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You seem to have contradicted yourself from what you started with and then ended with. First you say that RD decision is most accurate that they have given a penalty to Rossi for running wide.

Then you contradict yourself by saying that Rossi 'kicked' Marquez' bar. The operative word here being kicked, this implies intent. Impact was there, yes, everybody can see that, but calling it a kick is going too far! Especially if you RD's decision they have clearly stated that it is not obvious whether there was a kick or not. So you need to make up your mind whether you want to agree with RD or not!

If RD had come to the conclusion that it was indeed a kick, then Rossi would have been disqualified from the race, not handed a paltry 3 point penalty. They didn't! Case closed

And in Xionite's defence, he is indeed a Rossi fan as he himself says, but he is one of the balanced fans, and NOT one of those who give Rossi fans a bad name!

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Guys, there might be some iota of truth to Marc's claims. Just saw a slow motion video grab of the incident and it does appear that Rossi's knee pushes the extremely close Marc on his left. Now whether Marc was already falling due to the lean and Rossi pushed back as a reaction or he initiated it is difficult to make out as they are almost touching. I think we can give Rossi the benefit of doubt here assuming he wouldn't get down to that level with his peers.

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yes there's a positive side to the pre event PC being cancelled which will prevent any possible verbal clash between vr, mm and even jl on the spot and on air.

but as pointed out by david emmett and some other journalists, this can likely lead to another subseries of drama in the media and thereby in the fanbase as now each rider will be asked the same questions (which the journalists would have asked them on the spot in the PC anyway) separately and offline and some of them who have some hidden agenda for or against any rider may publish the riders' words in their own words possibly even twisting it or misrepresenting what the riders actually say and bring about another series of war of words and blame-game and basically "who said what to whom" without the transparency of a live conference..this is the negative side of its cancellation and apparently a more important concern in the views of some more responsible and agenda-less journalists.

either way, shit is far from over.

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Remember when Stoner was taken out by Rossi in 2011, Jerez and what Stoner said to him post race. . ? , . .
@The Monk that's the reason am trying to say don't just look and make a decision from a single perspective and look from all angles . . .

Cheers!!!

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You can scroll back to every single comment of mine after this incident. You won't find me going boo hoo about the fact that Rossi was penalized.

I am a huge Rossi fan. I am a Marquez fan too. This incident will not make me like either of the two riders less.

The only person that came off bad in the Sepang Clash was Lorenzo. Anyway...


I'm sorry to disappoint you bud but Race Direction did NOT confirm that there was a kick. The ONLY reason Rossi was penalized was because he went wide and slowed Marquez down and disrupted his race.

Dani Pedrosa, in the post race press conference said... "if two riders enter a corner, the rider in front can go as deep as he wants and it is the job of the rider behind to cut."

Now it's safe to assume that Dani Pedrosa knows what he's talking about.

So, even tho Rossi may have gone wide... and Pedrosa as an experienced MotoGP rider said that it was allowed...

Race Direction decided otherwise. No problem.

But the penalty had nothing to do with a kick.


Nobody questioned? It was huge news. The only thing that people talked about was that dogfight between VR & JL.

JL complained. Rossi said it was racing. Lorenzo's title hopes weren't at risk.

ofcourse it mattered that he had a 100 point lead. If he had done that if Lorenzo had a 10 point lead it would have probably been questioned.

Just like if Marquez was only trailing Rossi by 10 points in the championship this year.

Please.


Sure. But Nakamoto is claiming that there's data that shows there was an "impact" to Marquez' lever which they assume is a result of Rossi kick. That's hilarious.

Race Direction said there was no proof of a kick and that it was not conclusive.

Marquez said Rossi's foot touched his brake lever. But, Marquez's bike had a brake guard which wouldn't allow Rossi's leg to fit thru.


So tell me... IF there was an actualy kick... wouldn't that said kick not have affected Rossi too?

I'm not really asking for an answer here.

If Stoner, Rossi and Marquez were in a three way battle for first place, I would cheer for Rossi but I would still cheer at the end of the race if CS or MM won.

I'm just used to cheering for Rossi. Watching him race has been part of the last two decades of my life.

I was a Biaggi fan when Rossi came onto the MotoGP scene. And I cheered loudly for VR when he gave Max the finger at Suzuka.

I am a fan of motorcycle racing.
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Final episode of most thrilling series is creeping upon us. Never been so excited with anticipation for a drama.

