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**nitinsen** · 09-19-2009, 10:33 PM

Oh No!! no digital instruments.. damn its oudated! And when we get digital... Damn no analog!

We won't be happy anyways!.. Should we be really bothered about the specs.. i don't know really, in my opinion they don't really matter for a bike like ZMA which was never a bad performer even in the face of new updated competition!!

Hell "The Fastest Indian" got serious threat from smaller RTR 180 just a couple of weeks after its launch and RTR nearly beat it in acceleration and is obviously better in braking.. I think if HH wants to make a bike which is fastest in its segment then they can very well & better maybe but I don't think its their aim... I think they want to make a bike which sells in suburbs as good as in metros & no exclusive showroom is required, a bike which gives you an equally good ride on bad roads, congested mad traffic as on highways and good city road.. it may well eat up some market of R15 as well in markets where the public is not so educated as us xbhp Bikers, the small towns where a bigger engine is better for the ego then a deltabox chasis, better tyres, precise handling etc etc.. just my opinion!!

**riazmomin** · 09-19-2009, 10:43 PM

Personally I too liked the looks, But Still would love to see this bike in flesh to give a proper justification to the words I say rather than throwing mouth around.

People cribbed, they keep on cribbing...Fuel Injected ZMA was expected since longggg...When they get it...they crib about it...

Sorry to say, But XBHP is surely not doing upto the mark. I am not sure if its loosing its charm and competency around. This forum needs change. Sunny...hope you are listening.

I have seen a thread for Suggestions beign get locked instantly, I wonder what could be the reason for that..!!!

**payeng** · 09-19-2009, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

Personally I too liked the looks, But Still would love to see this bike in flesh to give a proper justification to the words I say rather than throwing mouth around.

People cribbed, they keep on cribbing...Fuel Injected ZMA was expected since longggg...When they get it...they crib about it...

Sorry to say, But XBHP is surely not doing upto the mark. I am not sure if its loosing its charm and competency around. This forum needs change. Sunny...hope you are listening.

I have seen a thread for Suggestions beign get locked instantly, I wonder what could be the reason for that..!!!

I don't see anybody complaining about the Fuel Injection part.. But guys usually associate an expensive tech like Fuel Injection with "PERFORMANCE".. and the "speculated" bump in performace here is merely 0.6 bhp.

Moreover its the styling which has not gone down well with (including me) most of the guys. After all Indian bikes shouldn't look like Chinese ones.

**backsplash** · 09-19-2009, 11:05 PM

All we know is how to crib...certain things have their charm...be it..you cant always be flying at xxx kms/hr.the zma has some peculiar traits of its own..some swear by it..im one of them.looks are subjective..people hate porsches too.

**nitinsen** · 09-19-2009, 11:06 PM

^^ I share Payeng's thoughts about styling.. front looks more functional but the side body work is very.... poor!

FI adds better fueling, which will make the bike smoother & more fuel efficient throughout rev range but performance bump is not its primary characteristic..

**rohitabc** · 09-19-2009, 11:12 PM

I will not wait for another bike launch or speculation guys, buying YAMAHA finally.. Decided R15 ..

HH disappointed me badly

**Satellite.kid** · 09-19-2009, 11:20 PM

Correct, PGM-FI will definitely give the new Karizma a big edge over the competition (FIed/non FIed both). I am looking forward to ride it

**krishnadevanur** · 09-19-2009, 11:21 PM

disappointed

Didn't like the looks, also, specs indicate that there is no major bump in power. At this point, if I've to sell my ZMA-R to go for a new bike, definitely p220 and R-15 tops the list. I have owned 2 zma's previously and they have never disappointed me in ride quality but have had their fair share of issues, but this new ZMR, definitely not my taste.

Cheers,
Krishna

**riazmomin** · 09-19-2009, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

I don't see anybody complaining about the Fuel Injection part.. But guys usually associate an expensive tech like Fuel Injection with "PERFORMANCE".. and the "speculated" bump in performace here is merely 0.6 bhp.

Moreover its the styling which has not gone down well with (including me) most of the guys. After all Indian bikes shouldn't look like Chinese ones.

May be I was not able to put my words clear. I am not stressing on performance part. I am stressing on the Vital change that was made (Read FI). couple of years ago or more we all know how much the FI version of ZMA was anticipated. So we have it now with FI, fancy DIGITAL meters, Rear disc. Not sure if tires are tubless/softcompound. And monoshoc is not there (but still keeping ZMA in mind) even this must be a very good handler next only to the current monoshoc ones.

The Speculated bump in performance, is still speculated as we are yet to know about the power specs and etc.

Styling: That would be useless to discuss as its SUBJECTIVE.

