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  • Couldn't stop myself thinking about it hence posting consecutive posts. And I can be hundred percent wrong in my understanding.
    Using last year's setting doesn't not necessarily mean not developing the bike. If you have been following Alex_Briggs on twitter long enough, he has very well explained the things they do in "setting up" the bike (will try to dig in and post those tweets later)
    Most of it I don't remember but He talked about the setting being the three corners of a triangle of 1 the Rider 2 the CG of the bike and something else (sorry about forgetting it )
    But my point is going back to old setting doesn't mean "undeveloping" the bike.

    Developing the bike is done by the factory engineers. The team and the rider would then work on the bike to make it best suitable to the rider and in this process collecting all the data and then giving feedback to the engineers so that the engineers can come up with a better bike (engine, chassis, etc).
    Now who passes on the information, back to the factory, well is the actual debate.


    Edit: Okay got the tweets. It is about adjusting the balance of the bike:
    Balance 101: Ok. Try and stay with me. I'm going 2 call the bike a triangle. The top of the triangle is the center of gravity (COG) of the bike. So somwhere around where the riders knee is. The bottom corners of the triangle are the front tire contact patch & the rear contact patch. Now let's say the COG at the top of the triangle is in the middle, this means the front & rear wheel has equal weight when the bike is stationary. Now if u want 2 place more weight on the rear then u need 2 move the rear contact patch towards the front & more under the COG. U can do this a few ways. Cont
    U can also move the rider forward or reward but this is somthing that once u get him comfortable their is not much point stuffing with it. Now one thing I haven't told u about is when the bike is under acceleration or braking. Things start getting interesting with regard 2 weight balance. I might leave that 4 another night. (Depends how this goes over!).
    By using a shorter swing arm, by taking a link out of the chain or by changing the gearbox so the rear sprocket is bigger. But there are other ways of putting more weight on the rear. Buy moving the front wheel contact patch forward by changing the adjustable front geometry. So picture the triangle now. Either way gives u more of the available weight on the rear tire. All this in reverse will put weight on the front tire. Are u still with me? ......hello....are u there........
    Last edited by TheRedPill; 07-05-2011, 07:38 PM.

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    • Originally posted by TenHut View Post
      All hail Rossi !
      I wanna see that Stoner Abraham video too..but i doubt if such a video was even shot...but then if they can smuggle out saddams video of death by hanging they can smuggle this too :P
      I would pay to see that video.

      No extreme Rossi fanboyism as far as I have seen though have spotted a couple of 46s and Bend it like Rossi in this thread. Ben Spies by the way is underrated.
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      • Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post
        Couldn't stop myself thinking about it hence posting consecutive posts. And I can be hundred percent wrong in my understanding.
        Using last year's setting doesn't not necessarily mean not developing the bike. If you have been following Alex_Briggs on twitter long enough, he has very well explained the things they do in "setting up" the bike (will try to dig in and post those tweets later)
        Most of it I don't remember but He talked about the setting being the three corners of a triangle of 1 the Rider 2 the CG of the bike and something else (sorry about forgetting it )
        But my point is going back to old setting doesn't mean "undeveloping" the bike.
        Precisely my point...knowing what to do, when to do is a big part of developing a bike. Reverting to a few old things means nothing but finding the right mixture...not "un-developing" the bike.
        Last edited by TenHut; 07-05-2011, 09:16 PM.
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        • Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post
          Reverting back to a year ago setting is developing a bike, ? may be you have different meaning for the word developing .Please be precise when you say few things. Setup and Chasis parts from 2010 are FEW things???

          but some are always better than others
          Did nt want to get involved in this as most of Rossi fan boys never seem to agree with the reality !

          DEVELOPING : " Here in a rider s context is not giving the team a engineering solution ! It is just to give the precise feed back of what s happening when something is changed ( Setup/balance/engine power delivery/tires/weight distribution) and to say when he will be comfortable to go fast "

          Rossi or Lorenzo can t say use the SAE 20 grade material for lower flex ! They can just say the bike is not stable while braking hard and the rebound is abrupt ! The engineers do the development !

          If you change the power delivery alone the bike's character changes a lot ! Read about the difference between screamer engine and big bang engine and how they lay down the power !

          If Yamaha has not changed a single thing regarding the engine too ! The conditions would be different right from air temperature track temperature and of course the improved tires !

