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  • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

    Originally posted by Skanda View Post
    Great explanation! I have done decarb for my car using water spray, as you said in very little quantity and by pulling the throttle cable to keep the rpm high. I made sure to use spray bottle, which helps the water entering the chamber to be almost in mist condition, so that the chances of hydrolock is nill. The results were amazing. I used tiny endoscope camera through sprak plug hole to see before and after effects of decarb which surprised me. Service center charges upwards of 1.5K for decarb sessions which is a simple DIY job. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures saved.

    I was curious if anyone has actually tried it on D390? TB cleaner really helped me to keep the rpm stable couple of times and also instantly reduced vibrations. I also had to get the TB cleaned at service center once, to get the idle rpm fixed which was erratic.

    I poked the camera through D390 spark plug hole and I already see some carbon deposit on the piston head, though not much which should make one worry. However, my 19.5K run D390 has more carbon deposit than 98K run car which confused me. Due to high compression, the deposit should have been actually low. I can only imaging how is the deposit on intake valve when the piston head itself have some deposit.I recently changed the spark plug to NKG which should help reduce the build up. Due to high compression ratio of D390, is it safe to use water spray Or is it better not to fix which is not broken?
    It all comes down to the blow-by and the yes the actual combusion itself. If you did notice, most of the gum up and gunk actually happens behind the valves, where they get cooled and condensed to form gunk. This in turn reduces the fresh charge coming in and over time, gum up even more. This water trick actually burns off this along with the cylinder head and piston head carbon deposits to an extent, and it can be done on any vehicle that has an internal combustion engine.

    If you're using the de-carb spray for your 390, go ahead, use it till it's used up completely, and then follow this process every 5 to 6k kms.

    I did want to clarify that a high compression engine doesn't mean it would have less carbon deposits, a high compression engine can knock as easily and this in turn forms can form carbon deposits, so..

    Cheers!
    VJ
    Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
    The girl said, 'NO!'


    And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


    THE END

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    • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

      First of all, sorry for the late reply gentlemen.

      Originally posted by s1d View Post
      do run it in for a few 100km to break in the new rings.
      get the official diag tool connected and checked at the svc for the right info on error codes and fix accordingly.
      i am guessing either the tps or idle control stepper motor might be causing the idling issue.
      if possible compare the values from the official diag tool, with readings from another 390 of same model yr.
      The idling is fine. But the starting is erratic. The bike starts perfectly the first time but if I turn it off and start again it does not start. It just keeps cranking and starts only if the throttle is opened. That too after repeated tries. Went for a 100 km ride last Sunday and everything felt good, and the good thing was that it never turned off when I changed gears from third to second. It used to happen at least 3 or 4 times but not even once this time. I guess the throttle body cleaning really worked.

      Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
      Welcome back Raju. I'll try to be as brief as possible, starting with the valve clearances. They are perfect, nothing to fiddle with. Secondly, I did go through the entire video of the diag, and it seems everything's as it should be. The fan kicks in rightly at 96 degrees and turns off at 90 odd, so your cooling system is working as it's should be. Rest of the readings are sensitive to throttle inputs, as they vary according to the RPM.

      Coming to the temperature values, those values are absolutely fine, nothing to worry about. You have more reading on the cylinder surface, even more higher on the exhaust bend pipe and fluctuating readings on the radiator once the fan kicks. With an IR thermo, you can practically see the radiator cooling as the fan kicks in, so again you're perfect on the temperature part.

      Rings, like piston do need to bed in, but not as how a piston is bedded in, you can rev the engine freely, hit top whack. Make sure the engine isn't highly revved where the ECM kicks in to cut the RPM. Yes, mild leaks in the piston where the air bled off during the bench test, and your lovely piston skirt test with ratios confirms it. My advice would have been to have replaced the piston along with the rings, considering the bore inner diameter was within spec.


      Did you check the compression ratio before and after the rings were installed? Ideal compression ratio should definitely be above 190 psi which would mean 13 to 14 kg/cm2. Near 100 or lesser than 100 psi would mean, we have blowby loss, which is attributed to the worn piston rings and a piston skirt that's values are off by a good margin, which would mean replacement of either the rings or piston with rings, it's usually the latter that's the best course of action.

      I'd suggest you to check your compression, that's first, both warm and cold.
      Secondly, was your throttle body and injector considered an overhaul for cleaning.

      Lovely work as always.

      Here's a link for you.

      Where I've answered query on a similar line.



      Hope it helps!

      Keep your observations posted.

      Cheers!
      VJ
      Thanks for checking the video and confirming Vijay sir. Went for a long ride last Sunday and the temps were all OK.Except for starting issue the bike felt good. No more vibrations on the foot pegs. I also did a compression test(warm and cold) and I got a value of 30 psi. Will a bike even start with 30 psi compression? I tried it with the throttle open and the air filter out but still only 30 psi. I'm confused here. I went through the thread and looks like 5.5 bars(79psi) is the accepted value for the duke with decompression lever. I always get around 2 bars(30psi). Didn't do a wet test.