Climax ; Anti-Climax

make it nail biting!

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Sweaty palms, Mr. Lorenzo?










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Not sure what JLo is trying by his recent actions. I would say JLo is damaging his reputation. Irrespective of CAS decision, odds are still in favor of JLo.

1. VR46 have a bad history in Valencia. 2. JLo has won all the GPs in Spain in 2015.
3. Speed of Honda and ducs are more than or at least on par with Yamaha. If JLo can take the first, it's will be difficult for VR46.
4. Even a points tie will be on favor of JLo.

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you are missing a crucial point though, which dani did too when he said the above statement you quoted...

sure the rider who has the inside of a corner can choose to go as wide as he wants and this happens regularly in racing, but that's not what rossi did exactly...he almost stood his bike up while slowing down and drifting off the racing line and gave MM exactly 3 looks, and all this didnt happen for an instant but for several meters of the track, and this is not something done by a rider who is merely minding his own ride and going as wide as he wants...

this was interpreted by race direction and many others including me that rossi did that seemingly intentionally to ensure MM was put off as wide as possible (which he himself admitted at parc ferme) and thereby as close as possible to the edge of the track, thus hoping that it would leave MM little choice but to run off or slow down his bike to almost standstill before attempting to undercut rossi from behind both of which costs a significant time...it was this intentional maneuver with 3 exacting glances at MM which is and was deemed illegal by RD (and "unsporting behaviour", "losing his mind" etc etc by the masses) for which he was given 3 penalty points...what rossi probably didnt expect (or maybe he did expect or hope for it, one will never know) is that MM would instead commit the mistake to still turn in to prevent himself from going any more off the line which resulted in contact with rossi's bike/leg because they were too damn near to each other and then we all know what happened..

i assume dani hadnt precisely noticed this in detail when he said the above statement just after the race..

btw dani also said in the post race PC that rossi had contradicted himself (which is detailed in a crash.net article)..he was being very diplomatic in the PC.

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about the comparison with motegi 2010, i think i should point out that the comparison isn't being made to establish that the two incidences are exactly the same in all details...the comparison is being made to point out only that it was a somewhat "similar" incidence..

yes in motegi 2010 JL had a huge lead over DP (the next in points) and therefore rossi didnt disadvantage JL in terms of championship and in terms of this fact the 2 incidences are very different and any comparison with respect to this point is very inaccurate/incorrect..

however the 2 incidences are somewhat more broadly similar with respect to the point that rossi had disrupted and gone physically hard on lorenzo (seemingly) intentionally even though, as was argued by and believed by many people at that time, that he had a higher pace than JL and so didnt need to do so but did it only to prove a point particularly since his and JL's relationship was very bad at that time...this is imo the main point due to which the comparison is being made by many people and even some respectable journalists such as mat oxley...yes it is a very broad point of comparison, but it's not entirely inaccurate..

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this is precisely why the odds are not all that much in favour of JL...he doesnt have such a good record at valencia and the hondas usually do...if he comes 3rd behind the 2 hondas, rossi only has to manage coming only 6th, which is entirely possible since many times some or the other top riders in the sport have started at the back of the grid and ended up at position 5th or 6th...besides, there's some chance of rain in valencia, so there's that..and i havent even considered iannone or others coming in front of JL.

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CAS' decision 'll be a big factor. IMO, it's almost certain that they 'll support FIM and RD rather than VR because the RD's verdict was right. VR doesn't like the track but, he isn't totally bad. He has 2 wins and a few podiums. Although, he did lose his 2006 title here.
JL is doing what everyone 'd have done: guarding his chances of winning a title. As Lorenzo himself has said, if there's a wet-dry condition or an unusual factor coming into play, VR has a good chance. If the penalty points are stashed off, it's advantage VR.


Banking on the performance of the Hondas or Ducatis or anybody for that matter is a great risk for both JL and VR as well as their supporters.

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nails it - Soup :: Ryder Notes: Tribalism :: 11-03-2015

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Yamaha has dissociated itself from JL's move to CAS. Sticking to its gun with VR. Good job! To Yamaha, it's its rider - VR v/s RD and FIM or VR v/s Honda/MM which is the priority, not the JL-VR battle.

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[MENTION=5286]aditya[/MENTION] and [MENTION=28698]Makky[/MENTION]

Yes, Honda 1, 2 can create problems for Lorenzo. Fingers crossed!!!