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**shabbir.aslam** · 12-16-2009, 01:46 PM

when will the booking start

Hi,

Can anyone let me know when the booking is supposed to begin for Pulsar 135 LS.
I had called up the Bajaj showroom in Kolkata but they where like.....

**vipin_s** · 12-16-2009, 07:10 PM

No doubt the bike looks good and a welcome thing for a 'Pulsar' image, now it needs to be seen if the older Pulsars will get hit due P135LS...NDTV's Siddhart also has similar opinion....

**TnT** · 12-16-2009, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View Post

Has the bike hit the showrooms in Pune...?

Anyone...?

No, it's braking was too good, it just stopped short.

Hyd - no.

**dream horse** · 12-17-2009, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by cicatrix View Post

"wat i supposed to say is that they r not the first to put 2 plugs in multi valve"
Yes they are not! But they are the first to have a 4-Valve Combined with their revolutionary DTS-i (Digital Twin Spark-ignition) technology.

"this is a marketing gimmic"
Ok, manufactures in past and current have marketed much stupider and pointless stuff to Indian folks and I would like to name a few but then I will look like a hater who is fueling brand war. The 2 plugs in a cylinder is an age old proven technique to not only increase fuel efficiency, but to improve and increase power at lower rpms and that is how the earlier versions of this technologies were marketed by a European motorcycle manufacturer (which I wont name for obvious reasons but has intials of M B and W in their name

)

"the 2 plug tech is not the first to put up by bajaj it as been copied from BMW, moto guzzi.............if these guys put a case on bajaj they cannot wake ups for decades" Ok, again a lot of tech was first on BMW for the first time and most common examples include:
1] Telescopic front fork
2] Earles fork
3] Single-sided rear suspension
All this tech is used by many manufactures around the world everyday. Would you call, lets say, Fucati copy cat, as they use single-sided rear suspension on their beautiful italian designed bike or Bonda to do the same for their racing spec bike? No because all this companies may be using the same concept or the principle behind them but they have different design, setup, purpose and result. Hence all of these tech can be patented. And trust me if BMW could put a case on bajaj so that they cannot wake ups for decades, they would have as their CEO is not the father in law of bajaj's CEO.

Also it is not a case that bajaj is a backyard company about whom BMW does not know about as bajaj has a recruited some of their staff from BMW!

"these all r bigger bros but the one thing is housing these items in smaller place & which is not even a big thing for chinese manfu" I know what chinese manufactures are capable of. How? Coz I live in CHINA! And would you like to know what Chinese manufactures are capable of ? Nothing! Their stuff is such that even Chinese friends interested in bikes say, and I am quoting,"中国摩托车质量不好。千万不要买国产的车。买日本产的吧！"means, Chinese motorcycles are of poor quality. Never ever buy domestic made bike. Better buy Japanese made.

"if the internal cycle parts r not made with quality even ur R15 go kaput.................so do not compare the tech with the quality" Even F1 cars, high end million dollar German/Italian made sports cars go kaput. What is the point?

"the RTR & pulsars doesn't exprienced these sort of things that's b'coz of the bigger co influence (u may accept r may not accept, but this is the truth)
wat ever the product thrown at us being brought by us hence do not say that all good bikes will sell well that to with these many gimmics we all will fall for that"
Now you are scaring me with your conspiracy theories!

"tell me the reason y the bike like GF's, LML's, honda uni (just bit) haven't made the bright day for the manu do u know y the reason is the markting gimmics..............."
I have a reason why these bike dont sell: The bigger part of market is not looking for what these bike have to offer!

"the bike selling in no's r not good & vice versa"
Man stop! your conspiracy theories are creeping me out!

"flame is a commuter bike which should be riden in less than 7500rpm if u ride it in close to red line for an hour that too in a track & u will say that it couldn't take a lil abuse"
If a rusting 1983 model TVS 50 XL can ride close to red line for an hour that too in a track conditions then I guess a 2009 flame should be able to take a similar abuse! Maybe it was a bad lot of machines made by few angry blocks who had a bad tea in the morning from their ugly looking wifes!

