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  • I had been to Garware motors here back in pune!!!!
    The GT650R definitely pulls off the show in 650cc class of bikes....
    I couldnt take the test ride since there was no bike avaliable for it!!!>.
    I had the option of firing the bike and revving it hard....
    Iam sorry but the vibrations are awful and really really a turn off...the bike does sound perfect but the vibrations and moving panels kinda makes the mood go green.....
    Well i had a word with the person named Sumit....he said the bike is a CKD and is assembled in Garware Manufacturing plant in Wai (near Mahabaleshwar)...Well guys I did feel the wait to take a look at the 650R of Japs which is soon going to be launched....the Koreans are good, definately good but the Indian touch in assembly is sorta spoiling the feel!!!!

    At times i did feel m revving a 650cc Pulsar which has a little bit of fairing vibrations!!!!
    The pick up and top end would be perfect since its a V-Twin....
    In all this i dint get a clue why was the bloke out there comparing the Ninja 250R V-Twin with the GT650R V-Twin......at times he even said the word Karizma when it came to overall length!!!! My gosh why did i use the word Karizma....

    This is my personal view...please dont make it an issue or fuss about the bike or anything!!!!
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    • Originally posted by xionite View Post
      ride a bloody harley. you'll have a zing in ur palms a whole 5 minutes after you've got off the bike.

      vibes are good. and they're part n parcel of a V-twin.

      i doubt anyone who is seriously considering on buying a GT650R want's it to feel like a Unicorn.

      i'm waiting for the Lower Parel showroom to start with test rides.

      then i can decide if I definitely want one.

      wondering tho... where in the Lower Parel area can i ride the bike above 120kmph??? let alone over 170kmph
      Originally posted by santoosh View Post
      First we complain that we want a big bike at a moderate price ,
      Somebody comes out with it.. Happy..
      Now we complain that it has this missing and thats missing..
      And gives you vibes as complementary.

      Come on cant expect a Honda..ish in 5L V twin.
      a V twin made by any company is prone to Vibes .. WHich is by design inheritence and nothing to do with Hysoung.

      As of quality of the parts , are they falling off or cracking ?
      Does the zma have amazing plastics? ARent we living with it? This is defintely better than that , But may not be the best.

      After all everything comes at a price.

      Santa
      well said. People expect r6 level performance from a bike thats half the price it. come on guys appreciate the the efforts taken by garware. A twin cylinder is bound to produce vibrations. There are cons of each and every bike, people accuse the cbr1000rr of being boring and lacking 'SOUL'? , they say the r1 has the worst performance amongst the liter bike, 600's are too focused and that they are highly impractical. But here you have a bike thats a good compromise between performance, usability and still has a decent price tag. I think its the best bike to ready yourself for a future upgrade to a bigger bike. maximum bang for your bucks.

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      • Originally posted by rishabhshukla14 View Post
        @satyen: its true that issue with tha vibes can be resolved but it is not possible in all the cases; this you also know and yea if they do it somehow that will be great. But till the time they are done with it they should not provide the test rides otherwise this can go against their sales figures...
        point taken and forwarded to concerned authorities

        Originally posted by melroyal View Post
        Hi rossi.The video does show a top speed of 235 kmph which may not be accurate.As you also need to account for speedo error.
        yes, indeed the error would be there and we are talking about the indicated figures only

        Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post
        They are into motorcycles for the first time. You seriously think they can fix this issue? A bike which red lines at 10k and has unpleasant vibes after 6k , how much usable is that power then ? If you didnt feel the vibes then I feel your review is a very poor one. Or you rode some other bike not the GT650
        P.S: trust me brother i seriously doubt if anyone has ridden the GT more than me (apart from Sunny) and the reviews i share are as a biker and not as an employee

        Originally posted by pp180 View Post
        All V twins have vibes compared to inline but there are ways to keep minimal vibes to reach rider. Ninja 650R is a parallel twin so hopefully vibes are lesser than a v-twin and also in there 2009 model they are done some work to reduce the vibes (or not to reach the rider) OT : how is a parallel engine configuration different from inline engines and
        Which is the cheapest inline 4 we can get in India .
        well said fred

        Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
        OT: The CB1000 is the cheapest i4
        Yes all vTwins have vibes, but then some people love\live-with them too... strangely not many complained on the international forums, but it seems some what 'exagerated' in this Indian iteration with the machine!

        Like MG said, may be they phucked up! Who knows!

        (I for one dont mind vibes, learnt on RX, rode the RD, LOVE the RTR)
        Have been trying to make that point and it is not just the vibes guys, look at the overall ride quality. See how the bike rides overall, see if she is able ton entice you, see if you are getting a value for money...dnt judge a bike just because gives vibrations that too considering that she is a twin

        Originally posted by nagoo View Post
        WTH.... most of the ppl here who are poking abt the vibs never ridden the bike .. they just got these from some online forums and try to put it with some extra ..

        as Satyen said .. in the whole internet forums i didn;t find most of the ppl cribbing about vibs .. except some magazine reviews ... it seems like most of the vibs can be nullified by proper assembly of the bike and remaining some with new tech ..

