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**leech** · 02-14-2017, 05:27 PM

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[MENTION=75833]Kaushik Iyer[/MENTION] Anna, you are operating on a high level of physical fitness, and you're able to ride continuously with your weight balanced on hands and feet, and core. 80% of the population won't be able to keep this up for more than 50 kms.

I've done several 600-800kms rides a day, and I'm unable to keep my core continually tight enough for optimal weight transfer to the feet and hands. The body just fails after a couple hours, and the back aches.

**Kaushik Iyer** · 02-14-2017, 05:34 PM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

Originally posted by leech View Post

@Kaushik Iyer Anna, you are operating on a high level of physical fitness, and you're able to ride continuously with your weight balanced on hands and feet, and core. 80% of the population won't be able to keep this up for more than 50 kms.

I've done several 600-800kms rides a day, and I'm unable to keep my core continually tight enough for optimal weight transfer to the feet and hands. The body just fails after a couple hours, and the back aches.

Well probably ur right ... so hence kindly read the thread I just posted in earlier where regular bikers of the Binelli group are discussing the same "Posture for Long Rides" with arguments similar to what I made, who's words will probably carry more weight than mine, keeping an assumption they're as fit as 80% of the population.

**Auto** · 02-14-2017, 05:44 PM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

While we keep discussing (arguing?) on the posture, brakes, cooling system, tyres and other aspects of the bike, am I the only one who is bothered about not spotting even one test mule here in India yet? I am sure the Conti GT was not the final product. I believe it is a test mule with parts borrowed from the CGT. I also could notice that the chassis and the frame are not exactly the same between the COnti GT & the spotted test mule.

I also firmly believe that the twin is a 610cc engine and not a 750cc.. as the code word for the upcoming motorcycle is P61 - LS41 was for Himalayan I guess, which eventually got a 410cc engine. So I am expecting P61 to be a 610cc twin.

**kaosx** · 02-14-2017, 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by jazzysaravana View Post

Triumph Bonneville T100 and Ducati Scrambler, Harley Street 750 and others big players below the Rs.8 lakh price range also have single disc on the front, so what's your point? The current GT has brembo brakes, so will the 750. If there is enough stopping power from a single disc catering to the design parameters of the motorcycle, why do we need dual discs. GT 750 was recently caught testing with ABS too, so that variant is so also likely to be launched.

The current GT has 13ltr tank and many super-bikes and cruisers also have similar tank capacity, that doesn't take way the spirit of motorcycling right?

We can't really say how they perform unless someone takes it for a test-ride right?.

Nope. Even the Current GT does not share tires with other Bullets. Only GT has Pirelli tires.

Nope you're wrong again. The Current GT, Thunderbird 500 and Classic 500 all have the same Fuel Injected engines.

I honestly feel we must reserve judgement until the product is launched.

If they're gonna launch the GT 750 below Rs. 4 lakhs OTR, I reckon RE is gonna have a new breed of cult followers.

Sorry if I offended you in any way bro. Did not intend to do so. My comments are only based on what I see in the photos. I am (read 'was') a Bullet fan (having owned 2 myself) but am increasingly skeptical about their abilities to evolve with the market and new technology being launched.

You must understand, that you're doing a great injustice by comparing a RE with it's international counterparts - it's just unfair to the others. RE has failed to move in the right direction - technologically speaking, and even if they have, it's been too little too late. So I'll go point by point -
1. Brakes - I concede
2. I said, the tank 'looked small'. When the GT has a rider reported average of 15-18kmpl, how much do you think a 750 twin engine is going to give? The least RE could've done is give it a larger tank for convenience. The Bonny T120 has an on road average of 18kmpl, so please do not compare with foreign bikes as RE has never been known for it's real-world efficiency. My ER6N gives me an average of 20kmpl in city, and it's a 650cc/75bhp motorcycle.
3. FYI - the exposed surface area of a radiator is directly proportional to the amount of ram air it can encounter to cool the liquid within, it's physics and not based on on-road performance. That radiator belongs on a sub-350cc motorcycle. A test ride is not going to do justice to how well cooled the engine is, 1 hr traffic in Mumbai is going to accurately tell you if it works or not. The GT IMHO and experience is a real leg burner.
4. The GT is a 184kg motorcycle, leads me to assume the 750 will be 200+kg. A 100 (front) & 130 (rear) tire(s) are not really supportive and in fact cause the same handling problems on a GT, if not more. Pirelli or MRF, the width of the tire directly affects rider ease and motorcycle handling, again - physics.
5. You're correct about the others, but I thought I saw a carb in the first image below the riders knee. Good if you're right, sad if it's true.

