It's a huge disappointment from HH, For me it's looking good from the front even if looks similar to some Gixxers (looks are subjective) and the meter looks like there's something in it. Hope the specs are not true. Is that a clip-on? a normal handle bar can reduce the cost, if the clip-on fails to serve it's purpose. FI n rear disk are welcome, Sure the mill will perform better than the old trusted ZMA. but not better than we expected with these specs.


From HH's and non biker's perspective, this bike is better than R15, coz, now they have full fairing, clip ons, similar power output, rear disk,digital meters, LED lights (isn't it?), FI, same size of rear tires (n this one looks fatter than R15), and top speed of 135, and CHEAPER THAN R15.
but we know that, those head lights are similar to some Gixxers, clip-ons are similar to a normal handle bar, R15's 100 size rear tire is a soft compound one, R15 has a mono shock, diasil cylinder,a better frame (best in the country) And it's ultra light. AFAIK most of the people things that more weight is better, so for them ZMR is better.

This bike is a good choice for the premium INDIAN commuters, posers whatever (not for BIKERS), unless the given specs are not true. Because, most of the Indian posers/commuters(I couldn't get the right word) overwhelm when they see a full fairing even in a CD deluxe. That's what the game HH playing over the years, repainting, jazzy stickers etc. They are sure that most of the Indians will go for it, And Hrithik is there for their help. We bikers comes hardly 25% among the total two wheeler users. So HH not caring for us. They wanted to be in the top of market share. That's it.

This is my view, not to harm anyone.

Hey NJ, your post seems to convey more HH fanboyism than anything

even after this 6 years,even with the so called "innovations" rival companies can only match upto zma.
The 220 siblings Si & Fi & R15 & A180 convincingly kick a ZMA. Not for nothing does the ZMA finish last in most shootouts in most magazines. What saves the grace for this otherwise good bike is the refinement of the engine and the low stress feel that one gets from it. Otherwise, for all performance parameters, the competition is ahead.

what is the use of dts-i,exhaustec with consumers still cribbing about the reliability factor??
Did Bajaj Advertise them as performance mods?...like with DTS-i you get 3 more BHP? How many people who pull their tongues out and start blabbering know that in DTS-i, both the plugs do not fire all the time? They have a map and it is only at partial throttle and mid range rpm that both fire in delayed succession to ensure complete combustion. A side effect is improved driveability.
Regarding the reliability factor, it applies to any machine. Neglect its basic needs and it turns unreliable.

then bajaj came up with a blunder by pulling it back and launching a carburetted version
They did not go back. Please get your facts right. The ZMA had an advantage in the 220+ segment cause for most, price matters a lot and with the Fi system, the 220 Fi did have a disadvantage. Both the Fi and Si are available; with the Si selling like hot cakes as a total VFM, Bajaj stands vindicated in it's approach


ZMA may not be the fastest indian..but it is the perfect tourer..
Is it? So why does it STILL not have tubeless tyres or better headlamps? why is the bullet still preferred?

ZMR will launch new segment of 220cc+,oil/liquid cooled tourers with fi..and they'l never pull back the bike from market saying that carburetter is the future..
Perhaps you can explain why the regular ZMA will still be sold along with the ZMR?

p150 for cbz,,p220 for zma..
come up with some thing of their own..launch a new segment..maybe 250cc++
Well, this time it is HH that has done a copy cat...mixed various parts from its cycle bin and "copied" features of other manufacturers rather convincingly.

Dont get me wrong on this. No one is interested in criticizing a good bike but the expectations of Honda fans(including me) have been blown out with this rather lackluster product.
As far as criticism is concerned, there are people who believe the the 2009 R1, BUSA and the Blade are Ugly

I hope the specifications speculated in this thread is not true.17.6bhp? Hero Group Will Consider Tie-up's with Other Corporations for another extended period of life(since Honda is Here in India all alone!) OR Consider a R&D Tie-UP aka Technical Collaboration with the Many Great Motorcycle Manufacturers around the Globe.

