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  • #586
    Originally posted by myg124 View Post
    heres a shot of the zmrs oil cooler.. mounted vertically.



    image source: the zmr website.
    Any ideas does that has a radiator fan?
    I wonder how that engine is going to run in the summers with that completly enclosed fairing.
    One of the awesome feelings I had in my life is to see the world receding on my back mirror

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    • #587
      Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
      Oil cooled : Engine oil is circulated through an element which works like a radiator, hotter engine oil becomes warmer. Ex.P200; ZMR

      Liquid cooled : A liquid is circulated around the engine to absorb heat and the hot liquid passes through radiator like element. Ex. R15 and Car are generally liquid cooled.
      bhai which one is better ...liquid or oil..
      use E BYKE..eco frdly..
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      • #588
        Originally posted by devilanish View Post
        bhai which one is better ...liquid or oil..
        AFAIK liquid cool engines have better cooling than oil cooled.
        I doubt there is any fully faired bike with oil cooler arrangement.
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        • #589
          I guess liquid cooled is better as it deploys a coolant liquid to keep the engine cool. with the oil cooled thingy, dont know much..somebody share some gyaan plz.
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          • #590
            xBhp Times, Delhi!

            Originally posted by CJ View Post
            ZMR will slow down the sales of R15 surely, .
            Really. Can you throw somelight as of why ..?

            Originally posted by pinku.narendra View Post
            I think I am in love with this bike after seeing the pics of bike in action...... I did not like it when I see the pics in Launch show....
            You will fall in love,yet again,Try seeing the bike in Flesh once!

            Originally posted by pinku.narendra View Post
            My choice is Black....
            White looks bloody Amazing, Though black also rocks!

            Originally posted by whizzkid_ram View Post
            I hope ZMR sales would only marginally increase after its ad
            AD..?? What will hrithik do now.??

            Originally posted by SAMPATH_K View Post
            some more ZMR pics . droool on.....


            On the right hand side digital cluster...does it say AVG/L next to the fuel bar or should i change my specs ..again!!!!.If it really mentions the average.. nothing like it....first in an Indian motorcycle
            That is an Instant Mileage Indicator.

            Originally posted by myg124 View Post
            The ninja has an analogue console?! looks dated in front of the zmr..


            the ZMRs beams r bang on n the gsxr like design looks much nicer than the ninjas!












            Woooow!!! That is a jolly good comparison.

            Originally posted by myg124 View Post
            heres a shot of the zmrs oil cooler.. mounted vertically.



            image source: the zmr website.
            This pic is very dissappointing, i was expecting HH togive Liquid Cooling,Not this kind of SH!T..Oil Cooler..

            Definately,NOW i am very dissappointed!

            Originally posted by biker boy View Post
            Any ideas does that has a radiator fan?
            I wonder how that engine is going to run in the summers with that completly enclosed fairing.
            Yaar it is Oil Cooled like P200 or P220 DTS-I or DTS-Fi were,it is not liquid cooled like Yamaha R15. which would have a Radiator or A Fan! :MAD:
            Very Dissappointing!
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            • #591
              Be it the 220 or ZMR, we have to keep in mind that it is not "Oil-Cooled", rather the "Oil IS Cooled".

              It will not deploy a fan like the R15. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. But in general cooling efficiency, Liquid cooling is better.
              Democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep meet to decide who is for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has a gun.

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              • #592
                Originally posted by Aparajith View Post
                Be it the 220 or ZMR, we have to keep in mind that it is not "Oil-Cooled", rather the "Oil IS Cooled".

                It will not deploy a fan like the R15. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. But in general cooling efficiency, Liquid cooling is better.
                So you mean the oil goes through the cooler to maintain its viscosity right?!
                "Never recreate from your memory, always imagine new places"

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                • #593
                  Originally posted by Aparajith View Post
                  Be it the 220 or ZMR, we have to keep in mind that it is not "Oil-Cooled", rather the "Oil IS Cooled".

                  It will not deploy a fan like the R15. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. But in general cooling efficiency, Liquid cooling is better.
                  Egg-Jactly!!!

                  Originally posted by myg124 View Post
                  So you mean the oil goes through the cooler to maintain its viscosity right?!
                  That's it,Nothing Else...That is why Liquid Cooled is Better!!
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                  • #594
                    Originally posted by myg124 View Post
                    So you mean the oil goes through the cooler to maintain its viscosity right?!
                    Well, a cooler oil is lot more viscous than warmer oil. So the hot oil is re-circulated through the radiator-like-cooler-thingy and exposed to the oncoming wind to cool the oil down and bring it back to normal viscosity levels and sent back to the engine for usage.
                    Democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep meet to decide who is for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has a gun.

