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**veryhiphop** · 06-08-2013, 10:51 AM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Today saw a AD in Hindi Navbharat Newpaper...it seems to be a Freedom bike launch...and shall be launch in 2/3 days....

**veryhiphop** · 06-10-2013, 10:06 AM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

LML Freedom 110cc launched in Delhi...here is the AD from newspaper....no bike technical specification mentioned nor the price...only thing mentioned in BAISTACON technology....

**SatSon** · 06-10-2013, 11:20 AM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

LML Freedom 110cc launched in Delhi...here is the AD from newspaper....no bike technical specification mentioned nor the price...only thing mentioned in BAISTACON technology....

Freedom was launched by LML around 10 years ago and was a flop, now they're back with the same engine, shape and finally NAME?

**princesirohi** · 06-10-2013, 12:15 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

seems to me like a perfect recipe for a flop product.

nice effort though to revive the company.

**bbsrailfan** · 06-10-2013, 01:17 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

the same engine, shape and finally NAME?

Well, what changes could a company possibly offer for a bare-basic 110 cc commuter, except for alloys, redesigned fairing and stickers? HH has been doing the same since the last 25+ years with the Splendors and LML did the same too!

Talking of the engine, we have reached a point where we can no longer extract any more out of existing technologies. 8bhp and 8NM is the standard output that a puny 100cc air-cooled, carburetted engine can offer. Now there are 2 options to choose from:
1. Offer better technology (FI) at a higher price
or 2. Play a gamble with a cheaper price and old technology.

Option 1 is definitely a riskier move from the manufacturer's point of view - if it fails, they will incur massive losses. So option 2 is what 99% of them stick to - which is why, the economy-commuter segment has remained constant and unaffected over the decades.

**rreneav1987** · 06-10-2013, 02:21 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

Freedom was launched by LML around 10 years ago and was a flop, now they're back with the same engine, shape and finally NAME?

I am not sure if it was a super flop or flop.. I see lots of freedoms in Delhi-NCR (around Ghaziabad) running even now.. maybe in some cities it was a big flop and in some cities it a little successful..

**ryan.virgo** · 06-10-2013, 03:05 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

Well, what changes could a company possibly offer for a bare-basic 110 cc commuter, except for alloys, redesigned fairing and stickers? HH has been doing the same since the last 25+ years with the Splendors and LML did the same too!

Talking of the engine, we have reached a point where we can no longer extract any more out of existing technologies. 8bhp and 8NM is the standard output that a puny 100cc air-cooled, carburetted engine can offer. Now there are 2 options to choose from:
1. Offer better technology (FI) at a higher price
or 2. Play a gamble with a cheaper price and old technology.

Option 1 is definitely a riskier move from the manufacturer's point of view - if it fails, they will incur massive losses. So option 2 is what 99% of them stick to - which is why, the economy-commuter segment has remained constant and unaffected over the decades.

They should launch a 250cc Adreno

**rreneav1987** · 06-10-2013, 04:02 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by ryan.virgo View Post

They should launch a 250cc Adreno

I liked the energy.. but not the Adreno.. yuck

They even had graptor & Beamer and till now i guess no one knows about it

**riazmomin** · 06-10-2013, 06:21 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Freedom was not flop actually. It sold in decent numbers and comparable with Bajaj 4s at that time. This was the time where people used to blindly go for splendour and market was/is dominated by Hero during that decade.

And it was better looking of the lot after Energy.

**rreneav1987** · 06-10-2013, 08:54 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

Freedom was not flop actually. It sold in decent numbers and comparable with Bajaj 4s at that time. This was the time where people used to blindly go for splendour and market was/is dominated by Hero during that decade.

And it was better looking of the lot after Energy.

Freedom looks more like a passion... besides people trust hero honda so thet go for it.. i loved the energy.. it was one of a class

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**bbsrailfan** · 06-10-2013, 10:06 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

I liked the energy.. but not the Adreno.. yuck

They even had graptor & Beamer and till now i guess no one knows about it

+1 for the Energy,in Emerald Green! And yes, the Graptor was one of my personal favorites and existed in the list if my dream bikes for a considerable amount of time before the "definitely male" Pulsars eliminated the Graptors from the markets completely.

Tapatalk'd from my Nexus

**rreneav1987** · 06-10-2013, 10:22 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

+1 for the Energy,in Emerald Green! And yes, the Graptor was one of my personal favorites and existed in the list if my dream bikes for a considerable amount of time before the "definitely male" Pulsars eliminated the Graptors from the markets completely.

Tapatalk'd from my Nexus

Graptor was a nice looking bike but couldnt keep up in sales.. only if people were not looking for mileage during those period.. besides lml was not known for reliability.. besides people didnt wanna take risk.. but personally i loved energy amd graptor.. got many change ride energy but not the graptor..

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**princesirohi** · 06-11-2013, 12:23 AM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

instead of 200 CC scooter why don't they launch a 200CC bike... everyone will be much happeir..

**rreneav1987** · 06-11-2013, 06:59 AM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

instead of 200 CC scooter why don't they launch a 200CC bike... everyone will be much happeir..

Very true.. they are targetting the old people i guess..

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**SatSon** · 06-11-2013, 02:04 PM

re: LML Star 200 and Freedom Launch: xBhp News

Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post

Well, what changes could a company possibly offer for a bare-basic 110 cc commuter, except for alloys, redesigned fairing and stickers? HH has been doing the same since the last 25+ years with the Splendors and LML did the same too!

Talking of the engine, we have reached a point where we can no longer extract any more out of existing technologies. 8bhp and 8NM is the standard output that a puny 100cc air-cooled, carburetted engine can offer. Now there are 2 options to choose from:
1. Offer better technology (FI) at a higher price
or 2. Play a gamble with a cheaper price and old technology.

Option 1 is definitely a riskier move from the manufacturer's point of view - if it fails, they will incur massive losses. So option 2 is what 99% of them stick to - which is why, the economy-commuter segment has remained constant and unaffected over the decades.

Its not about technology, atleast they could've given it a new name and looks, to keep up with the 100-110 cc bikes like Disco 100T, Dream Yuga, Passion Pro etc.
Splendor brand name is so popular and proven and still top seller in market, so no point in comparison.
Also, when LML relaunches NV Spl, there is a point - NV Spl was LML's top seller ever(I owned one back in 2000's) and got some retro value.
But Freedom - it sold just for around an year or so and then LML itself had been wound up.

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

Freedom was not flop actually. It sold in decent numbers and comparable with Bajaj 4s at that time. This was the time where people used to blindly go for splendour and market was/is dominated by Hero during that decade.

And it was better looking of the lot after Energy.

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

I am not sure if it was a super flop or flop.. I see lots of freedoms in Delhi-NCR (around Ghaziabad) running even now.. maybe in some cities it was a big flop and in some cities it a little successful..

Freedom was not that flop in my city too, only because the LML dealer in our city was very good in marketing, he was giving good exchange bonus to Splendor/Passion/Caliber/Boxer owners who came for exchanging Freedom.

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