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**xionite** · 07-03-2011, 07:55 PM

Lorenzo!

i actually found myself cheering for him for the last few laps.

Originally posted by sumit.pannalall View Post

So it was tyre pressure that defeated Lacey Moaner as if nobody else's bike didn't have any other problem in the hot temperature.

was pretty funny how Lorenzo and Dovi caught up with him within two laps tho eh?

Stoner did look like he a problem this time.

but i'm hapy Dovi beat him.

the championship is going to be much more fun now.

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**milancherian** · 07-03-2011, 08:12 PM

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**TheRedPill** · 07-03-2011, 09:00 PM

As Stoner said he was forced to keep certain tyre pressure which "costed" him his win or his fight to win.
Is the one, who forced, from the same team or from Bridgestone?
If they are from Bridgestones then doesn't the team have a say against them if the team wants a different setting?

**TenHut** · 07-03-2011, 09:03 PM

can someone tell me whats wrong with ducati ? they have the legend of motogp aka Rossi and his able mate Jeremy Burgess and the whole team trying to bloody fix one bike and then we get to see some satellite ducati bike actually dishing out competition to the factory one ?

Not that I am complaining. I am one happy soul. Lorenzo = King

**shivank** · 07-03-2011, 09:13 PM

Lorenzo dear..I am turning out to be your fan now! Always seems that his bike can't keep with the Hondas but his desperation always works for him.

Stoner,I wish you more bad luck like today.Albeit,I enjoy the way you slideeeee the Honda but incidents like this will make championship title open to everyone.Great race today!

Pedrosa..

Does anybody know where was he? I saw Rossi for fair many times but Pedrosa was nowhere to be seen..

**xionite** · 07-03-2011, 09:22 PM

^^ seriously man.

once the championship gets close after the next few races...
Stoner won't be able to hold up against Lorenzo.

it looks like it's going to be a successful 2010 repeat for jLolly.

and this time, no one can away any credit from him.

Originally posted by shivank View Post

Pedrosa..

Does anybody know where was he? I saw Rossi for fair many times but Pedrosa was nowhere to be seen..

he fell right back to 14th for a while. managed to finish in the same position he started tho.

'twas the first time this year the riders looked tired/drained out after the race.

the only person who's prolly disappointed more than VR is Sic...

he's had so many chances to convert with one slip up after another.

he had a pretty bad start today.

EDIT: what went wrong with Crutchlow today??
he seems to head to the pits every time Rossi overtakes (/overtook) him (in the last two races.)

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**worrisomebear** · 07-03-2011, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by TenHut View Post

can someone tell me whats wrong with ducati ? they have the legend of motogp aka Rossi and his able mate Jeremy Burgess and the whole team trying to bloody fix one bike and then we get to see some satellite ducati bike actually dishing out competition to the factory one ?

Not that I am complaining. I am one happy soul. Lorenzo = King

the carbon 'stressed airbox' frame design is the problem along with L4 engine layout . The unconventional chasis design.
They should go back to steel trellis.but thats a bit too much for ducati to swallow.preziosi should realize this carbon frame doesnt work for them.

And the result is rossi suffer and millions of fans around the world suffer becoz of it.

The eyes of the world are on Rossi

I wonder what impact this season will have on ducatis road bike sales

**milancherian** · 07-03-2011, 10:08 PM

All round, awesome performance by everyone. Lorenzo pull a rabbit from the hat and closed down Stoners lead to 19 points.

Dovi, Stoner, Spies and Sic did a very good job, but somehow, more was expected from them. But a frustrating day from Stoners point of view.

Crutchlow had yet another problem with his front tyre and had to retire early! It was the same story for him in Assen. Things are just not going well for him.

Tony Elias had an incredible start. Came into 7th from back of the grid, but eventually ended up last itself.

All in all, the race seemed done and dusted before Stoners problem! This goes to show that under perfect weather conditions, we will get a nail biting and exciting finish to the race! And it turned out to be a mind blowing

**xionite** · 07-03-2011, 10:31 PM

needs to go back to his pre-season "eh?" helmet design till he's able to sort stuff out.

his "eyes on you, eyes on me" helmet really lacked any kind of inspiration.

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**RanjithMN** · 07-03-2011, 11:10 PM

Was a nice race!
Lorenzo,i hate to say this but was awesome!
Dovinzo has nice too.Glad to see Rossi do ok.

Spies and Siz had a good battle too

BTW,is there any one aprt from me wanting for the following finish?
#1.Rossi
#2.Spies
#3.Sic

**TheRedPill** · 07-03-2011, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by TZ750 View Post

Sumit ... the link is just their to highlight as How CF-Frames have faired so far in the Different Classes of MotoGP until date. Further, I only have experience with Le-Man / Supercars & SAE-Formula race cars with CF. With Motorcycle Frame its a different ball game. The main focus in a race Motorcycle Frame had always been to get the maximum load concentration at the steering pivot which needs to absorb all the loads and as well exhibit some degree of flex to provide the required feed back to the rider. Look at the Pivot size & Load Bearing designs of the Modern Motorcycles against Old ones.

CF is more uni-directional in load applications unlike Metal ... kind of Concrete can take up huge Compression load but not that good with Tensile. It's the various layout of the honeycomb structure combined with the Carbon Mat layout plus pressure and backing time in the vacuum Auto-Clay that brings a huge variation in the final finished product.