My point being people are prone to make mistake and so are companies. So lets not worship them!

that was a nice hit.

but not for me

i think you should have inspired by the movie lines "flash of geinus" even before you gave the ans you should have watched this movie....

most of the automobile which we use is not the first & not a the one made by our genius...every allen screw & nuts have been copied we can't argue for those things...

the thing i like to tell is why the bajaj should file a case on TVS for their first multi valve 2 plug set up do guys think this a right move by bajaj & now who is going to claim the tech

this is totally child play.

nothing in this india sales without a gimmic so bajaj is no exception & they are the real kings in those things....right

comin to the garbage can ther is a product which measures the size of the garbage & open its mouth to put the waste in to it.... so even a 50 cc bike sporting 4v is not bad but when they have flag ship bike y can't they put the tech in & improve the quality of that line up...

no india bike as the quality to withstand the abuse made in track so flame is not the exception

**apacherenator** · 12-17-2009, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by cicatrix View Post

"wat i supposed to say is that they r not the first to put 2 plugs in multi valve"
Yes they are not! But they are the first to have a 4-Valve Combined with their revolutionary DTS-i (Digital Twin Spark-ignition) technology.

"this is a marketing gimmic"
Ok, manufactures in past and current have marketed much stupider and pointless stuff to Indian folks and I would like to name a few but then I will look like a hater who is fueling brand war. The 2 plugs in a cylinder is an age old proven technique to not only increase fuel efficiency, but to improve and increase power at lower rpms and that is how the earlier versions of this technologies were marketed by a European motorcycle manufacturer (which I wont name for obvious reasons but has intials of M B and W in their name

)

"the 2 plug tech is not the first to put up by bajaj it as been copied from BMW, moto guzzi.............if these guys put a case on bajaj they cannot wake ups for decades" Ok, again a lot of tech was first on BMW for the first time and most common examples include:
1] Telescopic front fork
2] Earles fork
3] Single-sided rear suspension
All this tech is used by many manufactures around the world everyday. Would you call, lets say, Fucati copy cat, as they use single-sided rear suspension on their beautiful italian designed bike or Bonda to do the same for their racing spec bike? No because all this companies may be using the same concept or the principle behind them but they have different design, setup, purpose and result. Hence all of these tech can be patented. And trust me if BMW could put a case on bajaj so that they cannot wake ups for decades, they would have as their CEO is not the father in law of bajaj's CEO.

Also it is not a case that bajaj is a backyard company about whom BMW does not know about as bajaj has a recruited some of their staff from BMW!

"these all r bigger bros but the one thing is housing these items in smaller place & which is not even a big thing for chinese manfu" I know what chinese manufactures are capable of. How? Coz I live in CHINA! And would you like to know what Chinese manufactures are capable of ? Nothing! Their stuff is such that even Chinese friends interested in bikes say, and I am quoting,"中国摩托车质量不好。千万不要买国产的车。买日本产的吧！"means, Chinese motorcycles are of poor quality. Never ever buy domestic made bike. Better buy Japanese made.

"if the internal cycle parts r not made with quality even ur R15 go kaput.................so do not compare the tech with the quality" Even F1 cars, high end million dollar German/Italian made sports cars go kaput. What is the point?

"the RTR & pulsars doesn't exprienced these sort of things that's b'coz of the bigger co influence (u may accept r may not accept, but this is the truth)
wat ever the product thrown at us being brought by us hence do not say that all good bikes will sell well that to with these many gimmics we all will fall for that"
Now you are scaring me with your conspiracy theories!

"tell me the reason y the bike like GF's, LML's, honda uni (just bit) haven't made the bright day for the manu do u know y the reason is the markting gimmics..............."
I have a reason why these bike dont sell: The bigger part of market is not looking for what these bike have to offer!

"the bike selling in no's r not good & vice versa"
Man stop! your conspiracy theories are creeping me out!

"flame is a commuter bike which should be riden in less than 7500rpm if u ride it in close to red line for an hour that too in a track & u will say that it couldn't take a lil abuse"
If a rusting 1983 model TVS 50 XL can ride close to red line for an hour that too in a track conditions then I guess a 2009 flame should be able to take a similar abuse! Maybe it was a bad lot of machines made by few angry blocks who had a bad tea in the morning from their ugly looking wifes!

My point being people are prone to make mistake and so are companies. So lets not worship them!

I think Bajaj has got the dts-i patent for engines under 200cc capacity i guess, otherwise they could have sued RE for their TBTS(350cc) right!!...Here your argument that BMW can sue Bajaj makes no sense!!...

