Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

A full faired 200 cc Pulsar doesn't make sense to me.. and that not Mr. Bajaj's style.

If there indeed are 2 full faired Pulsars then apart from the big 375 cc there could be a 300 cc variant. A 300 cc full faired could kill 3 birds (R15, CBBR150R and CBR250R) with a single stone (300 cc Full Faired Pulsar).

The big Full Faired Pulsar can remain the unchallenged "Desi Dhoom" King


Note: I am dismissing the Full Faired Karizma's totally here and not considering them for the time being.


But I sincerely hope for a Pulsar 300NS for guys like me.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Original news - Bajaj plans 2 super sports bikes under Pulsar brand | mydigitalfc.com

You're right because, the above is not the news, but assumptions expressed

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

@aargee: I've expressed it clearly. News in place of news. Didn't I mention what Mr. Bajaj said?
As far as assumptions are concerned, everyone is making them. From Bike India to Motoroids. And Thanks for Copy Pasting, I could have done that too FYI, but copy pasted link doesn't open people's perceptions.

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Guys, somehow this recent Bajaj-KTM presence has made us all expecting anything without thinking. We're getting dreamy. Alright, let's talk logic (without the ego please).


You think that in a few months' time they will prepare a new engine by re-planning the 375R's blueprint? With the Workers' strike and all? And even if they are using the 375R as a platform, what's the point of lesser cc's? If I was Bajaj, I wouldn't waste money & time on a 300 that has to be built up from ground in a few months, if it will cost as much as a 375 only.
And what do they have to do to sell a 200SS? Nothing much, they have a ready engine in 200NS and it already has a more suitable frame than Duke 200 has.

Think about it: P200 SS for budget conscious customers looking for CBR/ R15 alternatives. P375 for the upper-rest. Makes complete sense.


Yes it could kill these 3 birds easily... and so could the P375 SS (or whatever the name), based on the Duke 390. At probably a similar/ marginally increased price.
So, why would you specifically want 75 lesser cc's when there's a "ready" engine of 373cc's? Can't understand, please explain it to me.

Let's see what happens anyways...

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

That's because there is a nice gap between the 200 cc new gen engine and the 375 cc engine. I see an opportunity for a 300 cc brigde to bridge that gap nicely.. not only in terms of Engine CC, bhp but also in terms of pricing.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Exactly my point

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

I see some interesting & healthy discussion going on.....
Diplomatically, I see both possibilities but since BAJAJ clearly stated '2 bikes', we're left with confusion. I do not know Mr. Bajaj but I feel if there's a faired 200 cc, the pricing will be difficult because they just cannot price the 375 cc way above D390 (we'll know the reasons) and coming down from that price level, MAYBE a 290/300 cc makes more sense.

PS - Above post is solely based on my thoughts

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Will these 300 or 375cc models can compete with Yamaha and Honda's Trust and Build quality ? My concern is that only.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Maybe the plastic quality in 200 NS isn't upto the mark but the build quality is excellent, way better than the previous generations of Pulsars. It's such a neat job, though it's a naked. If not better, it might be at par with Honda / Yamaha. That's my observation.
Bajaj R&D might have done their homework this time to iron out any few issues with the 200 NS to ensure they don't creep into the new Pulsars.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

you are bang on SAT. i remember KTM CEO talkning about a bike which sits between D200 and D390. it can be and it should be a D300, and they can price it at 1.55 (1.3+1.8)/2.

now taking a 30k gap between P300NS (15k gap for P300SS) and D300, P300SS at 1.5 on road can eat Japs for breakfast, lunch and dinner...

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

It seems only time will tell how many CC's would be given to these 2 upcoming super sports. Lets hope they are not just adding a full body fairing and naming it a SuperSport but seriously focusing on the track focused performance and handling too.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Have you ridden the Pulsar 135LS or the Pulsar 200NS..??



With the 390 Duke priced at Rs. 2.0 Lakh on road, I expect the big Pulsar with the 375 cc engine to be priced at Rs. 1.5 on road.. which could mean that the hypothetical Pulsar 300 could be priced at around Rs. 1.25-1.30 on Road (i.e at the same price range as the 150 cc R15 and CBR150R)..!!


And how much would I love it NOT to be a Full Faired one.

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

@Samarth it will be nice if you can link the sources to respective speculation.

Faired 200 will help Bajaj to get a pie of sub 200cc faired bike market. Because of aggressive pricing and performance advantage. A 373cc cannot give the efficiency/milage of a 200cc bike. so it makes sense to me.

But is it a new or a pure speculation?

Sad to find that Indians are still inventing/expecting/liking new classes between (200-250) and (350-400).

I hope bajaj will not go back to 20cc difference segment creation principles.

Throwing in an FI and Fairing to 200NS will weigh it around 1.2L in my opinion.

if p375 costs just 1.5 it will be very nice, chances are slim because, it need to FI as Bajaj said earlier that anything bigger will sport an Injector.


What is that typical advantage a 300cc bikes brings over 375?

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

The 200 cc Full Faired is pure speculation as of now.. and so is the 300 cc (my speculation).

There is no law in the world which Limits or Defines any so called "Classes".

"Segmentation" is NOT 20 (+) cc, 20 (+) cc is providing more options, at various price points. Any manufacturer would do it as long as there is demand. Some do it (provide options) with "Stickers", some do it with "Paint Schemes", some do with with extra plastic, same do it with 20 (+) cc's.


"Segmentation" is a different ball game

Re: Bajaj preparing 2 "Super Sports" motorcycles under the Pulsar Brand? P200 SS?

Ok, got your point clearly. Although, I'm not sure if Bajaj Auto will agree. Bajaj were the ones, who discontinued P200, sometime before the P220S was released with almost same looks, cost and a 220 cc engine.

So, if they need a 300cc engine, they'll either have to work on existing engine or get a new one. If they can make a 300cc reliable engine in the meantime or get one from KTM stables, go ahead is what I would say.
A re-bored bike (for a bigger engine) like Ninja 300 has a better engine to carry almost the same amount of weight, and can be relaxed, and is better in most ways as long as its reliable enough. If KTM have a ready 250 engine to be rebored to 300, and enough testing time, then they should do it.

Reg. making the 373cc a 300cc, I don't get good feelings from this thought itself. I remember how Ninja 650R was changed only engine-wise, to make it a Ninja 400R, just to get a measly 40~ bhp bike weighing 203 kgs, a non rev-happy engine & the same old parts & looks. And that too with the same manufacturing & maintenance cost (just 14% cheaper price) as a quite bigger 650R.

So, what did Kawasaki achieve by "filling this segment" of 400cc? Just license legality for some markets? Would we like a 400R in India at price of a 650R?
My humble belief is that they should just make a good bike, and not just fill segments.


BTW all this is just a discussion... Who knows what Bajaj have up their sleeve?



@kochumvk: Truthfully, the 200 SS is just my speculation. Don't take it as a news.
The thing is, see how rev happy the Duke 200 engine is? It deserves a fairing is what my point is... that's all.