the last motogp race was fun to watch. after years we got to see a last corner/lap overtaking move in motogp:

as being a SBK / SSP fan we dont need to look bak to far since wins have come from a last/corner/ lap. Ben Spies did it just a month ago and Sufoglu did it a week prior to motogp. i am quite happy being a WSBK series fan and quite proud. i used to be a fan of both but SBK seems to so much fun.

mainly its not confusing to the public as motogp is becoming. i used to be a really a fan of Roadracing for more than 16 years and i have seen kevin/ cheered doohan/ rainey/ lawson and and all the luca cadolora and harada's and the kochinski's. moto gp used to be fun and simple but not any more. rossi's last corner move does not make me change my perspective on motogp. and never will. sbk were never competing with motogp it just gained more popularity with the true non commercial race fans.

i don't want to comment or state that moto gp fans are not true fans of 2 wheel racing. but its the lack of marketing and other such aspects.

true it is the pinnacle of Motorsports but not racing.

james toseland coming back to sbk next year and even rossi thinking of a 1 year SBK deal. but things will not be the same will it. i dont want everyone to become fans but appreciate true racing. by the public for the public.

in britan. ever since the SBK series started it created a new path for manufactures to market/ sell their bikes to the general public. we have seen it all.. from Bimota/ binelli. aprilia/ MV's and now next year KTM and Buell/harley davidson who might too compete in the championships. all in all to influence sales. ask ducati.

motogp is going th F1 way. but since its more lifestyle driven it will always be special. SBK will always br pure RACING.

i really dont have a point to prove but just speaking out my heart as to why all the fuss of rossi / jorge battle that people (esp motogpcom) is all going goo goo ga ga about it.

It is just a simple thing Soul ! Think about it ! People know ROSSI More thats it and even before they know more about racing they become his ardent fans.Even a normal guy who knows nothing about cricket will know about sachin thats what is happening here and motogp is trying to make the most of it. Ben spies is awesome but not many know of him except for a small fraction and i still think that Assen race was far more spectacular than the Catalunya race ( my personal opinion no ' I hate u.. u suck .. ' replies please ) ! His move on Haslam was far more brave than what we saw this past weekend ! Wsbk is still regarded as secondary to Motogp and they will never let it look and sound equal to it ! thats the way it is .
Simpler said if u go out and brag about your knowledge on F1 there will 4 or 5 guys to say somethin on what you speak , But talk about the more exciting touring car DTM races ! you ll be the only one talking about it . And now Motogp is a style statement for a few! They ll know a few names and talk some crap ! WSBK isn t . It s not got that special ingredient GP n F1 has and it can never be ! Ben spies can come to GP and prove a point ! but WSBK can never become bigger than motogp or atleast till ROssi is around. So just enjoy your cup of tea and have a laugh. Done.

I'm getting tempted !!

But fair enuff!! See there are muppets hu do not know squat about a particular sport and still brag about it !! But u'll have to agree that there are lots of genuine racing fans, hu know and are interested in both MGP and WSBK and enjoy them. And racing as a fraternity is a better place becoz of pple like them !!
I am a motogp fan, but I do follow SBK, and personally think motogp being the blue ribbon class is bullshit, MotoGP is doing its thing and SBK its !!

Plus MGP is not that much more penetrating in India than SBK yaar !!
O, if u r talking about F1 , lots of pple will listen but chances are if u talk about either MGP or SBK, you'll get blank stares !!

And Rossi is known because he has earned it, lets not hold that against him !!

ITs a nice trick to avoid an argument by saying "its my personal opinion...no hard feelings...etc" after making your point!!!

So here's mine!

WSBK is pure racing? May be, because you like it! why you like it? because what they race are developed motorcycles which are further modified for more performance. That's why competition seems to be near equal! There's no development to the level of MotoGP involved in WSBK for obvious reasons.

MotoGP is much more than racing! You WSBK fans must thank the existence of MotoGP or else you wouldn't really see the wonderful bikes like the Fireblade/GSXR/R1/10R around. These bikes are derived from the learnings and developments in MotoGP bikes! It will always be like this. So be greatful for it!

