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**shivank** · 02-17-2011, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by samant View Post

While it is natural to think that ABS should come with an engine upgrade larger than 180, spare a thought for those souls who skid in wet and slippery conditions especially when rains begin and the road is neither fully wet nor dry. Even if they are doing 80 kmph ABS will prove effective.

I agree with you that there should have been a better differentiating factor for the ABS version 180, I feel that it is strategic move from TVS, for a better surprise that they may spring. Only time will tell!

ME..ME...ME...in bolds!

The problem is I skidded only because of the trusted and super-heroic tvs shrichakra rubber! No braking or wheel lock involved..

I personally feel that TVS should have thought of changing the rubber first before investing capital on this ABS-thingy..They could have saved a large amount of investment.

Also,these tires will make ABS work overtime as they skid on each and every surface that is known to any biker around the world..

**payeng** · 02-17-2011, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by samant View Post

I agree with you that there should have been a better differentiating factor for the ABS version 180, I feel that it is strategic move from TVS, for a better surprise that they may spring. Only time will tell!

There is no doubt that TVS deserves kudos for developing/putting ABS on its bikes. Respect TVS for that.

But then for sustained profitable business, Differentiation is the Key

As a strategic move, TVS could have put in a "full fairing + some cosmetic differentiation" on the RTR 180 along with the ABS (never mind if there is no engine upgrade), and it will not be difficult to sell it without trying to convince the buyers the need to pay premium for the ABS system.

For Eg: Not all Karizma ZMR buyers pay Rs. 20,000 over the Karizma R just because it has a PGM-Fi engine. "Most of them*" pay the premium because it looks like a "desi Hayabusa Replica".

[* ZMR owners of xBhp, please do not get offended]

Educated bikers will definitely understand the benefits of the ABS system, but then they are a very very rare breed in India.

**dushyant123** · 02-17-2011, 03:35 PM

Look at bajaj's p220, they've made it look visually different and it sells like hot cakes....
Every rider wants his ride to be somewhat unique and i believe he deserves it...
I know how i feel when people call my Nokia 5800 a 5230......

**shivank** · 02-17-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by dushyant123 View Post

Look at bajaj's p220, they've made it look visually different and it sells like hot cakes....
Every rider wants his ride to be somewhat unique and i believe he deserves it...
I know how i feel when people call my Nokia 5800 a 5230......

Beg to differ here sir..Apaches are unique than any Pulsar currently selling in the country.I do not want to start brand war here.But most will agree on this..

**sambit** · 02-17-2011, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

There is no doubt that TVS deserves kudos for developing/putting ABS on its bikes. Respect TVS for that.

But then for sustained profitable business, Differentiation is the Key

As a strategic move, TVS could have put in a "full fairing + some cosmetic differentiation" on the RTR 180 along with the ABS (never mind if there is no engine upgrade), and it will not be difficult to sell it without trying to convince the buyers the need to pay premium for the ABS system.

For Eg: Not all Karizma ZMR buyers pay Rs. 20,000 over the Karizma R just because it has a PGM-Fi engine. "Most of them*" pay the premium because it looks like a "desi Hayabusa Replica".

[* ZMR owners of xBhp, please do not get offended]

Educated bikers will definitely understand the benefits of the ABS system, but then they are a very very rare breed in India.

Very rightly said.....

**chicane1879** · 02-17-2011, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

There is no doubt that TVS deserves kudos for developing/putting ABS on its bikes. Respect TVS for that.

But then for sustained profitable business, Differentiation is the Key

As a strategic move, TVS could have put in a "full fairing + some cosmetic differentiation" on the RTR 180 along with the ABS (never mind if there is no engine upgrade), and it will not be difficult to sell it without trying to convince the buyers the need to pay premium for the ABS system.

For Eg: Not all Karizma ZMR buyers pay Rs. 20,000 over the Karizma R just because it has a PGM-Fi engine. "Most of them*" pay the premium because it looks like a "desi Hayabusa Replica".