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                    • #595
                      Originally posted by Aparajith View Post
                      Be it the 220 or ZMR, we have to keep in mind that it is not "Oil-Cooled", rather the "Oil IS Cooled".

                      It will not deploy a fan like the R15. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. But in general cooling efficiency, Liquid cooling is better.
                      In an air cooled engine. air takes away heat from the engine. In an water cooled engine, water does so. But water too needs to be cooled. In an oil cooled engine, oil does so. Yes, oil cooling is not done just to maintain oil viscosity but also to take away some heat from the engine, as air flow is disrupted due to the fairing. And that oil too gets cooled by the air.

                      So, what is the difference? Oil cooled - engine is cooled by oil, oil is cooled - oil cooler cools the oil, which gets hot by taking away heat from the engine.

                      From what perspective do you find the 2 different? If possible, an example of a bike using each technology would be nice!
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                      • #596
                        Originally posted by L.P. View Post
                        Egg-Jactly!!!


                        That's it,Nothing Else...That is why Liquid Cooled is Better!!
                        Got it unclejee
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                        • #597
                          Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post
                          In an air cooled engine. air takes away heat from the engine. In an water cooled engine, water does so. But water too needs to be cooled. In an oil cooled engine, oil does so. Yes, oil cooling is not done just to maintain oil viscosity but also to take away some heat from the engine, as air flow is disrupted due to the fairing. And that oil too gets cooled by the air.

                          So, what is the difference? Oil cooled - engine is cooled by oil, oil is cooled - oil cooler cools the oil, which gets hot by taking away heat from the engine.

                          From what perspective do you find the 2 different? If possible, an example of a bike using each technology would be nice!
                          Ur wrong buddy. Take a liquid cooled engine like an R15 or R1. The engine is enclosed in a water jacket and the water is running around the engine effectively siphoning the heat away from the engne. This water is cooled by the radiator, which is not the case on an oil-cooled engine. There is no separate oil coolant that forms a jacket to take the heat away. Its the same oil used for lubrication that is being cooled. So ur not siphoning the heat away from the engine using an external element, but rather removing the heat from the lubricating oil.

                          Check this for oil cooled engine: Oil cooled diesel engines - KUBOTA-ENGINE - Internal combustion engine
                          Last edited by Aparajith; 09-25-2009, 06:53 PM.
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                          • #598
                            zmr with monosuspension would have been eligible to be compared to the ninja .
                            for now no chance
                            ninja rokz all the way
                            also technically zmr feels way backward then the R15
                            it stands midway between p220 and R15
                            hence no competition and hence a safe(boring) step taken by hh
                            Last edited by honda_vings; 09-25-2009, 07:09 PM.
                            The Automotive batteries are designed to work best in a typical short start-stop fashion.
                            So to increase the life of your automobile battery, blow the horn and flash the pass light in a quick start stop fashion instead of a conitnuous long horn blow or flash light continuous on!!
                            And obviously don't stretch the self start far too long.

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                            • #599
                              Originally posted by Aparajith View Post
                              Ur wrong buddy. Take a liquid cooled engine like an R15 or R1. The engine is enclosed in a water jacket and the water is running around the engine. This water is cooled by the radiator, which is not the case on an oil-cooled engine. there is no separate oil coolant that forms a jacket to take the heat away. Its the same oil used for lubrication that is being cooled. So ur not siphoning the heat away from the engine using an external element, but rather removing the heat from the lubricating oil.

                              Check this for oil cooled engine: Oil cooled diesel engines - KUBOTA-ENGINE - Internal combustion engine
                              Yeah, it is true that oil cooling is not as efficient as liquid cooling. And it works just as you have described. My point was about the terminologies. I wanted to say that there is no difference between oil cooled and oil is cooled. At least, haven't found an engine where separate oil is circulated in a jacket around the cylinder block, which by your definition would be oil cooled. Wiki too agrees with me. Also, could not find out how the engine given in your link works. When oil is used as a cooling medium, it collects heat from the engine and cools the engine (thus, oil cooled engine). This oil is cooled by the external radiator.

                              Hence, I guess both terms are correct and mean the same thing.
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                              • #600
                                Originally posted by L.P. View Post
                                Really. Can you throw somelight as of why ..?
                                1)It is a Hero Honda!!
                                2)Price
                                3)ZMR will be better choice for taller riders around 6ft! as R15 is little puny for ppl like me when compared with ZMR

                                Just my personal opinion..

                                ZMR has the 6th Cog ??
                                Adverts here :D

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