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**GP_freak** · 09-20-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

What I am wondering about is this - Wouldn't that full fairing choke the engine? I mean, will it get enough air to cool it off, because, it is NOT liquid/ oil cooled, but rather what we hear is that there is a oil cooler fitted similar to the P200/ 220.

Not always. Mostly the fairings are designed to skoop up the air when running and direct it towards the engine/radiator for better cooling. The only place it might suffer is in traffic jams. A bike with air skoops in full fairing might run cooler than the same bike without fairing (the bike shouldnt be stand still

)

**niranjanvaidya** · 09-20-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by GP_freak View Post

Not always. Mostly the fairings are designed to skoop up the air when running and direct it towards the engine/radiator for better cooling. The only place it might suffer is in traffic jams. A bike with air skoops in full fairing might run cooler than the same bike without fairing (the bike shouldnt be stand still

)

True, what also needs to be seen is whether HH uses the same block as the ZMA or has extra large fins.
I feel that this bike will be totally different in character to the usual ZMA. They must have played around with the gearing and the torque spread. I liked the new fairing minus the lower part. it looks quite aggressive.

**NJ7** · 09-20-2009, 12:29 PM

i'll reserve my comments till the official launch of this bike..
because if i say anything in support of the zmr rite nw,i'll be called a Honda fanboy..

if i say anything against it(frankly speaking,i don't have any) i'l be termed a bajaj or yammie fanboy..

out of pure personal opinion,i surely like this bike....

**viv.nomad** · 09-20-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

What I am wondering about is this - Wouldn't that full fairing choke the engine? I mean, will it get enough air to cool it off, because, it is NOT liquid/ oil cooled, but rather what we hear is that there is a oil cooler fitted similar to the P200/ 220.

not just to cool the components a slotted\layered fairing offers much better look!! HH installed one plain ugly stickered monolith fairing!

Originally posted by payeng View Post

There are bikes which have Air-Cooled engines along with the Oil Cooler which are Full faired as well.

If I am not wrong the Hyosung GT250R / GT250R EFi (the latest generation of the Hyosung Comet series) comes with a similar Air Cooled engine + Oil (is) Cooled set up along with the Full fairing.

The Hyosung GT250

The Hyosung GT250R

indian bike shouldnt be compared to one at foriegn.
even foreign pulsar will be different then Indian pulsar[ im guessing

are they]!

Originally posted by gauravbalu View Post

i have heard that the hunk is getting some face-lifting...
was told by the same guy who got this pics...

another sticker job!

**GP_freak** · 09-20-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by NJ7 View Post

if i say anything in support of the zmr rite nw,i'll be called a Honda fanboy..

if i say anything against it(frankly speaking,i don't have any) i'l be termed a bajaj or yammie fanboy..

I couldnt stop laughing after reading your post....

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BTW ,This bike will sell no matter what everybody thinks. Price might be the only factor. As always, the touring capabilities are going to be unchallenged even if it has the same power.

**kaka** · 09-20-2009, 12:42 PM

These are the specs
Hero Honda New Karizma ZMR PGM Fi Review, Hero Honda New Karizma ZMR PGM Fi Price Quote , Finance Hero Honda New Karizma ZMR PGM Fi, Comparison, Insurance - Automotive at MaxAbout.com

looks pretty neat but nothing out of the box ... i have a feeling that the headlamp looks a little like apache and the tail little like unicorn .. what say guys ??

the white color looks good .. can't wait to catch a glimpse of it on the road ..

**payeng** · 09-20-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by viv.nomad View Post

indian bike shouldnt be compared to one at foriegn. even foreign pulsar will be different then Indian pulsar[ im guessing

are they]!

Wrong guess, as far as I know the export markets get the P180 and P200 and which are no different from the ones sold in India.

Originally posted by kaka View Post

These are the specs
Hero Honda New Karizma ZMR PGM Fi Review, Hero Honda New Karizma ZMR PGM Fi Price Quote , Finance Hero Honda New Karizma ZMR PGM Fi, Comparison, Insurance - Automotive at MaxAbout.com

looks pretty neat but nothing out of the box ... i have a feeling that the headlamp looks a little like apache and the tail little like unicorn .. what say guys ??

the white color looks good .. can't wait to catch a glimpse of it on the road ..

Hey kaka, that site isn't a great source for authentic news. By the way, the weight mentioned there for the new ZMR is 165 Kgs.

**fast_ferocious** · 09-20-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by NJ7 View Post

i'll reserve my comments till the official launch of this bike..
because if i say anything in support of the zmr rite nw,i'll be called a Honda fanboy..

if i say anything against it(frankly speaking,i don't have any) i'l be termed a bajaj or yammie fanboy..

out of pure personal opinion,i surely like this bike....