[* ZMR owners of xBhp, please do not get offended]

Educated bikers will definitely understand the benefits of the ABS system, but then they are a very very rare breed in India.

Couldnt agree more.

They should have reserved the ABS technology for the bigger bike which could have aided the product's value as a new launch. And later they could have slowly brought down the option to lower capacity models(read:160 and 180) which would surely have heightened the novelty factor of these bikes even more.

And yes, Differentiation is the keyword here. They should bring in the bigger bike with the option fast otherwise the ABS thingy will fizzle out in no time. But then again, TVS should be given a pat on their back for giving us the first affordable ABS option on two-wheels.

**social** · 02-17-2011, 05:24 PM

My two cents:

TVS maybe using RTR 180 to test the system to perfection in real world conditions. The thing may already be very good but as always things work a little different in real world conditions.

TVS will use the feedback from people who buy this bike and fine-tune it for use in bigger bikes (which will definitely come by 2015)

**dushyant123** · 02-17-2011, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by shivank View Post

Beg to differ here sir..Apaches are unique than any Pulsar currently selling in the country.I do not want to start brand war here.But most will agree on this..

i meant that BAL made p220 look different than p150s and p180s i meant unique in that series....

**ananthu** · 02-17-2011, 08:46 PM

yipee....

Originally posted by social View Post

My two cents:

TVS maybe using RTR 180 to test the system to perfection in real world conditions. The thing may already be very good but as always things work a little different in real world conditions.

TVS will use the feedback from people who buy this bike and fine-tune it for use in bigger bikes (which will definitely come by 2015)

very correctly said.I belive that if they put the ABS on a bigger bike, which is going to cost more, and ended up with an intrusive system then the buyers would be very angry.They can use this as a test bed.Or else they could end up like bajaj with their 220 DTS-FI or their own RTR EFI and you wouldn't want that would you?

**REAPER** · 02-17-2011, 10:02 PM

wow, great move by tvs.
Ok, the question is 'is it gonna work'? (in market). People are more attracted towards new body panels and flashy graphix than life saving tech hidden inside a small box under the seat. But if they make abs default for next big apache may be people will start to actually appreciate abs for what it does other than just another 'new tech in my bike'. But like disc breaks they got to get a lil taste of abs qualities first. Apache180 is not good enough for introducing this wonderful tech to masses.

**hotshot.vipin** · 02-17-2011, 10:29 PM

will the ABS system be able to work on older bikes too...
like if i have an rtr already...will i be able to buy the abs system and add it on

**rennycornelius** · 02-17-2011, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by hotshot.vipin View Post

will the abs system be able to work on older bikes too...
Like if i have an rtr already...will i be able to buy the abs system and add it on

................ No.

**REAPER** · 02-17-2011, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by hotshot.vipin View Post

will the ABS system be able to work on older bikes too...
like if i have an rtr already...will i be able to buy the abs system and add it on

Now, thats a great idea. But discs,sensors, pumps,ecu, etc.. Thats going to be a costly upgrade.. Id rather buy a new apache with abs than spending money on retrofitting abs on an older bike.

**hotshot.vipin** · 02-17-2011, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post

................ No.

okieee....

Originally posted by REAPER View Post

Now, thats a great idea. But discs,sensors, pumps,ecu, etc.. Thats going to be a costly upgrade.. Id rather buy a new apache with abs than spending money on retrofitting abs on an older bike.

i was jus wonderin naaaa....
i thought it would be jus a hydraulic one...so could be done cost effectivly...
but if its integrated with the ECU den to it could be a costly affair i guess

**REAPER** · 02-17-2011, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by hotshot.vipin View Post

i was jus wonderin naaaa....
i thought it would be jus a hydraulic one...so could be done cost effectivly...
but if its integrated with the ECU den to it could be a costly affair i guess

Ah,, ok. Hydrolic abs? like the 'saferide mechanical abs' thingie ??,its cheap,and nothing but a gimmick, but apaches abs is the real deal i belive., let wait for a review on that,here. And see if its worth all the hype...

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