this thread is alive ... hmmnn

Ok so this might sound a bit silly but I rode a friend's Passion in Jaipur for about 50 Kms and I really liked that bike. Very lightweight, decent handling and a super smooth engine...I might just buy one with disc brakes in the future...

OMFG.. Impossible mate.. Just so impossible Tanay.. saala you'll stand and the bike will pass underneath you.. lol..
Sorry for the OT folks..

And i thought every bike is respected .

I don't think anything is crap about it. If you do not like that means it is not crap. At the end of day it is more comfortable than most bikes here.
I own an extreme but i feel more comfortable on my joy and this is what matters. There are lakhs and lakhs people who like reliability, comfort and mileage more than performance.
And i think i joined xbhp as every biker and bike are treated equal but i see that here bikes are differentiated by company, engine size, cost, features e.t.c. It is same as our country which is priding itself in saying we are secular but our politician are busy in dividing the country in religion, caste, creed, religion to name a few.

I have friends who own almost every bike, bajaj, hero, honda, TVS and i like all. Bikes are bikes and they are dear to who owns them. Heck when somebody owns a bike he slowly grows attached to it. There are many here itself who graduated from passion/splendor and still have fond memoirs and many who have still kept them including me(joy).
By saying this particular thing you have attacked direct on our heart. Remember once a word comes out from mouth then it cannot be taken back and it makes a lasting impression.
At least you being a senior member of a biking community like xbhp, we didn't expect anything like this from you.

And regarding crap can you explain how?
It is at neck with most 100 cc commuter out there and most important it will last long than most other bikes. Testimony is my bike. Heck i always feel my joy is more reliable even after all this years than my new extreme.

Many on the forum show disrespect towards the bikes that they don't like. And many of those who own big bikes see the low cc bikes as crap. For them, upgrade means a bump in bhp everytime, and they expect 20 bhp from a 100 cc at 45k price. This attitude is especially among college-going immature members. It is sad they don't realize small bikes are targeted for a different category of people.

The new Passion should come right now to stop the onslaught carried on by the Discover series.
OT: And people,calm down. There are a lot of young, immatured blood in Xbhp now a days. So certain things are bound to happen. Lets show our patience and explain them in a soft tone.

Can you give a source for your information please?

College going immature member...? Hmmm...

Sorry to break your bubble... I am a 31 year old businessman who has been riding since the last 16 years... I have owned a rx100, a splendor, a cbz (original), a pulsar 180 and a pulsar 220... I am a biker since I was 12... So there... Your notion is officially flushed down the drain... And it is not about whether or not "I LIKE" the bike... Its called "stating the truth"...




+1...
People will come up with any sort of bullshit stories to defend sticker moto corp and Honda... oops... I mean Hero moto corp... The 2 companies which continue to give us substandard products and think of us Indian consumers as backward imbeciles... It's surprising to see the fan following they have... *sigh*

Hehe I never saw hat coming. You really broke many bubbles and balls.
Any ways,I do respect your opinion, but do not thrust it upon others. Hero's incapability of making new Indigenous products is obviously not hidden to any one. But I dont blame them.Look at the sales chart of Hero now. The Igniter is selling in better numbers than the Stunner ever did. This is what called as trust, the people have, for the company. It has created such a huge loyal customer base. Let them some time before expecting something BIG. And I am no Hero fan either. But I have a HH Dawn(first bike) since last 10 years. And i swear by its reliability. Just hope,they keep the reliability factor constant, and give us better products,rather than cheaper ones.

j4zbz: Since you are a mature person with considerable exposure to motorcycling and motorcycles in India as you state, I guess you should take care to post like one. Generic comments like calling some machine 'crap' is pure opinion and not in any way a 'fact' as you claim and defend it to be. And it is your inconsiderate voicing of opinion in the manner it has been that is being resented here. Please respect the choices others make and show it. One can safely assume here that for every comment of 'crap' for a machine selling in big volumes as the Hero Moto ones are, there are probably 50 users of the same on road. And considering most of them sane and balanced individuals, there must at least be some good in it for it to be so widely appreciated. looking forward to more constructive contributions from you.

Tell us more about how Joy, CD Dawn, CD100, CD100SS, CD100Sleek, Passion, Passion Plus, Passion pro,etc. were different. Tell us how they milked the one engine that they had. Tell us more about how the customers are being exploited by selling age old tech at high prices. The engine was bullet proof. Agreed. But, does that justify keeping it in the market for so many years and selling under different names? Same state of tune, same mileage.

Appreciation of good products and companies is one thing. But this is blind fanboyism. It is because of the fanboys that the company doesn't think twice before selling the same *more than a decade* old shit.