          And Rossi is brilliant at identifying what he needs ! If Rossi was the God of development the 2006 chassis chatter fiasco and Nicky would nt have happened ! Sometimes the engg solutions don t work and sometimes the riders don t know what they exactly want ( Current situation at Ducati )

          From today's riders !

          Colin Edwards : Might not be the fastest but sure knows what the hell is a GP bike all about ! He sorted and lot o stuff for Yamaha and Bridgestone and the Tech 3 Moto2 ! Don t be surprised if he stays arnd for one more year !

          Rossi : Brilliant but his lack of knowledge on CF is hurting him and imagine riding all your life on Aluminum based 125 250 and GP bikes and then riding something completely unconventional !

          Stoner/Spies : Ride anything fast and change according to what the bike wants. Example ( Spies 2009 WSBK champ while the other Yamaha finished mostly out of the top ten and his riding style of dropping the elbow is just nt here on the GP bikes ) These 2 can t be great development riders

          Lorenzo : Its a bike in which he started his career ! He adapted to the bike right out of the 250s when he did nt even know what a GP bike is and now he knows what should be changed to extract the most of the bike and credit should go to Ramon farcoda ( have i spelt it right ? ) too !
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          • Nice article, old one tho........

            Faster and Faster: Jeremy Burgess: ‘Valentino develops the bike, the other guy just rides it!’

            ok , there's another person equally important for the M1s success.......


            You cannot deny the fact that Colin Edwards has a new found strength since joining the Yamaha satellite team Tech3. The YZR-M1, which was developed with substantial input from Valentino Rossi, has found further refinement in the Monster Tech3 garage with the help from Edwards. Already known as a good


            Alas, not Lorenzo. as Sumit said, we'd have to wait till next year.(Hope colin quits and moves to Suzuki or something...)

            @suren, 2006,wasnt it a great fight by Rossi where he was leading the championship on the final race of the season?(I knw we are speaking wid respect to development..).Well he did HELP resolving the chatter probs,.didnt. 'Not in 80 secs tho':P
            Plus, there's more reason why Hayden won the championship that year.

            Not@suren(Got outta loop??)
            Talking abt Rossi adapting his riding style for his Ducati to work?
            Rossi's won on 500 2-stokes, 990 4 strokes, 800cc 4 strokes, this show he's changed so much according to the ride he gets,doesnt it?

            ................
            P.S.: Forgot Stoner:- Stoner is a worst person in terms of bike development..... Had collected some data regarding this. I was about to post but would be pelted by stones , would post that after Rossi starts winning.......
            Last edited by Braumabull; 07-06-2011, 10:54 AM.
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            • Originally posted by Braumabull View Post
              Stoner is a worst person in terms of bike development..... Had collected some data regarding this. I was about to post but would be pelted by stones , would post that after Rossi starts winning.......
              there are 1373 posts in this thread... no Stoner fans here...

              you are safe... post away.
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              • Originally posted by Braumabull View Post

                @suren, 2006,wasnt it a great fight by Rossi where he was leading the championship on the final race of the season?(I knw we are speaking wid respect to development..)
                Plus, there's more reason why Hayden won the championship that year.
                Rossi was a lot unlucky also tht year.
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                • Originally posted by xionite View Post
                  there are 1373 posts in this thread... no Stoner fans here...

                  you are safe... post away.
                  There are anti-rossi tho........
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                  • Okay Rossi Fanboyism got into me (please don't beat me ).
                    In my free time I created this Google Chrome Theme which I am using now. Thought I would share it here too.

                    Screenshot of the theme.

                    Check it out if you use chrome for your browsing and give feedback.

                    I am trying to upload this in the google webstore but it is giving some error hence here is how to install the theme file.



                    How to install:
                    • Download the zip file (RossiDucati.zip). You might have to rename the downloaded file to .zip
                    • Unzip the contents. You will find a .crx file
                    • Open Chrome browser and drag the .crx file into it.
                    • Browser will show you a warning sign. You can click continue and the theme will be applied.
                    PS: Don't worry about the warning. It's a theme and won't do anything malicious. Chrome gives this warning as the source of the .crx file is not known to the browser.
                    Please PM me for questions, feedback, etc.
                    Best viewed in 1280x1024 resolution.
                    Last edited by TheRedPill; 07-06-2011, 03:25 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post
                      Okay Rossi Fanboyism got into me (please don't beat me ).
                      In my free time I created this Google Chrome Theme which I am using now. Thought I would share it here too.