With all due respect for WSBK racers, I would rate majority of MotoGP racers to be more talented. Because other than winning a race or getting as much points as possible, a MotoGP rider is a vital part of a bike's development along with rest of their technical team full of engineers and what not! And this is one of the major factor which decides their race result. Most of the time, we would hear in interviews in MotoGP that how a racer could get his bike set up for his kind of riding style, haven't we heard that! Right from the engine to the set-up of chassis and suspension to suit a particular rider's riding style, there's a much greater level of development involved in a MotoGP bike! So you have to understand that before you can think of riding fast and winning a race in MotoGP, you have to play an equally big role in the bike's development and have it set up to the level you like it to be so that you can go and kick some ass on the track!

Whereas in WSBK, bikes are already developed, and compared to MotoGP there's limited further development, and hence less gap in the performance levels between two different motorcycles!

So before you blame MotoGP or its stars that most win because of a good bike, you have to understand that they play an equal role in making their bike that perfect to ride!!! The engineers can do their best to make engine extract that much more hp to give its rider an advantage on the long straight, but they really can't do much if their rider is not good enough to tell them how to set up the bike's suspension and chassis to his liking so that he can ride the way he want. His feedback is not even a penny less important than the rest of the job of the team engineers. And as we know, not all riders are good at it! And if a good bike will always produce a good result for its rider, then why didn't Marco Melandri win on Ducati as much as Stoner? Or why can't Nicky be as successful on the Ducati as Stoner. Simple answer, a bike may be one of the best, but if a rider is not good enough to make it work, it won't produce desirable results! And for example, Rossi and his team are one of the best guys in this business. So just don't blame MotoGP to produce a different kind of racing entertainment than WSBK, it never will, because there's just so much to MotoGP than WSBK. Didn't Rossi proved this in 2004??!!! And deservedly, Rossi is the pinnacle of all the motorcycle racers combined in any form of motorcycle racing. Period. He doesn't have to win in WSBK to prove this!!!

Now what I have said is not something which you guys don't know! But it's a human nature to just see what we get to see and appreciate or loath it! And it seems that this is what is happening! The level of activities behind the scene in MotoGP is so much more than WSBK. So MotoGP riders in my eyes will always have more respect than the ones in WSBK (and so will MotoGP) because they do so much more than just wring the throttle on the track!

SO...Is WSBK pure racing? May be for you, But not for me. Its MotoGP for me all the way. 'Cause without it, your hero Ben Spies would never get to ride a cross plane Yamaha R1 which is derived from Rossi's M1

And ah yes, how can I forget to mentione....these are my personal feelings

Wonderfully sumed up

Dude I have to disagree with you , the point you made about a MGP rider playing a vital part in development itself says it all, Its just one rider that plays a part in its development, Thats why Stoner is up front fighting for championship points while the other Ducati riders struggle to finish in the top ten, when you consider most of them got promoted from the 250cc segment for their excellence. The Ducati racer is a good example for this case. Stoner has been the only one who was able to get the right heat into the tyres in the first few corners to be able to match the others during race pace, the other Ducati riders were real good riders but were simply not able to because of their specific riding styles. Stoner graduated from dirt track racing (A.K.A. Mick Doohan, Nicky Hayden, Wayne Rainey, Kevin shwantz etc..) and hence his riding style was completely different to the rest who graduated from 250 Gp bikes which require a smoother riding style.

But when it comes to WSBK all riders start with a perfectly normal factory superbike and then tweak it to suit their riding style which most of the times is still not up to their mark. WSBK riders are equally competent at giving inputs to engineers as their MGP counterparts, Its just that they have limitations to what can be changed or altered which makes it even more tricky and which is what makes us fans stand on our toes..I am saying this for argument's sake and am not trying to avoid it.........

Whatttt ??????
So what was Troy Bayliss doing with the Ducati GP9 at Mugello earlier this year ? Testing the seat cushion ??
Stoner is the lead tester which means new parts are tested by him, but that doesn't mean other racers can't tweak the bike to their needs !!
In that case why wud Haydens and Dovisiosoz even bother to test !