Addition of stickers is not an upgrade. This is the first time passion will be sporting a different engine. Else, all the iterations of the Passion have had the same chassis, engine, body panels, etc (don't count the tail cowl and the taillight of the last passion with the horizontal engine). This is one of the reasons why you will often see a Passion being called crap here on xBHP.

What the general public thinks about a bike and what xBHP-ians think are different. The herd mentality is not seen here.


About the ignitor, it is not at all selling better than the stunner. Atleast not in Mumbai. When it comes to calling a brand trustworthy, Honda is much more trustworthy than Hero moto since the breakup. Even general public knows this now.

The post I am about to make is NOT intended towards any member of this forum.
It is my observation and opinion about the general (aam admi) two wheeler public in relation to Hero.

Most hero honda (now hero moto corp) products are aimed towards the standard familiy man. This family man has never bothered to understand two wheeler technology as he has other priorities. So he does not know what he is being sold. As long as ten people around him say that it is a good product he will buy it. He will not do research on what other products are available and what their strengths and weaknesses are. Hell, he will buy it because his father, uncle or some other relative has owned one.

Many of you believe that people trust hero honda products. Well I see ignorance and fear on part of the people as they are not very keen on making a change in their established mindset, ie: hero honda bikes are better than anything else and everything else will fall apart in a couple of years. As people in India believe hype over fact, hero has had a head start entering the market earlier than other comparable motorcycle manufacturers. As their products actually were decent, that mindset was established and continued.

Another issue constantly brought up is reliability. Most commuter bikes I have seen starting from the cd 100, the 4s champion, boxer, caliber, so on and so forth equally reliable in my eyes as i still see 4s champions running in perfect mechanical condition. I see splendors with 16000 kms in 10 years with 2 block changes and I see calibers which are running bone stock for the same amount of time with much higher mileage (as in kilometers run, not fe).

I am not playing a blame game here. However I do not like Hero Honda's policy of exploiting the common man's faith in their product and not bringing in anything different in terms of technology for years as their position was not in threat. If you look at it from an unbiased prospective it is not as if hero never had access to even the simplest of two wheeler technology like standard discs, digital ignitions, digital meters or newer engine designs because they immediately implemented these features as soon as some other manufacturer started giving them.

Hope you understand my point.

Finally, someone who understands.
Yes the goodies started coming in only after a few years of the competition implementing them. For example, the digital speedometer and LED tail lamps made their debut in the Pulsar UGIII way back in 2007 whereas HH implemented the same in Hunk much later, the caliber croma had a front disc brake back in 2001 whereas the passion got a disc brake much later. These are one of the many things where HH exploited their customers. Fanboys, please don't justify this by saying that the passion is a commuter bike and doesn't need all this.

Pulsar and the discover came with alloy wheels in 2005, and it was only after that, HH realised alloy wheels are a good addition to a bike. Later the platina came with alloy wheels and then HH introduced alloy wheels for the passion.



It is the herd mentality that gives HH the sales numbers. They entered the market when it was dominated by scooters and that too they entered with Honda. It was natural that they would get a very good response from the general public. Later, there were the first batch of customers vouching for the bikes leading to more buyers. This is not a bad thing considering their bikes weren't bad back then. Not saying that their quality has degraded over the years. My point is, where is the innovation?




PS: Not a Bajaj fanboy or a HH hater. Just pointing out the facts.

I put it more in the bracket of "herd mentality" and "fear of change"... There is a huge difference between trust and those two words... Just because Hero and Honda advertise it as trust doesn't mean it actually is trust... Indians have a Honda phobia...

I am not disrespecting anyone by my post... Although it has been unfairly deleted by Sunilg... It is my "OPINION" and I have just stated it... Isn't that the purpose of a "FORUM"... I am sorry but I don't get paid by any company to give biased opinions...

Also I haven't said "Oh this is such a crass product... No one should buy... Please don't buy..." And I don't go trolling all Honda threads... Unlike some highly "knowledgable" people from either side who go trolling on the others threads... I think it's a crass product and so I said... If someone had a problem and weren't fanboys they would have simply asked me "why do u think so"... But instead there are fanboys out to defend it and flame me... When I don't think I have done anything wrong by stating it... My friend had a passion I hated it...

Also it speaks volumes about the mentality of the company... Just because people are buying your product you don't need to progress and give them better stuff... As Pavan has mentioned... Same engine in maybe 7 different avatars... Just different plastics...



I completely agree with both of you... The herd mentality is what lets companies like these stuff age old products down our throats.... REPEATEDLY...