                      Screenshot of the theme.

                      Check it out if you use chrome for your browsing and give feedback.

                      I am trying to upload this in the google webstore but it is giving some error hence here is how to install the theme file.



                      How to install:
                      • Download the zip file (RossiDucati.zip). You might have to rename the downloaded file to .zip
                      • Unzip the contents. You will find a .crx file
                      • Open Chrome browser and drag the .crx file into it.
                      • Browser will show you a warning sign. You can click continue and the theme will be applied.
                      PS: Don't worry about the warning. It's a theme and won't do anything malicious. Chrome gives this warning as the source of the .crx file is not known to the browser.

                      Best viewed in 1280x1024 resolution.
                      Awesome stuff bro. Just what the doctor ordered (pun intended)
                      I am downloading it. Thanks for sharing
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                      • ^^ Thanks. And a note. Please PM me for questions, feedback, etc. Let's keep the thread clean and on-topic.

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                        • Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post
                          ^^ Thanks. And a note. Please PM me for questions, feedback, etc. Let's keep the thread clean and on-topic.
                          What ?!!!! you don t have angry birds in the apps !? boooo !!!!!!

                          Can you prep one with TB or BS or CE or MB or NH or Tom luthi or with all of them ?

                          And regarding the topics !

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                          • +46 for the theme.
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                            • Originally posted by suren View Post
                              What ?!!!! you don t have angry birds in the apps !? boooo !!!!!!

                              Can you prep one with TB or BS or CE or MB or NH or Tom luthi or with all of them ?

                              And regarding the topics !

                              Casey Stoner explains Karel Abraham bust-up - | Motorcycle Sport | MotoGP News | MotoGP Results | MCN
                              Angry birds completed and uninstalled
                              I'll surely try. I ain't good in graphic designing though

                              Back to topic:
                              Article by Davide Brivio in Italian. Here is the translation:
                              Davide Brivio analizza per Moto.it il GP d?Italia - MotoGP - Moto.it
                              "Surprisingly, Stoner did not win. As it was playing the race with Stoner ended the first round with nine-tenths of convenience, like a GP with no history. Instead, he has had some problems and so Lawrence has recovered, congratulations to Jorge because we believed, did not give up though at one point was even the third. It was a deserved victory. I'm going against the tide and say that disappointed Dovizioso after "together" in Lawrence comeback, he's happy to beat Stoner, the captain of the Repsol Honda, he might have groped to stay with the Yamaha rider and maybe beat him in the final. In other words, it is given too low a goal, its strategy has left me a little 'confused. Simoncelli also thought did better, although he did well to finish a race without problems, because these are the experiences that help to grow. Finishing a GP remaining close to Lorenzo and Dovizioso for a while ', struggling with Spies until the last corner, they'll do well, but they are a little' disappointed because he could do better than fifth. "

                              Yamaha has won the last two races, for a more competitive or to a different mentality of the drivers? The success of Spies at Assen may have uploaded Lorenzo?
                              "Lawrence has a charge and even regardless of his Assen could fight for victory if he had not fallen on the first lap. Jorge is good to start from scratch, maybe after a bad race has a winning mentality. Surely it is stimulated by the tremendous growth of Spies and later, when Ben will be more regular in its performance, you could find a situation such as that between Rossi and Lorenzo in the past. Yamaha has won the last two races a little 'surprise, because the Honda is encouraged: to win the title, Lorenzo must take advantage of the spaces left by Honda. And 'the only way to try to counter the rush of the title to Stoner "

                              We come to Ducati and Valentino in particular: as usual fatigue test, but then get the best possible result.
                              "Valentino has always been an animal on race, rather than by evidence. Also because this bike is very new, the GP11.1 is only his second Grand Prix, including in two weekends very troubled by the meteorological point of view, in which very little has been tried. Thus we arrive at the last to find a development acceptable and therefore belongs in the race that he can give the best, because the Desmosedici is a bit 'more to place on probation. Unfortunately - and this is an analysis, not a complaint - Rossi and Ducati, which at this time are a bit 'in trouble, are also victims of the regulation, which does not allow to test: so if you can not back recover. You just hope to have a stable situation from the beginning to the end of the season. In practice, the Ducati and Valentino now have to do some tests on Friday and Saturday, and then try to be in the best possible conditions on Sunday and this prolongs the recovery time. "