And I don't mean to sound rude, but the GT hasn't sold as many units as the other bullets because it's a messy hunk of metal that's leg burning, hard to control and steer (having ridden it myself and by knowing 2 friends who own and ridicule the motorcycle) on which you can neither cruise nor cafe 'race' through city streets, so please do not use the GT as a benchmark of motorcycling, especially when RE knows that the GT was a commercial failure. Not because of it's price, but because it was a technological let-down. Also noteworthy, the HD Street 750, a bike more than twice the cost of the GT, sold more during the same period. Now the Himalayan, that's a different story where RE has really upped their game....finally.

Also, it would be best if we stopped accepting what Indian manufacturers provide us as "new" bikes. If the 750 comes with the same tank, tires, stance and brakes as the older GT, then what is the difference really?? One additional pipe and 200cc....?
It is only when international companies come in do we realize what rubbish we have been putting up with as paying consumers. Bajaj has been doing this for the last 10 years with their Pulsar/Eliminator range.

**jazzysaravana** · 02-15-2017, 03:26 PM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

Originally posted by kaosx View Post

Sorry if I offended you in any way bro. Did not intend to do so. My comments are only based on what I see in the photos. I am (read 'was') a Bullet fan (having owned 2 myself) but am increasingly skeptical about their abilities to evolve with the market and new technology being launched.

You must understand, that you're doing a great injustice by comparing a RE with it's international counterparts - it's just unfair to the others. RE has failed to move in the right direction - technologically speaking, and even if they have, it's been too little too late. So I'll go point by point -
1. Brakes - I concede
2. I said, the tank 'looked small'. When the GT has a rider reported average of 15-18kmpl, how much do you think a 750 twin engine is going to give? The least RE could've done is give it a larger tank for convenience. The Bonny T120 has an on road average of 18kmpl, so please do not compare with foreign bikes as RE has never been known for it's real-world efficiency. My ER6N gives me an average of 20kmpl in city, and it's a 650cc/75bhp motorcycle.
3. FYI - the exposed surface area of a radiator is directly proportional to the amount of ram air it can encounter to cool the liquid within, it's physics and not based on on-road performance. That radiator belongs on a sub-350cc motorcycle. A test ride is not going to do justice to how well cooled the engine is, 1 hr traffic in Mumbai is going to accurately tell you if it works or not. The GT IMHO and experience is a real leg burner.
4. The GT is a 184kg motorcycle, leads me to assume the 750 will be 200+kg. A 100 (front) & 130 (rear) tire(s) are not really supportive and in fact cause the same handling problems on a GT, if not more. Pirelli or MRF, the width of the tire directly affects rider ease and motorcycle handling, again - physics.
5. You're correct about the others, but I thought I saw a carb in the first image below the riders knee. Good if you're right, sad if it's true.

And I don't mean to sound rude, but the GT hasn't sold as many units as the other bullets because it's a messy hunk of metal that's leg burning, hard to control and steer (having ridden it myself and by knowing 2 friends who own and ridicule the motorcycle) on which you can neither cruise nor cafe 'race' through city streets, so please do not use the GT as a benchmark of motorcycling, especially when RE knows that the GT was a commercial failure. Not because of it's price, but because it was a technological let-down. Also noteworthy, the HD Street 750, a bike more than twice the cost of the GT, sold more during the same period. Now the Himalayan, that's a different story where RE has really upped their game....finally.

Also, it would be best if we stopped accepting what Indian manufacturers provide us as "new" bikes. If the 750 comes with the same tank, tires, stance and brakes as the older GT, then what is the difference really?? One additional pipe and 200cc....?
It is only when international companies come in do we realize what rubbish we have been putting up with as paying consumers. Bajaj has been doing this for the last 10 years with their Pulsar/Eliminator range.