It's far more easy with Metallurgy as the Industry has an huge understanding about it. Say a same material made out of SAE1008, SAE1010, SAE1023 Steel and so on can exhibit different characteristic properties with everything remaining the same. Even sometime for certain applications, after having all the necessary Metal inserts required for the application in a CF output does not save that much weight as regular Metal one. That`s why in F-1 some use Carbon Fiber Gear Cases and others Metal.

Further based on Engineering datas, properties and assumption its difficult to simulate and get accurate readings using CAE for CF unlike Metals. Further it`s far more time consuming and very expensive to make it in the first place and difficult to mend repair unlike Metals. Further Metals can be easily X-rayed for defects unlike CF. Even the Mighty Boeing has difficulties in perfecting their CF Composite Dream Liners.

Cheers - TZ750.

Originally posted by TenHut View Post

can someone tell me whats wrong with ducati ? they have the legend of motogp aka Rossi and his able mate Jeremy Burgess and the whole team trying to bloody fix one bike and then we get to see some satellite ducati bike actually dishing out competition to the factory one ?

Not that I am complaining. I am one happy soul. Lorenzo = King

Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post

the carbon 'stressed airbox' frame design is the problem along with L4 engine layout . The unconventional chasis design.
They should go back to steel trellis.but thats a bit too much for ducati to swallow.preziosi should realize this carbon frame doesnt work for them.

And the result is rossi suffer and millions of fans around the world suffer becoz of it.

The eyes of the world are on Rossi

I wonder what impact this season will have on ducatis road bike sales

Quoting Ganesh's post and his FB album

Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150160307982427.302477.641457426

Here are my thoughts:

There is a reason why Japs not using CF frames in their race bikes and Preziosi is not getting the point here

He has been adamant for using it in GP9/10/11/12 (not sure about gp7 and 8) and so on.
CF frames might have an advantage over metal ones but has disadvantages which take a long time to fix.
I read some tweet saying Ducati at some point of time in future will have to come to frames as used by the Japs

Rossi: the GP11 like a "small blanket
The room for improvement is very limited and is the same with GP11.1.

Also Rossi (along with his team and JB) has been riding the Japs for all his career. Ducati has to be ridden differently and probably his psyche is not allowing him to.

Look at Karel Abraham (and Hector Barbera), as quoted by the experts, he rides the bike without any prior knowledge to how a motogp bike should work and eventually adapts himself better to the bike as is.
All the other riders (Melandri, Capirex, Hayden is kind of an exception) had been riding the Japs and have faced the same hurdles as Rossi.
The only difference with Rossi's situation is that he has the money and the reputation behind him and is getting all the changes to the bike.
Only time will tell if Rossi and his team can transform GP12...
And GP12 won't be enough in its current avatar:

Page not found | GPOne

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201107034224/Rossi-Ducati-avanti-adagio.html

**AnupamYZR** · 07-03-2011, 11:54 PM

WOW Lorenzo.. Never believed that he could come out so strong and win the race.. A podium was expected but the win makes me super happy...

Was disappointed for Spies though.. Thought he would stand on the podium if not repeat Assen.. Finishing in front of Sic was the only consolation..

Rossi finished two place above I expected.. Sad for Crutchlow..

Moto2 was fantastic.. Would have liked Smith win, though I support Bradl.. But what a fight for the win.. Smith was fast on an inferior bike.. Super.. Innanone was as usual.. Could not manage the tyres and slipped back dramatically as tht same way he came strong.. I think without making at least 10 sec gap in the front in the first half, he is incapable of winning..

Sad but Moto2 was way too interesting than motoGP..!!!

**TZ750** · 07-04-2011, 08:09 AM

Ducati ---- Rossi

It's sad to see whatever they are trying it's not working for Rossi & Ducati. Hope they can move forward with a clean sheet of paper for 2012. But I doubt it will happen with Ducati's ego mentality. Surely Marlboro is getting frustrated and upset by now. Things will definitely flare up after the summer break if results & podium don't come by.

Good to see the new iteration of Yamaha with JL's input doing well. Further this year CS is becoming a smart racer by going for podiums when he can't win rather to bin it as in the past, when he run's into trouble. Honda are also smart in trying to experiment a few things early on ( that didn't go their way today) to seek more performance without damaging the power train. Further learn from it and not to repeat the mistakes from what they learnt.

Unlike others, Honda are looking very healthy on the engine usage for the rest of the season when compared with Factory Yamaha (or) Ducati. Plus more of Casey's favourite tracks coming after the second half, Honda are not too much worried about the Championship at the moment & would pour more resources to win this 800cc class at any cost if needed. I wouldn't be surprised with team orders being enforced by them after the second half (or) may be from the next race ... who knows.

Cheers - TZ750

**Akel** · 07-04-2011, 11:28 AM

Dead Ducati

And GP12 won't be enough in its current avatar:
Rossi - Ducati: baby steps[/QUOTE]

That is very bad....if Ducati continue to work in the same direction they'll end up nowhere pretty soon.....

Somebody needs to do come out with a better concept.....what ever they are doing now is clearly not working for them....
I seriously doubt if Vale can win a race this season....

he has never finished a season without a win.....it'll be too bad if he cant win a race this season....

I wonder what will be running in Vale's mind......any guesses ?

**prabhubravo** · 07-04-2011, 11:53 AM

^^

Has riding a bike with the 2012 chassis given you good information for future use?

"We have understood that this bike will not be sufficient for next year. In my tests with the 1000cc GP12 I was a little bit sower than today's front runners. The Ducati engineers already have all the data, and they are working to solve the problems with both the 800 and the 1000."

I didnt expect this atleast, the 1000CC package was slower than the current 800s... God save Duc in its new avatar!!

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