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  • Karizma vs TTR vs P220! Off-roading Holidays!

    No, this is not a war of bikes. Nor is this a war of bikers. This is a humble recounting of some extraordinary events that happened during a biking week in September, 2009.

    Barely a month had gone by when I hit the road once again. And before long the rain hit me as usual. It had been raining hard for the past week, harder than what one gets to see in these parts. I was on the road for barely a few minutes and it was already raining. I find myself yet again on a bike in the rain, without petrol yet again, standing at a petrol station waiting for the attendant to fill her up. But this time I was better prepared. I had my full suit raincoat, saddlebags protected from inside, weatherproof spraying on my boots and I was not on my R1 but on my lightly modified 220FI.

    P220 modified for offroad:





    Day1 September 12th, 2009

    In less than half an hour I had joined the others on NH1, Nitin on his modified Zma and Vivek on his new acquisition… I will leave that for the moment and let the pictures do the talking!

    Which bike?





    We were on the GT Karnal road at 0430 hours, NH-1 in the direction of Chandigarh, but this time we were to bypass to go towards Vashist in Himachal. The rain was not torrential like last time. But it was there, constant, omnipresent; a fine drizzle like the way it rains in Europe, not hard enough to wash away everything in a downpour, just light enough to put a fine slushy slippery layer on the roads to make it really dangerous for two-wheelers and with every passing vehicle, your visor got a newly laid layer of fine spray that did not do wonders to visibility. Add to it the strange behaviour of my 220 FI with the new setup that I did not have time to get used to. The knobby tyres made my bike wobble in a strange way at speeds higher than 90kmph on tarmac made slippery with slush and rain.

    Bikers are like warriors. They take on adversity after adversity without batting an eyelid. Looking at accuweather, I could have easily stayed on in the airconditionned comfort of my bedroom and petered away my days watching television and walking malls! Instead I was out here risking my bones feeling like a cat in the rain, yet again and looking forward to more. And did I get more!

    Catch up wait:





    Wait over



    I will skip the breakfast details and all those useless details though I love food. I will move on to the getting “more” bit. While bypassing Chandigarh, we came across a broken bridge on the highway. And all the water was flowing underneath the bridge in a rush. And obviously we bikers, like the rest of the vehicles had to cross this stream of current of muddy water. A truck had got stuck. Vivek obviously was the first to hit the stream and he easily crossed it without a thought, like a biker would! Nitin and I followed. I hit it in 2nd and kept the throttle going. The water came up higher than the clutch plates and part of the engine fins were submerged. But I kept the throttle going still and about 25 metres later came out to some more slush and mud. Unfortunately I do not have photographs.

    This time we waited for Nitin


    His chain had come off. It took him some time to get it in place and he finally managed to join us. In the process he missed out on an exciting soup! He would make up for it later.

    After that crossing, somehow, the three bikers fell out of line and separated and dispersed and proceeded along different paths to the same destination for the next hour. I caught up with Vivek on the initial climb to the hills. Nitin caught up with us a little later at Swarghat. And then we rode together yet again for the next couple of hundred kilometres and a little over four hours. We stopped once to refuel, once to buy Thums Up, once to drink it and take pictures and once for landslides!

    Stop to shoot at the dam!



    Shot during a landslide break



    Some 75 kilometres short of Vashist, I prefer staying at Vashist rather than Manali which I find resembles Karol Bagh more than anything else, Vivek, Nitin and I stopped to have samosas. Over our last rides, it has been established that Nitin eats like a bird. Hence Vivek and I ordered one samosa each and Nitin ordered FOUR for himself! Reached Vashist in the evening and went for a quick very HOT dip in the local hot water public pool. Nitin was initially reluctant to enter the hot water spring due to hygienic reasons. Then he was reluctant to get out since he had well settled in the warmth of the water. That was when I asked him about the brand of his sexy underwear! He looked so embarrassed.

    The Samosa breakhttp://www.xbhp.com/talkies/294608-post26.html
    Day 3 and 4 Updated here: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/296825-post61.html
    Last edited by ken cool; 09-27-2009, 09:40 PM.
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    Interesting!

    Now will go through it.
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    • #3
      Now thats a Real Slush fest
      I'm pretty sure the Yam TTR must have stayed well in front of both these modded street bikes.. but I must admit thats a very well executed offroad mod in both bikes..

      Bro your 220 looks sexy in those offroad tyres

      Now bring on the slush fest pics and some adventurous pics of the TTR

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      • #4
        Seemed to be a really nice trip Ken da?? Btw. what happened to ur 220's projectors and clip-on's?? For sale?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nio View Post
          Now thats a Real Slush fest
          I'm pretty sure the Yam TTR must have stayed well in front of both these modded street bikes.. but I must admit thats a very well executed offroad mod in both bikes..

          Bro your 220 looks sexy in those offroad tyres

          Now bring on the slush fest pics and some adventurous pics of the TTR
          Yes, that was a slush fest indeed! I see that you are quite knowledgeable. You got the TTR bit bang on!

          The offroad mod on both the other street bikes was a really good job done by our local modifier KRP.

          Originally posted by dual disc 200 View Post
          Seemed to be a really nice trip Ken da?? Btw. what happened to ur 220's projectors and clip-on's?? For sale?
          I threw them away! Had I kept them on the bike, the way I rode it, as you will see later, they would have broken and fallen off anyway! Hence these changes.
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          • #6
            Good ol rain rides! Nice ...
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            • #7
              Daring TRIO

              U 3 are so daring to do the offroad capabilities..

              really nice to see the TTR and the modded 220 and ZMA..