        Ppl should see how much vibs u get from MT-01 when it starts [later its ease out]... all the big engines will have considerable vibs
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        Originally posted by pp180 View Post
        Hi Nagoo , I have not ridden the GT but I have sat on bike and even revved it till 4000-4500 rpm and i can bet that vibes on tank,handlebars even at idle were comparable to our indian bullets.
        I guess most of the ppl in xbhp know there stuff ,We have to wait to get the clear picture till some GT owners writes an ownership experience.
        kindly also consider that standing bike would anyday vibrate more than in motion as when the bike moves the suspension and shoch absorbers come in action and absorb considerable amount of those

        Originally posted by xionite View Post
        ride a bloody harley. you'll have a zing in ur palms a whole 5 minutes after you've got off the bike. vibes are good. and they're part n parcel of a V-twin. i doubt anyone who is seriously considering on buying a GT650R want's it to feel like a Unicorn. i'm waiting for the Lower Parel showroom to start with test rides. then i can decide if I definitely want one. wondering tho... where in the Lower Parel area can i ride the bike above 120kmph??? let alone over 170kmph

        SANTOOSH:First we complain that we want a big bike at a moderate price ,
        Somebody comes out with it.. Happy..
        Now we complain that it has this missing and thats missing..
        And gives you vibes as complementary.

        Come on cant expect a Honda..ish in 5L V twin.
        a V twin made by any company is prone to Vibes .. WHich is by design inheritence and nothing to do with Hysoung.

        As of quality of the parts , are they falling off or cracking ?
        Does the zma have amazing plastics? ARent we living with it? This is defintely better than that , But may not be the best.

        After all everything comes at a price.

        Santa
        no one cud have put it better, this is the bike you get for 5L, tell me if you get a better DEAL anywhere. Bike is not bad at all, for the kinda price it is available at, and considering that it is a 1st hand legal bike, i do not see a flaw anywhere.

        EVERYONE: Try understanding the deal you are getting, we cannot get the best bike in the world at 5L. What we are getting is a good deal and a wise idea to invest 5L in a bike.
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        • point taken? as in? no more test rides?

          u kinda fused my post with santoosh's post too.

          Originally posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
          I couldnt take the test ride since there was no bike avaliable for it!!!>.
          I had the option of firing the bike and revving it hard....
          Iam sorry but the vibrations are awful and really really a turn off...the bike does sound perfect but the vibrations and moving panels kinda makes the mood go green.....
          revving hard in neutral at standstill... will produce more vibes than when it's on the move.

          so it's not exactly a fair assessment...
          coz the actual vibes u'd feel when you're riding the bike will be less prominent.
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          • Originally posted by xionite View Post
            point taken? as in? no more test rides?

            u kinda fused my post with santoosh's post too.



            revving hard in neutral at standstill... will produce more vibes than when it's on the move.

            so it's not exactly a fair assessment...
            coz the actual vibes u'd feel when you're riding the bike will be less prominent.
            If that is true and vibrations are reduced by 30-40 % from standstill then GT650R is in for me.

            One more real important point came in my mind.
            I guess for ppl who know that in near future they will upgrade to proper 600-1000 cc i4 bikes, GT650R is the best bet. It's has that sporty riding position. If we are riding Ninja 650R for next 2-3 year then i don't think we would be able to cope up with extreme riding postion we get in full blown super sports bike.We might not like that riding position after getting used to the Upright comfortable stance on Ninja650.
            And i guess most of the guys opting for such big bikes would be using them for weekend rides or short rides in between .So that sport riding position would not pose any problem.

            Let's see what happens when I see Ninja in flesh.

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            • Originally posted by pp180 View Post
              If that is true and vibrations are reduced by 30-40 % from standstill then GT650R is in for me.

              One more real important point came in my mind.
              I guess for ppl who know that in near future they will upgrade to proper 600-1000 cc i4 bikes, GT650R is the best bet. It's has that sporty riding position. If we are riding Ninja 650R for next 2-3 year then i don't think we would be able to cope up with extreme riding postion we get in full blown super sports bike.We might not like that riding position after getting used to the Upright comfortable stance on Ninja650.
              And i guess most of the guys opting for such big bikes would be using them for weekend rides or short rides in between .So that sport riding position would not pose any problem.

              Let's see what happens when I see Ninja in flesh.
              mayank, call me and i'll arrange a TD for you then we shall talk
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              • @All: For those who feel that the power output is low compared to International GT650R, it might be due to two reasons..

                1. Fuel Quality.. People are bound to take the GT on a long tour and if they end up getting only low quality fuel, it'll screw the engine badly and they can't just take their bike back on their shoulders to the next big pump.. And, neither would Garware want that kind of negative publicity..

                2. Fuel Economy.. According to Autocar India's review, the GT manages 20kmpl in the city and 24kmpl on the highway.. That is 50MPG in city and 60MPG on the highway(taking UK GALLON for calculation).. I doubt the International GTs would give this good a FE figure..