Rightly said buddy. Better be quiet, or get infracted

**titus7** · 09-20-2009, 01:43 PM

Karizma PGM-FI

would have luked awesome with a semi fairing........luks FUGLY alrite....but da speedometer console is innovative

**riazmomin** · 09-20-2009, 01:51 PM

Is it over???

I read some where here in this thread itself that this bike is Oil coooled (or oil is cooled). But not sure if we can find radiator anywerhe.
Exhaust is same, but matt black.

Sad part is that, There are no pics of the bike from other side. Does it have kick??

**46wannabe** · 09-20-2009, 02:23 PM

Got tired of reading at 50% of this thread. Now for my two cents:

1)The only parameter the ZMA lacked in was fuel efficiency. Which in all probability will have been addressed to a certain extent in the new bike.

2)Design has always been subjective. No points to be won/lost here.

3)Specs? I have learnt from life that its best not to keep hopes for certain things lest you dissappoint yourself when they get shattered.

4)I think the rear WILL be a signature statement for the ZMA(i mean ZMR) once again.

5)Can't wait to see the speedo unit switched 'ON'. Seems to be designed keeping tourers in mind. Although I wouldn't want a digi tacho on long rides.(sorry, but somethings shouldn't be changed)

6)Too bad I'm not working for an auto magazine. Else........

God Speed
Regards,
Joe

P.S.: There is no difference between the terms Oil Cooler and Oil Cooled. If you need to be precise, then 'Oil Cooler' is the device and 'Oil Cooled' means the function of the same device. Correct me if I'm wrong.

**myg124** · 09-20-2009, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

Is it over???

I read some where here in this thread itself that this bike is Oil coooled (or oil is cooled). But not sure if we can find radiator anywerhe.
Exhaust is same, but matt black.

Sad part is that, There are no pics of the bike from other side. Does it have kick??

No kick buddy.. dont forget its fuel injected now.

**NitinGirish** · 09-20-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Sikhbiker View Post

WTF.... Sorry but the old karizma looks much better.... My vote goes with R15 as the price is almost same.

Yes, but R15 set the tone (a bad one some might argue) didnt they?

Originally posted by KwokFist View Post

Looks like their marketing team made a perfect assessment of what the indian performance segment requires and caught some local fabricator to style the bike.

+1. Red colour bike looks like somebody has poured distemper on it

Originally posted by inflammable View Post

My strong conviction is... That the STICKER R&D TEAM must have designed this fairing... And I think the speedo console was the place where most of the time was spent while designing bike. Launch date was nearing so less time was spent in designing Fairing. They must have thought ""Indian junta to *****ye hain.. Heroine Honda jo bechenge.. woh bikaga.. Why spend time in improving a good design.. ""

Or else what would have happened is.. HH wanted to spend least amount of money in improving the design. As they wanted to utilize the R&D budget to throw money at HRITHIK DANCER ROSHAN... who can be also called as NACHANIYA. I have a strong GUT feeling... in the new ZMR ad... this NACHANIYA (Hirtheek Roshan) will get another chance to dance his ass off. NACHANIYA will dance & people will buy the product. This bike might sell.. but looking at the price tag.. I DOUBT that it will sell.

One more thing... majority of sane Men like dark blue... black... silver.. crimson red... as a color of chioce for their machines.. as these are evergreen colors.... And not Blood red.. parrot green... pink... But Hero Honda has mastered the art of providing machines in FEMALE preferred colors. As if they are not making machines for men...
What I conclude is... from today onwards we can call HERO HONDA as HEROINE HONDA.. Thanks to the wonderfull color schemes from the world's largest Moped Manufacturer.

P.S - Some of the Greatest automobiles in this world ever existed... have had no stickers on them...Just the name and logo. And we know what Heroine Honda makes.

LoL!

Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View Post

Come on leave Honda for a while now...

10 hours of brutal rape of their 6 years of hard work....

let the specs be out...
than start afresh........

Nothing gona change at Honda BTW.....

ROFLMAO

By far the most enjoyable comment of this thread.

Originally posted by BUSA@TEAM-BHP View Post

Very well said there. Bajaj makes some bikes for customer too, Hero makes all bikes for its shareholders.

Very well put. I think the Munjals are risk averse compared to the Bajajs.

The fairing looks like it has been forced upon the bike. No harmony in design whatsoever. As somebody already mentioned pricing (if true) makes R15s pricing looks cheap.

All said and done P220 & RTR180 seem to be the best two-wheeled excitement that is accessible to the masses today.

**buvanrajd** · 09-20-2009, 03:57 PM

no bike looks good in all angles. the pics are not taken in a proper way so lets not assume things and talk. Lets wait till the bike hits the showroom or atleast till proper pics are available .then we can talk about the specs and looks .wat say guys

**whizzkid_ram** · 09-20-2009, 04:15 PM

The most fugliest rear i have seen & 0.6 increase in hp

...Total disappointment...The excitement cache ends here

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