                              A comment on a statement of Valentino quite alarming: "By 1000 I traveled more slowly that Honda and Yamaha with 800". Definitely a bad signal in the future ...
                              "Having used this bike in the last two races has made ​​it clear to everyone - I hope and believe - that this can not be the bike 2012. Now made ​​with the 1000 time pass a little 'in the background: the Desmosedici, as it is now, is not sufficient nor with the engine 800, nor, I believe, with the 1000 to fight with others. So I think a good decision to have anticipated the time, because you can develop this project and have a more competitive bike next season. "
                              As Valentino said last year, Jorge will have his own "Jorge" on the other side of the wall to deal with

                              Abraham later accused Stoner of deliberately running into him but the Repsol Honda rider said: “I’m a little disappointed to be honest because I’ve been impressed with what he’s been doing this year.
                              Hasn't this line become repetitive Losing respect, getting disappointed, etc etc?

                              Edit: Interesting related to the famous "80 Seconds" quote by JB:

                              And several months ago I read some statements on both the local press, which the mouth of Stoner.
                              The famous 18 seconds in which Burgess would have had to fix the Desmosedici. Burgess has never said.
                              The original interview in Burgess, and that 'the 19/ottobre of 2010, made ​​by Sport Rider as a scoop, an interview where he gives talks about the difficulties of some Burgess Ducati satellite, with problems of stability up front.
                              Burgess adds that of course without seeing the bike and puts his hand from the outside and not knowing the balance, are considerations of a person who sees eye to certain problems related to the handling of the Desmosedici, and never talk about the problems of adjusting to Desmo in 18 seconds .
                              What this says is actually translated into Italian: I see these things and I'm sure, thinking clearly, that if we had this problem with Rossi we would put in place in 80 seconds.
                              Burgess speaks with Rossi that if they had had these problems, they would be solved in 80 / 2, speaks of Yamaha never ducats, here is an extract from the original, from Sportrider
                              Which would Valentino be closer to?
                              “Difficult to say, without knowing where the weight is on the bike and how it behaves. But, without question, I don’t anticipate any major dramas. I can watch some of these lesser riders on the Ducatis and you can see that the bikes are, in my opinion, unsuitably set for what they want to try and do with them. I’m not saying anybody’s doing a bad job. I see these things wobbling around. When I think, clearly, if we had that issue with Valentino it’d be fixed in 80 seconds, but some riders don’t like the hardness of the bike, because they don’t get the feel. But then when they’re riding around and it’s too soft they’re not going forward either. So you’ve got to be able to create the feel with the hardness to avoid all that sloppiness. I don’t think there are any issues in the bike that are a big worry to me. I think the bike is just a tool to do your job. You sharpen the tool at the race track, you don’t build it. you should be able to adjust it to what Valentino wants. And until we’ve got a race or two under belts, we won’t really know how close we are or how much better we’ve made it. but if we can make it, as it stands here today, good for Valentino, then it’s probably not a bad bike. Then we just have to wait and see what happens

                              Now it is clear that many are poorly translated these statements, including those who reported Stoner certain phrases, as he erroneously that charge or Burgess and Rossi already denied these phrases, attributing them to any of his team, during the test Qatar.

                              Here the link to the original interview of Sport Rider.





                              I just tried to make a bit of clarity on the question 18 seconds, but it seems that in many lose much time trying to accuse Rossi and Burgess (including stoner) handling the matter of the Desmosedici.

                              Burgess never told desmo on 18 / 2, and this thing reminds me of the famous Gibernau claims to have made a welcome light on the track swept, even that was a bad interpretation or a real 'very own media lynching?

                              Even on that thing on the forum I reported the words of someone who was there at that time, and in any case it seems that most people call a lie becomes truth in the end '

                              We are in bad shape.
                              Last edited by TheRedPill; 07-06-2011, 06:30 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by xionite View Post
                                .. no Stoner fans here...

                                you are safe... post away.
                                Speak for yourself Xio.

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