Oh yes, the 2009 R1 and the Blade are Ugly.. the blade being the most Ugly to me.. but we all know that its an awesome machine otherwise.

Whoa!! The new zma looks like the combo of a GS150r HD in the front gladiator tail lamps and dunno bout the side. It looks somewhat like a chinese remake of the existing zma !!

1. The competition is ahead for just 6 months after launch, later they loose steam, remember how P200 smoked Zma in initial and later got smoked !! Remember Apache ad. "9 bike of the year awards' ? where is this bike today?!! Zma is ruling since 6 years and is the ONLY popular bike in 200+cc segment !!
2. What VFM ? a premium bike w/o functional mirrors, an upgraded fairing with dozen damping elements which still vibrates, auto choke shocks!!
3. Price doesn't matter to a 'biker', even in 100cc poor/middle class are able to shell 45K for Splendor, which many people say it's not worth that much...so premium bike buyer 10-20K should be nothing. DTSFi would have sold if it was good bike
4. Tubeless has it's own share of disadvantage, get enlightened with some knowledge. Touring is not recommended during night, btw, 35W is not totally useless for night riding.
5. Let HH brief the media, untill then better not to speculate
6. Better than Pulsars and it's siblings, same tank same sidepanels same engine block, well what's not same ?? Even names are same !!

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....HH Fanboy...


have started learning on how to ignore Vipin's posts cause his love for HH is a prime case of ignorance.

I think you missed out on "And riding at 80+ is also hazardous"

humnn.......many biased views here...everyone have there views...lets talk this arguement after release of Zma... i own 220...n looking forward for ZMr as well..so lets take it sportly...

Absolutely!!... it depends on kind of roads you are riding, remember we recently mourned a biker's death who rode at wrong speeds on wrong roads ??

On the brighter side , when the zmr comes in I can actually get a good deal on the old touring machine

@vipin : sorry but I guess I will ignore the HH fanboys

Duh! And you still do not get it? These are all variants of the same bike!

BTW, I wonder why this guy is still around in this forum. Always instigates brand wars and then suddenly steps down and does a u turn when the heat gets unbearable. I for one, have learnt to ignore his silly posts.

2) - You cant Patent old ideas. Legal system doesnt allow that. Patent itself means NEW INNOVATION. Get complete knowledge and then talk in public. There in no point in talking about stuff without having LEGAL KNOWLEDGE. SHUT UP. Dont talk about stuff you dont know. That shows your immaturity. SHUT UP YOU IDIOT. Mods can you please raise an infraction for spreading wrong knowledge and info.

3) Ok does that mean companies like BMW, Hyundai, Fiat, Yamaha etc are fools to constantly innovate and provide new technologies. Does that also mean when we talk about APPLE.. they were fool when they launched Iphone. which has got numerous patents in its name. Every year Mobile companies launch new improved Mobile phones. They are fools. Shut up.. you are One Unique person I see who says Innovation is not required in HEro Honda products. And for your infomation.. Hero Honda is just selling Splendor & Passion. Thats the only place where they are growing. Go and confirm the statistics. I have my numbers ready.

4) ASK any GOOD engineer with bent for Research & development. Ask him which company he would like to join.. Bajaj or Hero Honda. (Considering he is aware about Bajaj & HH both are doing at Engineering & Innovation front.) He would choose Bajaj anytime. I bet.

5) Hero Honda is not great as you think it to be. Where is the innovation. An example from outside automotive. IBM, GOOGLE, MICROSOFT.. they are f**king innovative companies. They are some of the best companies to work for. Thats why they sell.

6) I know and most of the guys understand that you belong to class of CHEATERS.

BTW did I tell you that Bajaj is paart of National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap.. with other comapnies.. They are working on Hydrogen Engines. And moving towards commercializing and more market penetration.

And Heroine Honda is not part of group. As Heroine Honda is busy making spledors and passions. Heroine Honda will take years to understand what Hydrogen is.

Am getting a 'Deja Vu' from my previous experience of some other forums.. thread is being hijacked and thereby becoming irrelevant.

^hehe.....agree..partially..totally.........