Bajaj always pleased us by evaluating Pulsar in right direction. First Disc brakes, First big tires, First light illuminating switches, First turn indicators auto offs... all of them. But these are evolution or may call it improvements over good stuff.

What I mention about revolution is FZ series & R15 from Yamaha, which was once failed by bringing bikes like Libero, Crux and all that shits. Its really wonder and hardwork from Yamaha, how they bring these wonderful bikes. Crux to R15 was like high leap in term of quality & design or may call it revolution... my personnel view.

Please note, all major automobile success continues by evolution. Take Corolla from Toyota or Accord from Honda. These are 7/8 generations hierarchy... All of them improves generation by generation... by evaluating their strengths. Good products often not needs sudden changes. Hope u got my mean.

Right..now i get what you mean bro, and i do agree with that.
Crux may have failed in the market but its a great bike bro, i own a crux 58k kms and its still going strong, many of my friends ride it and comment about its engine refinement and smooth gear box.
But work of yamaha was indeed revolutionary, the way they upset the market leaders till then was just mesmerizing.
Now lets not go off-topic.
Back to pulsars.

What about bread & butter 150 cc engine? Is that also KTM made?

and hence we are going to witness and evaluate a revolution and evolution.

That was 200 cc KTM engine.... as said. But what about 150 cc bread & butter engine? No clarity about fact that, it was a Bajaj or KTM or anything else....

Most of 150 cc "popular" bike costs 65 to 75k. Rs.100k, is beyond limit of buyers and beyond competition. To sell well, Bajaj has to keep the price within range, for what KTM heart is weighty.

In second or third upgrade, tire size was changed from 18" to 17".

Compare riding position of pulsar with Unicorn & R15. With compare to Unicorn, it is sportier, and for R15, its relaxed one...

Correct me if I m wrong....

Yes there was a range of pulsar 150 and 180 which had the 120 section rear tire like the 220 and then after a few months i saw new(unregistered) pulsars being delivered and on road with thinner tyre. If they were of old stock or not i may never know cause i couldn't check it out,i think the pattern on the front disks are different on the old stock ones,but all those were new unregistered bikes.I noticed this in more than one delearship.

Rightly said bro......
what if the riders were wrong or just speculated.....?

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220 with 250 cc heart... ok got your point.

there is demand for faired bikes, but with the coming of KTM, suddenly everybody seems to like naked and realize that naked can offer significant weight reduction and all. and also among the bikers who are registered with one or other biking forum, there seems to be a trend to like naked bikes, thats why i said so.

and regarding deltabox frame, deltabox is just a fancy name just like dtsi and exhaustec, one can always make a similar chasis with minor changes and get it patented in his name whether or not deltabox is patented by yamaha. that is what everybody does. otherwise how do you get so many medicines with almost similar composition. don't you know who invented wiper for cars, do you think every car make pays him a royalty. having said all this, i am not saying that new pulsar will come with deltabox frame. i was not the one who was speculating about it.

cheers.

Radiator: It is little bigger than the normal P220's radiators.

Gearbox was different compared to the general P220s. Pattern was the same but bit alienish bar.

Locksets: Its different from general P220s. The rear of the keys was big black box type with a button.

No Pics.. sorry.. I dint carry my cellphone

Overall performance was better than the P220s. It accelerates faster compared to the normal P220s, the throttle response is great. I was told by the riders that they had done a great topspeed for a number of times, dint tell me the number though.

Had a long chat with them and convinced them :P

About handling, its better but I felt a little tourerish type (I feel a lot like the same while riding Fazers)

Comparing to my 220Fi's throttle response, it was way better. The gearing is little taller than my 220 though. It was a pure bliss on revving high...

220 with a 250cc heart? Firstly then why the hell is it a 220 then? Then what is the Ninja doing? Its not a 220, its a 200 firstly. Secondly it is lighter and I guess it does have more bhp, even though the p2w ratio is better. Frame did change, but it is nothing like delta.

About price, just dont be so sure, coz the guy who told he himself wasn't so sure.

Big difference between the KTM (I rode it numerous times) and this pulsar is it doesn't have that huge pickup as that of the KTM but has a better topend. You will simply love the rear tyre, tis wide. I hope they change those front disk and put something like that of the RTR the petal disks (Simply love the looks except its chi-chi sound).

Some insights of the meters: They are greatly designed. Left side is the RPM meter with a black background and pulsar witten. In the middle there is a small meter, I failed to understand what it was for. The right side was the speedo.

^^^^ you literally kick started this thread

Lots of good news there, but did you enquire about proabable launch date.

Typically they got two bikes testing together (from spy pics), were there two bikes, if so, is the second bike same one or is it different or did you forget asking that in excitement

Wow, interesting,so a different design for the key.Kewl...!!! Too bad we couldn't get any pics.It would have been really superb if you could have managed a click or two.Or even a video.

Now it sounds all the more exciting,a very powerful naked bike outperforming the 220.

I'm assuming that the Riding position is not aggressive,from what you said. That again is great news.All together it seems a nice pacakage is in the making.
And also i think we can conform that it will be having Fi then.

Yamaha might have the registered trademark over the "Deltaox" name but certainly not any patent to "Perimeter" frames. Any manufacturer can (and do) put Perimeter frame on its bikes. Deltabox is the name Yamaha prefers to to call its Perimeter Frames, just like it calls the monoshock suspension on its bikes as "monocross" suspension.

Similar examples of different manufacturers calling the same thing with different names are "Uni-track" and "Pro-link", which are basically nothing but marketing speak for Kawasaki & Honda respectively for "Linked Mono Suspensions".


But then do take a look at the spy pics, the bikes don't seem to feature a conventional downtube frame.. so who knows, the frame on the Next Gen Pulsars could well turn out to be a trellis (like the Duke) or a perimeter (like the R15)..!!

Hi All,
Seen 2 super bikes in Goa in the last week of December 2011 and the first week of January 2012. Both the bikes were MH registered (in tiny fonts but had numeral 1 in bold font.). Both riders were seen speeding down the NH 17. Unfortunately could not take pics to post.