Hey bro i was not offended in anyway because i don't have any emotional stake with RE. Just pointed/corrected some mistakes to clear the air. I am not really into the Royal Enfield brand, I consider them to be a cheaper version of the Triumph Motorcycles. The Continental GT is just an RE attempt to replicate the popular and stylish Thruxton.

Since my brother's friend owns I Speed Motors, RE Showroom in Chennai, one fine day a few months ago we casually went to his showroom to checkout the newly launched Himalayan. I never knew Continental GT existed until that day. As I saw i it I got shocked by what a stunning machine RE built. Then I came to know that it had many imported components(Brembo Brakes, Paoli Shocks, Pirelli Tyres) and that the Chassis was tuned in UK by Harris Performance, that it's leagues ahead of other motorcycles in RE stable. I asked for a test-ride and my brother's friend told me I can take home the vehicle and check it for two weeks and then give my extensive views on the same.

Except for some hideous weld joints, the Cafe Racer styling on the GT is a looker. I was surprised that it handled really well in-spite of being an RE and it cornered with ease on tight bends. The oodles of torque in the earlier rpms puts a smile on your face when you accelerate from stand-still but not as frantic as my old Duke 390. Unless you're in bumper to bumper traffic it the heat is not bothersome, see an open stretch or cruising on the highway the heat is not worrying. The Brembo brakes had good initial bite and was reassuring to see a RE bike stopping where i wanted it too! It returned a 22-24 kmpl for the two weeks i had, which was not bad. I felt it to be a bit under powered for its weight/chassis. Many other aftermarket mods make the bike look really amazing!

To give credit where credit is due I felt overall RE did a pretty good job with the GT, to make a similar Thruxton-ish Cafe Racer. So that's saying something from someone who doesn't like any other product they offer. So when i read the news that RE is testing a 750cc twin on the GT it got me excited.

If there is one machine in their stable I would like to own and put my money on, it would be the GT, lets see how RE brings the new version it out.

Cheers!

**PrinceCruise** · 02-18-2017, 04:36 PM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

Originally posted by kaosx View Post

And I don't mean to sound rude, but the GT hasn't sold as many units as the other bullets because it's a messy hunk of metal that's leg burning, hard to control and steer (having ridden it myself and by knowing 2 friends who own and ridicule the motorcycle) on which you can neither cruise nor cafe 'race' through city streets, so please do not use the GT as a benchmark of motorcycling, especially when RE knows that the GT was a commercial failure. Not because of it's price, but because it was a technological let-down. Also noteworthy, the HD Street 750, a bike more than twice the cost of the GT, sold more during the same period. Now the Himalayan, that's a different story where RE has really upped their game....finally.

Though I'm not qualified to speak on this matter having never owned an RE bike but literally a bunch of my close buds own RE bikes - mostly Classic and Thunderbird and I know their ordeal living with an RE.
Even though owning an RE was a dream once for me, the only bike from the current fleet (last 10 years) of RE I could seriously consider buying was - GT.

Not because it was any ways technically advanced, LOL no, but for the better quality parts used on an RE, for a change. The bummer was the riding position for me. I wanted a balanced-sports position, but on the GT test drive I couldn't really grasp the position no matter how much I tried. Point in case - I'm 5'5'' with not really long limbs. The price was also a bummer for me given the features it offered(or the lack of). I ended up going back to my trusted brand Yamaha but I still was test driving GT even after buying R15S.

I'm glad I didn't buy it, considering how the lack of spares is affecting its owners. This is pathetic to say the least.

Comparing Himalayan and GT - GT wasn't launched with as much as fanfare as the Himalayan, and the result showed. Its all about hype.

Regards.

**kaosx** · 02-20-2017, 04:45 PM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

Originally posted by PrinceCruise View Post

Though I'm not qualified to speak on this matter having never owned an RE bike but literally a bunch of my close buds own RE bikes - mostly Classic and Thunderbird and I know their ordeal living with an RE.
Even though owning an RE was a dream once for me, the only bike from the current fleet (last 10 years) of RE I could seriously consider buying was - GT.

