I have not noticed any remarkable differance in vibes. The 37T would have made final drive ratio 2.84. Must be lot of drop in acceleration.

I got 14T sprocket from fellow spares shop owner for Rs.50/-. It was removed from fiero F2, which he sold in form of spares. The sprocket was in good shape, and installed by that fellow before 1000-2000kms only.


My RTR is Carb, I rode for 3 hrs with headlamp ON, then also no prob of battery draining. Even it was taking load of starter also. And even battery drains out, the headlamp won't go OFF, as there is supply from magneto for charging of the battery.

If it was so good, half of the XBHP members would have installed it. TVS and YAMAHA would have installed it in factory itself. Bajaj would have filed patent on it. And how pressure regulator/pump (whatever it may be), without any sensors and control can sense wheel locked? ABS is not so easy.
If it lowers brake pressure, The only thing it will do is poor quality braking.

ok thats great that you rode headlights on for 3 hours so it seems its fine, but if the battery is drained then i guess it will not light up headlights anymore , dunno its like i had done it with my lml freedom 125 bike and it was like while the battery was drained after 1.3 hours i had to switch over the power to magneto , may be rtr charging system is better for sure great .

Freedom has smaller battery (i think its 5Ah). and magneto 85w. RTR has 9Ah battery and 100W magneto. Thats why.
I had installed extra fog lamps on my Bro's Freedom Prima 125. which i connected parallel to headlamp. They used to dim the headlamp.

Did any one install any kind of tank protector in RTR, if please post pic here.

welll ppl its nt that bad a product...all it does is that if the flow of fluid is stopped , the pump or the unit makes sure the fluid flow is maintained... nt to bad product u ask me...

I use a standard Keiti Tank Pad (from DSG) on almost all my bikes

Yo man! I never said its bad!

I just said err... its kinda spreading like SPAM with the wrong info!
ABS usually work in coordination in front and rear, this doesnt....

I use the BAJAJ tank pad on the RTR and R15. May not look good, but who the hell cares as long it solves the problem. Plus it costs damn cheap at ~100 bucks(IIRC)!!

It is DEFNITELY a bad product! All it really is is a pressure valve which releases hydraulic pressure on the calipers beyond a certain set pressure point. This can be very dangerous in moments of emergency braking when you find the bike suddenly NOT braking as you expect it to.

true abs must have an ecu or some sort of computer AND a wheel-speed sensor which detects when a wheel is about to lock. then the ecu can instruct a valve to release pressure on the wheel that's about to lock. not this half-baked, preset pressure valve nonsense.

abs implementation is very different for bikes as compared to cars and there are a whole lot of different aspects to consider when you have only two wheels instead of four. an example could be that a simple abs implementation in a four wheeler would be to compare wheel speeds and if one wheel is suddenly moving at a different speed than the other three, there is a traction problem with that wheel and it could either be locking or spinning depending on the conditions. so the tcs/abs kicks in with the appropriate corrections. in a bike however, this may be better implemented with an analysis of rotation vs time, so if the braking wheel is suddenly decelerating at a much faster rate than 'normal' braking, it could be headed for a lock.

I remember reading a respected bike journalist's (roland brown?) review on a bmw equipped with abs. when taking a particular turn, he was braking really hard when the abs kicked in and reduced brake pressure. he overshot the turn and hit the kerb resulting in a broken front wheel. could have been much worse. what he said was that all his years of experience and riding skill meant he was pretty sure that he could brake to the point of locking and get away with it. but the abs screwed his plans bigtime.

my point is that humans are pretty good in certain aspects and we don't need damn machines doing our jobs for us. and especially in the indian biking scenario, we need to stop obsessing over gimmick laden, feature-packed two-wheelers and instead ask for bikes that are just good bikes.

I agree, which is you and me would not want to have it....
This is something which will help the noobs who are new to technique to use the Disc brakes. For people who pump in the brakes rather than just pushing it like gas pedal this is useless!

As far as Mr. Rolands bad experience is concerned with 'Proper ABS', I disagree with it. Its a change which riders need to get accustomed too.
I do agree nothing replaces human skill, but then again this is not trying to replace skill, but help the not so skilled people come up the curve!

There are cases off accident that I know of which were fatal because of freaking air bags, but they dont make them 'a bad' product!

@Aparjit:
Dont you find that eeny weeny tank pad funny! I personally call it the bikini tank pad!
I usually prefer a tank pad which is atleast palm sized midway... (nothing to do with my pot belly though :P )

If it isn't too much trouble, could you guys please post pics of the tank pad? Just wanna see how it looks on RTR

Thats not true, All ABS does is detecting the wheel lock the releasing the pressure on brakes to avoid a wheel getting locked on braking.

What you & others have mentioned is EBD i.e. Electronic Brake Distribution

Ah I may be wrong!

@Nithant: Am too lazy and tied to my bed since yesterday due to ill health, so its difficult for me to go and get the pic

Heres one from the old one!

what makes you think you and me are super-skilled as compared to these 'noobs' ? using crap technology concepts to 'assist' learning riders will ensure that they NEVER learn the right stuff. we were noobs once too.

and if you think we can reach roland brown's skill levels by riding the crap we have in india, you're sadly mistaken.

i repeat, air bags and abs and seatbelts are must-have safety features for cars. it is very different for bikes. i'm curious to know more about the fatalities caused by airbags. please gimme a link or something if you can. they are called SRS (supplementary restraint system) airbags which means they work together with seatbelts to reduce the effects of a crash. relying on an airbag without a seatbelt is suicidal.

i remember when the cbz first came out. went to take a test ride. the mech who handed over the bike said 'saab yeh disk brake bahut danger hain. accha nahin hain. drum brake hi sahi tha'. lol. we all have the capacity to learn. but some things, especially like this crap product, reduce that capacity. i want to know how they got a licence/patent to call it abs. wait, bajaj got a patent for twin spark plugs ... nevermind

how does abs 'detect' a wheel lock? the ecu gets a message from the wheel-speed sensor (diff from the speedo before anyone asks lol) and deducts that a lock is about to take place. this product has neither ecu nor speed sensor = crap 'abs'

Thanks very much sandybaba