Dukes problems are because of the inherent basic characteristics of the bike, which only Stoner seems to harness now and not the other riders !! Its got nothing to do with Stoner developing the bike to suit his needs !!

And by the inherent prototype nature of the MGP bikes, I'd reckon they have more room to play with in terms of setup and refinement !!

what are you talking dude.
marco and hayden fans will not like it. your development story does not make sense. its not invented at a motogp race. its been around for years and tested for years before being tested onto a motogp bike.

but i will agree that motogp grid girls are far prettier than WSBK. more tv time i guess.

here are the links to the most awesome disaster in Motorcycle racing. : get well soon guys.

venue: monza 2009 SBK race 1

YouTube - sbk 09 Crash monza

YouTube - monza sbk 09 crash

YouTube - World Superbikes at Monza 2009 Terrible Start Accident

YouTube - MONZA SUPER BIKE 10/05/2009 INCIDENTE PARTENZA GARA UNO

YouTube - sbk 09 Crach monza

Haa.. Good mrng guys !

Yes Mr.Satellite whatever ! That comment on my personal opinion was just for the races at Assen n Catalunya ! Do you first of all have anything to say about that ? Or did you even see that race ? Your post says everything except that race ! Go check out Assen Race 1 highlights in youtube and comeback and post your views.

And all your other responses are addressed to the mysterious ' You' ! So please let us know who is that ! so we ll be better at giving replies to your rather senseless post !

And i m seriously surprised ! People just blindly follow whateva the companies say for promotion ! ' Wowwww cross plane directly from Rosssi sss bike ...WOwww awesome development...Rossi has done thing jussstt for me to buy the R1 ' .. Go read more about cross plan crank shaft and its history ! And ya do read the bike comparos in Motorcycle.com and motorcycleusa.com !

Do you have a point to make ?? and no Troy Bayliss was measuring the length of his foot rest. And you might wanna come up with a far better explanation about the Duke than just " inherent basic characterstics" which sounds like horse poo to me.

Did you pick that straight out of a commentator's mouth ?? Last year Melandri, tony elias and guintoli were all smelling the fumes of all the other bikes at the back end of the grid..! Why? because they were not able to tame it ("They said it themselves") as their corner entry speed was not fast enof to create much grip. The Duke unlike the jap bikes does not alter its character according to the rider but the rider has to adjust to it. Ducati would'nt even allow the press to talk to Melandri on this issue !, But elias did and all he said was that Stoner has unbelievable confidence with the bike according to the data.. So there you go, Ducati could have made a bike that was friendly to all but they found some extra speed with Stoner so they stuck to it and let the others find their own wat out.. Now tell me around who the Ducati is built ?? and look at Melandri this year, on a KAWA he's riding brilliantly... and that is why Ducati has brought in Hayden since he too came in from dirt tracks... So before you get cocky about Bayliss not being good enouf chk if you are good enough to argue on the matter..Do some homework.

A) Firstly apologies if you think I've written something that I shudn't have, and I'd be the first one to admit that I'm not an expert in anything. But pls read my post again !! you'll realise that you have just indirectly and after throwing a lot of hot air, have agreed to what I said !!

B) Pls mind your fcuking language, this is not they way to argue .Or else I'll be compelled to give it back in the came coin !! Pls read my posts arnd in xBHP if you really need to judge I'm qualified or not !!

Well, You seem to be the english challenged one here so why dont you read it once,twice,twenty fcuking times, how many ever it takes for that little thread that connects you to your head to transmitt some data. And once it does you'll figure out that I have completely thrashed your views on whatever little you know and hence disagreed with you. So if you'd please grow up and argue healthily with out using profanity, I am willing to entertain you.

Sorry for OT and continuing with this nonsense :
Whoa .. u really really really do not understand when someone is trying to cool things down do u !!

Also from ur earlier post, its a single word footrest, not foot rest. Foot rest will make the latter a verb !! Wich will totally alter the semantics of the sentance !! So much for englisss !!

Go Kimi ..


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