Not because it was any ways technically advanced, LOL no, but for the better quality parts used on an RE, for a change. The bummer was the riding position for me. I wanted a balanced-sports position, but on the GT test drive I couldn't really grasp the position no matter how much I tried. Point in case - I'm 5'5'' with not really long limbs. The price was also a bummer for me given the features it offered(or the lack of). I ended up going back to my trusted brand Yamaha but I still was test driving GT even after buying R15S.

I'm glad I didn't buy it, considering how the lack of spares is affecting its owners. This is pathetic to say the least.

Comparing Himalayan and GT - GT wasn't launched with as much as fanfare as the Himalayan, and the result showed. Its all about hype.

Regards.

What I find to be really sad about RE is that we always fail to build on anything the British have left behind, like our railways.

**Satyamzma** · 02-21-2017, 11:19 AM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

I found GT to be fast but very uncomfortable.. Himalayan is most comfortable & offers amazing ride quality. basically i want GT styling & ride quality of Himalayan in one bike

**jazzysaravana** · 02-28-2017, 11:36 AM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

I found GT to be fast but very uncomfortable.. Himalayan is most comfortable & offers amazing ride quality. basically i want GT styling & ride quality of Himalayan in one bike

If that happens its gonna be real delight for us riders!

**sarvodaya** · 03-22-2017, 09:44 PM

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Team BHP Member Aravind Anand has caught the Enfield twin testing.

Image Courtsey: TEAM BHP

**jazzysaravana** · 04-10-2017, 01:15 PM

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Royal Enfield Continental GT 750 twin gets 270 degree crank

http://indianautosblog.com/2017/04/royal-enfield-continental-gt-750-twin-270-degree-firing-order-262942

The upcoming parallel twin motorcycle, the Royal Enfield Continental GT 750 is expected to have a 270-degree firing order. It is expected to be launched soon.

"Also new are the upswept two-into- two exhausts, as all Royal Enfields have previously been singles, and judging by the GT750s rather tasty exhaust note we expect it to have a 270-degree firing order."

**fullmoon** · 04-10-2017, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kaushik Iyer View Post

I feel this is a shorter stroke engine though I doubt they'll sacrifice the core RE philosophy of bottom end torquey engines, that's their DNA. Adopting Jap style will totally kill the brand & it's British Heritage. Brit bikes were different from the Japs at many levels... not necessarily better but different!!! And Enfield survives in International Market primarily for it's British-lineage and not it's "Indian" connection. And since the team involved is also primarily from UK I'm sure they know exactly what is required.

Exactly my thoughts..Inspite of all the disadvantages the bullets has (ask me, I own a old std 350 till date), Royal Enfield is successful & people are still buying it because It is the bottom end torque, loude singles, which are simple in mechanism. They were never sold for perforrmance, refinement or heck even relaiability. Switching them to short stroke or any high revving engines like jap style would kill their brand for sure.

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Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post

I feel C-GT is much more refined than other RE's and RE is improving steadily.

I test rode dominar few days back and it also feels vibey post its midrange i.e. 4400rpm

+1, the himalayan i test rode was really vibe less till 90 kmph, beyond i could not ride in that road condition

**blaw** · 04-10-2017, 09:43 PM

Re: Royal Enfield 750cc Parallel Twin [Spied]

Originally posted by JS16 View Post

The new 750cc motorcycle by Royal Enfield has been spied testing In Spain. It's a Parallel Twin motor and is expected to have a displacement of 750cc or so. Expected is a 6 speed gearbox which will also be all new. In the pics you can notice that it is a carburated variant but the final product is expected to have a Fuel injection unit.
The twin exhaust pipes are also clearly visible in the pictures.

This is the first time that the manufacturer is developing a twin cylinder motorcycle and it is expected to compete with the Triumph Bonneville though at a much lower price point.

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**princesirohi** · 04-11-2017, 01:08 AM

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this engine looks significantly different than the current engines of RE. finally RE is moving in right direction.

**jazzysaravana** · 05-13-2017, 06:42 PM

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