but I'm jus kept them as options, I have the immediate option of picking up a 2nd hand ninja from a friend, soo like to know the over expenditure on service, cheers!

[Odeen12]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Exactly my thought. I thought the same, more air means more lean. But wouldn't ECU kick in to inject more fuel? Sorry if that sounds stupid. Anyways, this weekend I am installing Pipercross and PCV.

This is what Dynojet had to say about my issue, I am hoping thats not the case.

I guess the ECU should rectify the problem. But the thing is the map you have is a generically derived by the manufacturer. So the values are set irrespective of the conditions you ride or the quality of fuel you have.
To make changes to that you would need something like a PC5 and auto tune to make those minute and necessary changes in every cell. So as to make the bike run richer in lower gears etc.

About what the Dynojet guys have written i wouldn't be able to comment on that. You will probably need to speak to guys at Kawasaki and figure how it works. Don't have a clue there.

Cheers

[chinmayakar]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Absolutely right about bikes running lean at certain rpms. And hence all motorcycles suffer from this problem.
Umm, a free flow filter might actually make the bike run more leaner as more air to goof things up I guess. But that's me just putting two and two together. If there was the option of a dyno that would have helped but then we don't have them or do we? I don't know.
Like I said the PC5 is good as long as you know what you doing. Get the auto tune module as well. It will help further.

Exactly my thought. I thought the same, more air means more lean. But wouldn't ECU kick in to inject more fuel? Sorry if that sounds stupid. Anyways, this weekend I am installing Pipercross and PCV.

This is what Dynojet had to say about my issue, I am hoping thats not the case.

[Odeen12]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Hi! Thanks for the advice. I did little bit of reading around this issue, and it seems a lot of 650 owners face this issue. Reason is 650 is tuned to run very lean at 3000 rpm to meet emission norms across various countries.
Going by this logic a PCV should help by helping it run rich. I will be replacing the air filter this weekend with PiperCross. Do you think this should help?

Absolutely right about bikes running lean at certain rpms. And hence all motorcycles suffer from this problem.
Umm, a free flow filter might actually make the bike run more leaner as more air to goof things up I guess. But that's me just putting two and two together. If there was the option of a dyno that would have helped but then we don't have them or do we? I don't know.
Like I said the PC5 is good as long as you know what you doing. Get the auto tune module as well. It will help further.

[chinmayakar]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

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Hi! Thanks for the advice. I did little bit of reading around this issue, and it seems a lot of 650 owners face this issue. Reason is 650 is tuned to run very lean at 3000 rpm to meet emission norms across various countries.
Going by this logic a PCV should help by helping it run rich. I will be replacing the air filter this weekend with PiperCross. Do you think this should help?

[Odeen12]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Now when I need to get back on the throttle, no matter how gently I feather the throttle, there will be a really bad jerk/lurch. I've tried adjusting lots of stuff (chain tension, throttle freeplay, clutch play, idling etc.) and nothing fixes it. The only way to smoothly accelerate out of this is to feather the clutch which I do when I have a passenger.

I also had a Ninja 300 and it did not do this. It was super smooth in all RPM range as compared to the 650. So while I can't say for certain, I doubt it's due my ability to smoothly control the throttle.

Now I wonder either (1) this is inherent to this bike due to the high low end torque or just engine design, or (2) perhaps it's a mapping issue. I'd assume that a PCV with a different mapping can fix (2).

PCV does it improve/fix this?

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

Check your throttle bodies. Sometimes the issue could be fueling and part is ignition advance. You might be running leaner at the lower gears and hence the problem. May be getting more fuel in there in the initial bits will help. If its richer that would help smooth things out. Getting that correct will get the transition smoother. Also retarding the engine a little might help.
Yes a Power commander will help. But with the PC5 you should also get the Autotune. AFR will play a major role here. Now the other problem is tinkering around with maps. There are so many variables attached. You will have to log every change, see what works and save that. Its a continuous process which will take time. And honestly i don't know who can help you with mapping this correctly, unless you want to dig deep and take that risk.
Hope this helps. Probably you could speak to the guys at Kawasaki.

[HyperRetard]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Hi Guys!! Sorry didnt see a separate ownership thread for Ninja 650, unless we have the same thread for both 650 & 650R. I finally moved on from my beloved Ninja 300 to 2015 model Ninja 650. I have done 1400 KMs in last 15 days of ownership and I have noticed a peculiar pattern. Hope owners can help in addressing it.

A line about the way I use my bike, I use it for literally everything, commute, tour, buying milk, going for a hair cut, dropping wife to office, dropping kid to shool. She goes every where. Never liked the idea of having multiple bikes for multiple purposes. However, coming back to the point.

Say I'm cruising at 30 kmph in 1st gear at around 3000 rpm and I slow down and let off the throttle.

Now when I need to get back on the throttle, no matter how gently I feather the throttle, there will be a really bad jerk/lurch. I've tried adjusting lots of stuff (chain tension, throttle freeplay, clutch play, idling etc.) and nothing fixes it. The only way to smoothly accelerate out of this is to feather the clutch which I do when I have a passenger.

I also had a Ninja 300 and it did not do this. It was super smooth in all RPM range as compared to the 650. So while I can't say for certain, I doubt it's due my ability to smoothly control the throttle.

Now I wonder either (1) this is inherent to this bike due to the high low end torque or just engine design, or (2) perhaps it's a mapping issue. I'd assume that a PCV with a different mapping can fix (2).

PCV does it improve/fix this?

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

Congrats.

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Saw a UP14 ninja 650 in Amritsar yesterday. Anyone from here?

[padfootmoony2006]

Re: Ninja 650R - Ownership Thread

Hey buddy....me too have a utility just like yours....everything!
Even i feel the bike has some jerks in low gears like 1-2-3. Post 3rd gear is butter smooth...!
Also gear shifts in the 1-2-3 range are a little harsh.

Im done with my 1st service....! But id make a visit to the SVC soon to get it checked!