**saj** · 12-18-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by apacherenator View Post

I think Bajaj has got the dts-i patent for engines under 200cc capacity i guess, otherwise they could have sued RE for their TBTS(350cc) right!!...Here your argument that BMW can sue Bajaj makes no sense!!...

i always wondered how did bajaj get the above said patent right

i mean a technology is a technology. it can be put on any cc engine. be it a 50cc or 500cc or 5000cc, be it a bike engine or a car engine, what makes the difference in technology???
how could a company claim it when they did not develop it?

it is just like i take a technology from a bigger company and get it patented on my name which i use on my smaller products?? its crap!

if say yamaha or hmsi patent their monoshock for smaller cc bikes, then indian bikes will never come with the mono shocks right?

may be i am ignorant.. need some guru gyan on all this..

saj*

**Devilpulsarian** · 12-18-2009, 01:28 PM

Did anyone visit any of the Pune dealerships....?

Is the bike available in any of them, Wakdewadi....?

**cicatrix** · 12-18-2009, 02:34 PM

A bit of clarification

"i think you should have inspired by the movie lines "flash of geinus" even before you gave the ans you should have watched this movie...." Sorry mate I am the most uninspiring person to have ever walked this planet

and movies(regardless of their nation of origin) is the last place that I look for inspiration. Also that movie flash of genius was never heard of by me and I had to wikipedia it to know what it is about. I guess that is more than enough on speculations about me.

"most of the automobile which we use is not the first & not a the one made by our genius...every allen screw & nuts have been copied we can't argue for those things..." That is completely true! And that is because a patent is granted only for a limited amount of time after which the tech is open for public use. That is the reason why today any one can freely use telescopic front fork on their bike. And I say there is no shame in being a copy cat by using a handlebar on a motorcycle rather then joystick!

"the thing i like to tell is why the bajaj should file a case on TVS for their first multi valve 2 plug set up do guys think this a right move by bajaj & now who is going to claim the tech this is totally child play." Bajaj filed and won the rightful revenue from TVS launching a bike with a 2 plug setup because the reasons are simple and clear. Bajaj owns the patent of use of two spark plugs on a vertical single cylinder engine up to the displacement of 250 cc for the duration of certain number of years. During this time period if any one else were to employ similar set up on their products, it can still be penalized by law. And that is the law. But now question arises why did not the court ban the setup from being used by TVS? Because it is considerably different from the dtsi setup used by the Bajaj as dtsi set up is limited to use of twin spark plug on a vertical single cylinder irrespective of valve setup and hence the TVS can only be penalized for that. To give a clear example let us consider the example of pharma industry. If a Bayer company owns a patent to a drug Aspirin and another company say ABC makes the same drug ditto to ditto as it is then it's forbidden by the law and ABC is strictly punished. But if ABC makes Aspirin by altering its chemical structure just a little in such a way that its effect, absorption or certain other aspect is altered marginally than the court might not be able to penalize ABC and might ask ABC to pay certain amount from the sale of their product to the Bayer for sharing its patented drug.
I hope I have made the ambiguity of Bajaj-TVS patent raw clear once and for all. The laws of patent are not that difficult to understand but I am sure they are boring to read!

"nothing in this india sales without a gimmic so bajaj is no exception & they are the real kings in those things....right"
That is a swooping, non quantifiable statement which sounds every bit like a conspiracy theory! But tell you what it can be made into a clear, a readily quantifiable, intelligent statement! How? read the next line!
"nothing in this India(I suggest use of 'world' for greater poetic effect) sells without MARKETING so bajaj is no exception & they are the real kings in these things....right"

"no india bike as the quality to withstand the abuse made in track so flame is not the exception"Oh, Come on man!

What was my last line in the previous post?
"My point being people are prone to make mistake and so are companies. So lets not worship them!"
Do the people who make (s)weeping statement like NO INDIAN BIKE HAS QUALITY TO DO THIS or INDIAN BIKE/CAR/AUTOMOBILE COMPANIES MAKE PRODUCT WHICH LACK IN QUALITY or NOT AS GOOD AS THE GERMAN/JAPANESE MANUFACTURES OF SO AND SO know what they are implying? There is a vast difference, perhaps as vast as the grand canyon, between healthy skepticism and painting everything in dark shade just based on a limited set of personal experience. I am literally sick of it as I have just vomited on my made-in-japan lcd screen which I hope still keeps working!

p.s. My poking is meant in all good spirit,to keep my lengthy posts intresting and also because I cant help it as like Mr. Sashi Tharoor being Stephan Colbert fan(So blame it on him I am innocent!