      I also cleaned the throttle body and injector(battery and spray method) completely. Removed all the sensors and cleaned all the ports.

      You are right about the piston though. I should've replaced it while I had the chance. This is a project for next month if things don't improve.

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      • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

        Originally posted by raju22 View Post

        Thanks for checking the video and confirming Vijay sir. Went for a long ride last Sunday and the temps were all OK.Except for starting issue the bike felt good. No more vibrations on the foot pegs. I also did a compression test(warm and cold) and I got a value of 30 psi. Will a bike even start with 30 psi compression? I tried it with the throttle open and the air filter out but still only 30 psi. I'm confused here. I went through the thread and looks like 5.5 bars(79psi) is the accepted value for the duke with decompression lever. I always get around 2 bars(30psi). Didn't do a wet test.

        I also cleaned the throttle body and injector(battery and spray method) completely. Removed all the sensors and cleaned all the ports.

        You are right about the piston though. I should've replaced it while I had the chance. This is a project for next month if things don't improve.
        Hi Raju, great to hear from you. The reason your bike is struggling to start after the engine has warmed up can be due to a faulty exhaust valve decompressor arm? I am guessing it so. Summating from it, it can be normal wear and tear on the exhaust cam and the decompressor arm which can cause the starting issue once the engine is heated up or requiring a little gas. I'd recommend you to check your decompressor mechanism along with the replacement of the piston on the forthcoming project.

        Cheers!
        VJ
        Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
        The girl said, 'NO!'


        And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


        THE END

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        • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

          replaced finally after 14800 kms ,
          service centre didn't care to replace.
          finally after odd 2 hours.
          got it done with tool kitClick image for larger version

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          • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

            Originally posted by blak bandit 350cc View Post
            replaced finally after 14800 kms ,
            service centre didn't care to replace.
            finally after odd 2 hours.
            got it done with tool kit
            Great that you've replaced your fuel filter after such a long interval. What I'd suggest is, KTM sells the service kit that includes, oil filter with O ring, air filter and inline fuel filter, costs 550~ rupees approximately, which I'd have recommended at this juncture. Nevertheless, I'd recommend you to replace your air filter, spark plug and clean your throttle body if feasible.

            Cheers!
            VJ
            Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
            The girl said, 'NO!'


            And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


            THE END

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            • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

              Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
              Great that you've replaced your fuel filter after such a long interval. What I'd suggest is, KTM sells the service kit that includes, oil filter with O ring, air filter and inline fuel filter, costs 550~ rupees approximately, which I'd have recommended at this juncture. Nevertheless, I'd recommend you to replace your air filter, spark plug and clean your throttle body if feasible.

              Cheers!
              VJ
              air filter I changed thrice.
              for throttle body if anybody knows about the DIY ,please let me.know

              service centre charges alot and plus their work is in hurry .
              if no DIY then I will get it done at service centre.
              BLAKBANDIT

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              • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                Originally posted by blak bandit 350cc View Post
                replaced finally after 14800 kms ,
                service centre didn't care to replace.
                finally after odd 2 hours.
                got it done with tool kit[ATTACH]248902[/ATTACH]
                The recommended interval is 15k only.
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                • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                  Originally posted by Imam Jafer Ali View Post
                  The recommended interval is 15k only.
                  no,5000 kms it must he changed for better fuel flow.
                  BLAKBANDIT

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                  • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                    Originally posted by blak bandit 350cc View Post
                    replaced finally after 14800 kms ,
                    service centre didn't care to replace.
                    finally after odd 2 hours.
                    got it done with tool kit
                    Google throttle body cleaning for the Duke 390. If you're a DIY guy, it's pretty much easy. If you find you lack the tools or worried about the finer details, your SVC can do it for you.

                    Cheers!
                    VJ
                    Last edited by B7ACKTHORN; 04-06-2019, 09:49 PM.
                    Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                    The girl said, 'NO!'


                    And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                    THE END

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                    • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                      So while coming back from work today I hit a pothole. Must be riding at a speed of 40-50 but because it was a nasty one I got home and checked the rims and found them to be bent from two different regions on either side of the tyre.

                      Is this a quality issue? Has anyone faced a similar situation? What other damage I should be wary of? Solutions? Please help.Click image for larger version

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                      • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                        hi, i've been reading some of the posts in here, but i never posted one before...

                        i was wondering, is there any possible or anyone in here who sold the parts online? a recommended seller maybe?

                        ps. just got my brembo attached, feels nice when you hit the lever... but still need some small adjustment on the bolts placement...

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                          Originally posted by airazen View Post
                          hi, i've been reading some of the posts in here, but i never posted one before...

                          i was wondering, is there any possible or anyone in here who sold the parts online? a recommended seller maybe?