                3. Engine.. The Engine is actually quite good, mainly because its based on the Suzuki SV650, which as far as history has shown is a fuss free unit..

                MY GRIPE - If they were gonna detune the engine to give 10bhp lower, they could've increased the acceleration a little bit by fiddling with the sprockets and making the overall gearing shorter.. That way, it would at least be a faster accelerating bike, which would mean more real world usability especially during touring, when one wouldn't have to shift down a cog to get instant response..

                Anyways, if you want to improve its power output, there's an option.. I don't know if the GT has been de-tuned by just ECU settings or with some mechanical changes( highly unlikely).. If its restricted by the ECU, then it shouldn't be a problem.. You can take it to Joel and get it tuned back to International Specs.. Although I don't know if it will affect warranty.. Legally, there would be no problems since no mechanical change has occurred to the bike, and besides, no cops would stop a big bike fearing the rider to be a politico or industrialist's family member..

                Cheers.. Happy Riding to all GT riders..
                Last edited by surya220; 05-04-2011, 07:30 PM. Reason: Forgot to add about the Engine bit and MY GRIPE..
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                • all the people here who think Vibes are one of the biggest problem in GT, I think they should never go for Ducatis or in that case any V-Twins. Get the facts right , dont forget these are 650cc bikes not the normal bikes of our country which we have been riding since past so many years.
                  Hyosung has done a good job by getting a 650cc bike in our market, why couldnt it be done by any other Company. And now its time to compliment it. First take a Test Ride of the bike and then start criticizing or analyzing. Reving upto 6000rpm on the stands can make any bike to vibrate.

                  This is 650 guys lets grow up and mature the trend has been set in our market, thanks to Hyosung

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                  • Originally posted by Shivanshu View Post
                    all the people here who think Vibes are one of the biggest problem in GT, I think they should never go for Ducatis or in that case any V-Twins. Get the facts right , dont forget these are 650cc bikes not the normal bikes of our country which we have been riding since past so many years.
                    Hyosung has done a good job by getting a 650cc bike in our market, why couldnt it be done by any other Company. And now its time to compliment it. First take a Test Ride of the bike and then start criticizing or analyzing. Reving upto 6000rpm on the stands can make any bike to vibrate.

                    This is 650 guys lets grow up and mature the trend has been set in our market, thanks to Hyosung


                    Though i back you on the point that racing a bike till 6000rpm in standstill can lead to vibrations but i dont agree with you on ducati aspect. have u ridden a ducati?
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                    • Originally posted by Shivanshu View Post
                      all the people here who think Vibes are one of the biggest problem in GT, I think they should never go for Ducatis or in that case any V-Twins. Get the facts right , dont forget these are 650cc bikes not the normal bikes of our country which we have been riding since past so many years.
                      Hyosung has done a good job by getting a 650cc bike in our market, why couldnt it be done by any other Company. And now its time to compliment it. First take a Test Ride of the bike and then start criticizing or analyzing. Reving upto 6000rpm on the stands can make any bike to vibrate.

                      This is 650 guys lets grow up and mature the trend has been set in our market, thanks to Hyosung
                      Wait..Someone said DUCATI here..



                      Well said friend

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                      • Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post
                        but i dont agree with you on ducati aspect.
                        yes yes... he prolly meant Harleys.

                        @Shivanshu: sorry bud... Ducs are V-twins... but they most certainly NOT (disturbingly) vibey!
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                        • Ronit Motors informed me today,that the balance pymt of 5lacs needs to be paid by the end of this month .As the bikes will be going to the R.T.O for registration.

                          Hopefully by mid June,I should receive my GT650R

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                          • Originally posted by melroyal View Post
                            Ronit Motors informed me today,that the balance pymt of 5lacs needs to be paid by the end of this month .As the bikes will be going to the R.T.O for registration.

                            Hopefully by mid June,I should receive my GT650R
                            congrats melroy! lemme know if you'll be offering test-rides...

                            coz i'm waiting to make my decision.
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                            • Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post
                              Though i back you on the point that racing a bike till 6000rpm in standstill can lead to vibrations but i dont agree with you on ducati aspect. have u ridden a ducati?
                              Hey friend! I've ridden a 1198 s once. That too for a very short period of time. However, vibrations are there at lower RPM but once you reach 100 on speedo or beyond; it's gone.

                              Please let me know if you have any different opinion. I would love to know facts about Dukes

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                              • Why is everyone complaining about the vibes? How many have actually ridden it? Come'on, its a proper city supersport that ur getting at mere 5L when a good quater liter moped is costing nearly 3L .

                                I dont think you will have to rev it above 6k revs while touring. In top gear it will easily do 100+ on below 6k revs and i dont think u will be in a condition to think about vibes when cruising above 180km/hr . Ur mind will be focused on more important things at those speeds.

                                That autocar journo was complaining about this bike being hard to corner. But how many can actully lean it at 3 digit speeds? Even above 100 it should be easier to corner than something like Pulsar or ZMR.

                                And about vibes in ducati.. cough! cough cough!
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