).

**dream horse** · 12-18-2009, 07:31 PM

okay lets have a ...(fullstop) for this issue....

you have compared med with this topic has you did i like to say one thing without proper ingredients mentioned you can't release it to public...i may not be correct but this also a procedure (no need to fight)

for correction of fact bajaj hasn't won the case it was TVS. bajaj won it only once but it was broken.....

im still not saying to worship the auto makes but we need to belive their work..if not we cannot buy any of the product it may honda/yamaha/bajaj

see marketing cannot be done without gimmicks so this auto maker is the best show creator & it not conspiracy theory..

**drvmtm** · 12-20-2009, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Ah..!! That's a SWEEPING statement..

Even the YZF R1/R6's, CBR1000RR/600RR's, GSX-R1000/R600's, Ninja ZX-10R/6R's of the world uses the same GIMMICKY 4 Valve thingy on their cylinder heads.

We were actually expecting a 10 bhp bike here.. a few sites/blogs even speculated about it. But I guess more is less..

Better take the P135 LS for a spin when you get the chance.. that would clear our doubts better.

The CBF 125 is the international name for our 125 CBF Stunner. And we all know that its not actually a "pure performance bike" (and its already been "made and being sold" and "not in the making").. its basically a commuter bike.. Heck, even the Ninja 250R basically is a commuter/beginner bike.

+1 to that ,all well said..

**cicatrix** · 12-20-2009, 10:43 PM

This is not a manner to propose a truce mate!

"okay lets have a ...(fullstop) for this issue...." and then you go on making arguments!! wow!

Might as well say " Ok, I win and you loose! And lets call it a truce/full-stop on this argument!"

Anyways I am not going indulge myself in this commie discussion as I see this matter only side tracking the news thread.

No more posts on this topic!

**dream horse** · 12-21-2009, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Biker_Rohit

What's your problem dude? I get the feeling you are Vipin_s with a new id

my problem...ha ha ha ha.....u can't even solve those things

and im not the so called vipin & with a new ID

lets continue with the newssssssssss

have any body tested the bike...how do u feel abt it

**dhawz29** · 12-22-2009, 05:49 PM

Pulsar 135
Type 4s 4v
Disp 134.66cc
PS 13.5
Nm 11.40
Price 51k+

Pulsar 150
Type DTS i
Disp 149.01cc
PS 14.09
Nm 12.76
Price 58k+

Keeping the specs, features and price in mind which bike would you or one wanna buy ???

If ur answer is P135 then why need a p150? and vice versa.

I'm curious to know what u guys think...

BTW: this is my 1st post

**sumit512** · 12-22-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by dhawz29 View Post

Pulsar 135
Type 4s 4v
Disp 134.66cc
PS 13.5
Nm 11.40
Price 51k+

Pulsar 150
Type DTS i
Disp 149.01cc
PS 14.09
Nm 12.76
Price 58k+

Keeping the specs, features and price in mind which bike would you or one wanna buy ???

If ur answer is P135 then why need a p150? and vice versa.

I'm curious to know what u guys think...

BTW: this is my 1st post

P135 makes sense to me, not because of the figures or price but because of the new age technology. But I am sure this technology will very soon be replicated onto its higher brothers and then the bigger .. the merrier

Oh BTW, Welcome to xbhp

**udayrrr** · 12-22-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by dhawz29 View Post

Pulsar 135
Type 4s 4v
Disp 134.66cc
PS 13.5
Nm 11.40
Price 51k+

Pulsar 150
Type DTS i
Disp 149.01cc
PS 14.09
Nm 12.76
Price 58k+

Keeping the specs, features and price in mind which bike would you or one wanna buy ???

If ur answer is P135 then why need a p150? and vice versa.

I'm curious to know what u guys think...

BTW: this is my 1st post

p150 also makes sense to some others because its tried and tested(bajaj took nearly decade to perfect it and today any one can say its as reliable as some others)

Originally posted by sumit512 View Post

But I am sure this technology will very soon be replicated onto its higher brothers and then the bigger .. the merrier

Oh BTW, Welcome to xbhp

ya thats for sure only after testing this one.

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