I dont like looks of few bikes that are treated as very stylish and catchy, this doesnt mean that i say anything about it.

**payeng** · 09-19-2009, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by nitinsen View Post

^^ I share Payeng's thoughts about styling.. front looks more functional but the side body work is very.... poor!

FI adds better fueling, which will make the bike smoother & more fuel efficient throughout rev range but performance bump is not its primary characteristic..

Correct.. none of the Fi bikes launched in India have had a significant bump in terms of power compared to its carb variants (Eg. Glamour Fi, RTR 160 Fi, P220 DTS-Fi), crisper throttle response and better breathing at high altitudes seem to be the real benefits of "Fi" over carb variants.

Also its seems a carb set up can also deliver equally good fuel efficiency. The P220 DTSi ownership thread suggests that P220 DTSi owners are actually reporting better fuel efficiency than their P220 DTS-Fi counterparts (strange but true).

Originally posted by riazmomin View Post

May be I was not able to put my words clear. I am not stressing on performance part. I am stressing on the Vital change that was made (Read FI). couple of years ago or more we all know how much the FI version of ZMA was anticipated. So we have it now with FI, fancy DIGITAL meters, Rear disc. Not sure if tires are tubless/softcompound. And monoshoc is not there (but still keeping ZMA in mind) even this must be a very good handler next only to the current monoshoc ones.

The Speculated bump in performance, is still speculated as we are yet to know about the power specs and etc.

Styling: That would be useless to discuss as its SUBJECTIVE.

I dont like looks of few bikes that are treated as very stylish and catchy, this doesnt mean that i say anything about it.

Yes, the power figures are still very much "Speculated".. lets wait till the official figures are released.

About the Styling / Looks of the new ZMA, an opinion could clear how many people love it or hate it.

After being treated by the handsome Yamaha FZ series... the styling bar for motorcycles has been raised quite high for Indian bikes.. and I would only like it to be raised even higher.

**themadrussian** · 09-19-2009, 11:26 PM

We should now stop expecting performance bikes from indian manufacturers . i did not expect much , i dont care about new bike launches anymore . either they will be liter bikes which cost a fortune or puny little 20hp mopeds who can corner only better than a cow . i do not exclude the R15 as it is too IMO underpowered. the masses are happy paying 10 grand for fairing and paint jobs. manufacturers do not care about average enthusiasts with not a very big budget , but big enough to buy a tax free indian assembled/made 250 or 600.

**rahuldevnath** · 09-19-2009, 11:30 PM

There's no point in commenting on the styling. I liked the ZMA, just because of the smoothness, Liquid Cooling, PGM-FI will only add to it. The console looks great, in fact the best, according to me.. Can I have that on ma 220?

As far as touring is concerned, I'm always biased towards simpler engine, and less fairing. What's the point if it's gonna be pain en route to Leh?

Overall, whatever the case, it's a welcome change. It may not stir the competition, but it will sure strengthen its position. I think while designing the fairing, they knew 80% of the Indian youth, would love a "Haybusa Style" bike, whether it gels well or not with the rest of the body.

**Janardhanan** · 09-19-2009, 11:30 PM

well guys.. i must say a thing here.. i ahve frnds who work for TVS and bajaj..

when i asked them abt a high performance indian bike like say 250 cc and above .. they replied saying

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

the cost of producing the dies and other equipments , r and d wont break even when the bike goes on sale

**myg124** · 09-19-2009, 11:31 PM

Yes i completely agree with nitinsen... When HH will finally give more horsepower and price the bike in lacs, then people will start cribbing about it as well, asking for more and more and more, but not willing to pay!

Gimme a break! I guess zma didnt want to bear the brunt of being labelled as an expensive bike as the R15 for eg, which a lot of people still criticise for its low engine capacity and high price. And mind u, HH has always paid attention to style and looks but also keeping in mind the technology is affordable for its customers.

And I am not speaking not coz i own a Zma, but moreover as a general perspective. sometimes we demand too much!

**riazmomin** · 09-19-2009, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by themadrussian View Post

We should now stop expecting performance bikes from indian manufacturers . i did not expect much , i dont care about new bike launches anymore . either they will be liter bikes which cost a fortune or puny little 20hp mopeds who can corner only better than a cow . i do not exclude the R15 as it is too IMO underpowered. the masses are happy paying 10 grand for fairing and paint jobs. manufacturers do not care about average enthusiasts with not a very big budget , but big enough to buy a tax free indian assembled/made 250 or 600.

I would definetly not blame Hero Honda because they dont have any R&D except claimed Sticker R & D, So I never exect performance bikes from them.

But what could be the problem with other Manufracturers who seems to have their own R&D. Definelty there are certain reasons that are stopping them that might be out of our reach.

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