                          ps. just got my brembo attached, feels nice when you hit the lever... but still need some small adjustment on the bolts placement...
                          I'm afraid, our members don't sell anything specifically high end components for the Duke, apart from radiator guards, crash bars and nitty-gritty. You have a wide variety of offerings abroad and from international sellers. Coming to your Brembo caliper, is that a genuine caliper or are these the first copy ones? I haven't come across such a design. What was the cost and which pads are you using stock or upgraded, do post some details on the pad setup and the rotor setup.

                          Originally posted by TheBandit View Post
                          So while coming back from work today I hit a pothole. Must be riding at a speed of 40-50 but because it was a nasty one I got home and checked the rims and found them to be bent from two different regions on either side of the tyre.

                          Is this a quality issue? Has anyone faced a similar situation? What other damage I should be wary of? Solutions? Please help.
                          It isn't a quality issue per se, these things happen on almost all Dukes, given the wrong circumstances unfortunately. These things happen due to the extremely low sidewall thickness of the tire. Mild bends can be tinkered with, but I don't recommend them as hammering can lead to poor structural integrity of alloy even more. You can get them mended at a tire walla, albeit with the pain of losing some paint, as some heat and hammer, and some just hammer it out.

                          There shouldn't be any other damage apart from this. Do check your steering freeplay just in case, sometimes they can damage the steering bearings and induce a grabby feeling, but that's worse case scenario. Get it checked at your SVC as a precautionary measure. Keep your observations posted.

                          Cheers!
                          VJ
                          Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                          The girl said, 'NO!'


                          And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                          THE END

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                          • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                            Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                            I'm afraid, our members don't sell anything specifically high end components for the Duke, apart from radiator guards, crash bars and nitty-gritty. You have a wide variety of offerings abroad and from international sellers. Coming to your Brembo caliper, is that a genuine caliper or are these the first copy ones? I haven't come across such a design. What was the cost and which pads are you using stock or upgraded, do post some details on the pad setup and the rotor setup.



                            It isn't a quality issue per se, these things happen on almost all Dukes, given the wrong circumstances unfortunately. These things happen due to the extremely low sidewall thickness of the tire. Mild bends can be tinkered with, but I don't recommend them as hammering can lead to poor structural integrity of alloy even more. You can get them mended at a tire walla, albeit with the pain of losing some paint, as some heat and hammer, and some just hammer it out.

                            There shouldn't be any other damage apart from this. Do check your steering freeplay just in case, sometimes they can damage the steering bearings and induce a grabby feeling, but that's worse case scenario. Get it checked at your SVC as a precautionary measure. Keep your observations posted.

                            Cheers!
                            VJ
                            Hi VJ, yes you're right, as for the high end parts, i can find it online, but i'm looking for an OEM parts, i live in Indonesia, there is so much dealers in here, but for some of the parts, they still hard to find...

                            For the brembo's caliper, they are genuine, 100 mm pitch caliper, ex. ducati to be exact, with stock pads, right now, i'm still waiting from my friends to let me borrow his Brembo M4 and M50, i hope i can use the same bracket with different kind of calipers...

                            As for the front rotor disc, i'm using a 320 mm chinesium that i found on aliexpress...

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                            • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                              Originally posted by airazen View Post
                              Hi VJ, yes you're right, as for the high end parts, i can find it online, but i'm looking for an OEM parts, i live in Indonesia, there is so much dealers in here, but for some of the parts, they still hard to find...

                              For the brembo's caliper, they are genuine, 100 mm pitch caliper, ex. ducati to be exact, with stock pads, right now, i'm still waiting from my friends to let me borrow his Brembo M4 and M50, i hope i can use the same bracket with different kind of calipers...

                              As for the front rotor disc, i'm using a 320 mm chinesium that i found on aliexpress...
                              Appreciate the heads up airazen. You're in part of the world that it is extremely mod friendly and there ain't dearth of after market spares and knock-offs, and the good part is they work well to an extent. Do keep your observations posted. And yes, coupled with those lovely calipers a good radial master cylinder would go well too. My opinion honestly would be that you get great stuff there, keep search a little bit, and you'll eventually end up with a good el cheapo deal from your country itself.

                              Cheers!
                              VJ
                              Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                              The girl said, 'NO!'


                              And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                              THE END

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                              • Re: KTM Duke 390 - Ownership Reviews and Experiences

                                Hi B7ACKTHORN,
                                Thanks for your message. Was wondering if KTM doesn't test these extensively in the Indian conditions. I haven't really faced this issue with any other bikes that I have ridden over the years.

                                Also going by our roads even if you hit the potholes at a low speed it's really disheartening to see the impact it leaves on the tyre/rim. Is there a permanent solution to this? Better tyres/aftermarket parts?

                                Parallel another issue has resurfaced in the rear tyre. I have noticed a bulge on one of the sides. Fighting with the OEM/SVC to change it FOC since it's still under warranty.

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