              ( just love ur write up Ken da.. )

              will love to see more pics.

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              • #8
                Now isn't the need to ride for Vivek insatiable? It is very heartening to see him ride again, and boy finally did he get a proper off roader for himself. He will be very hard to beat in the forthcoming events I reckon.

                And hats off to you Ken and Nitin for the enthusiasm. You even tinkered with your bikes. One step at a time to making them hard core offroaders I guess. Ken, I would be surprised if the next time you put up a thread with a monoshock in your 220 or something.

                Gtreat Stuff, thanks for sharing.

                And of course Hotel Bhrighu, sweet old memories!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kurtrules View Post
                  Good ol rain rides! Nice ...
                  Yes, I am beginning to enjoy it.

                  Originally posted by mav1234 View Post
                  really nice to see the TTR and the modded 220 and ZMA..

                  ( just love ur write up Ken da.. )

                  will love to see more pics.
                  This is just the first day. Then there will be 2nd and 3rd and some videos as well...

                  Originally posted by Sunny View Post
                  Now isn't the need to ride for Vivek insatiable? It is very heartening to see him ride again, and boy finally did he get a proper off roader for himself. He will be very hard to beat in the forthcoming events I reckon.
                  For general info: Vivek is still not allowed to ride a motorcycle. And he rode some 1800kms this time on unimaginable terrain. Really hats off to that man. He is still in pain. He will not be participating in the events this year unfortunately.

                  Originally posted by Sunny View Post
                  And hats off to you Ken and Nitin for the enthusiasm. You even tinkered with your bikes. One step at a time to making them hard core offroaders I guess. Ken, I would be surprised if the next time you put up a thread with a monoshock in your 220 or something.
                  Monoshock? I had thought about it. And longer travel front forks as well! But I am holding my horses for the moment.

                  Originally posted by Sunny View Post
                  And of course Hotel Bhrighu, sweet old memories!
                  Yes, sweet memories indeed.
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                  • #10
                    Ken - Is that a 2000 Yam TTR 250? Sweet! Once again the trio set out to accomplish great things. Each time you put up pics such as these the itch gets stronger.

                    The straight bar is a great touch on the 220. I used to have one on my shogun. Ofcourse that was a chep one of the streets of KB for 30 bucks, but it did the job. What knobby's are you using? I doubt Srichakra still makes knobby's.

                    Vivek - riding with the stories I have heard of your back. Be careful.

                    Bawa - who knew from the days of MSM you'd be here doing twisties like a pro. Good to see you again.
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                    • #11
                      The Himalayas once more! Awesome. Heard a lot about the ride from Nitinjit, waiting for more

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bunny View Post
                        The Himalayas once more! Awesome. Heard a lot about the ride from Nitinjit, waiting for more
                        Yes! it is good see their enthusiasm on the track every sunday and week by week they getting used to better riding, and faster on the edges!

                        An indeed proving a Mentor and an Ideal for many!
                        Got to know more about the trip personally, it was good to know all that, But Vivek bhai,PLease take care.. it has been very good to see you ride and would love to go to SMC2009 with "you as a Marshall" and i m as rider.
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                        • #13
                          Looks to be a nice off-road ride..seeing the conditions/preparations of the bikes..

                          Somehow that FZ headlamp doesnt look good for the Karizma..

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                            Intresting ,cant wait to see the rest, this is just like a add now ! Bring it on soon Ken...
                            Can you post more pics of ZMA from riders angle and side views. Is the ZMA console still on it or is it the FZ one ?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shelleve View Post
                              Ken - Is that a 2000 Yam TTR 250? Sweet! Once again the trio set out to accomplish great things. Each time you put up pics such as these the itch gets stronger.
                              Ok, here goes... that is a 94 Yam TTR Raid, single mill, 250, 6 speed, 30Bhp with monstrous torque!

                              Originally posted by inder.cool View Post
                              Looks to be a nice off-road ride..seeing the conditions/preparations of the bikes..

                              Somehow that FZ headlamp doesnt look good for the Karizma..
                              The FZ headlamp was Nitin's idea and I think it looks REALLY neat! You should see it in flesh to believe it. And guess what, it solves the headlight problems of the Zma big time!

                              Originally posted by Rockkyyy View Post
                              Intresting ,cant wait to see the rest, this is just like a add now ! Bring it on soon Ken...
                              Can you post more pics of ZMA from riders angle and side views. Is the ZMA console still on it or is it the FZ one ?
                              Probably not rider's angle, but there will be various other angles. And the OEM console stuck as a straight fit! Vivek uses a Pulsar lamp on his Raid Zma with Cbz console. But here, we did not need to do anything.

                              As for the mods on my bike:
                              1. Removed the fairing.
                              2. Pulsar 180 headlight came on in the new bracket.
                              3. Stayed with the original console. The whole job was way more complicated than that of the Zma and took much longer as well.
                              4. Removed the clip-ons (very important) and put the straight handlebar as you can see (very important also for off-road riding and control)
                              5. Front tyre changed to tube type DURO. Rear tyre changed to Tubeless CEAT Vertigo.
                              6. Length of clutch cable changed perforce to the longer original P180 version.

                              Did not remove the front mudguard, nor did I put braces for the shocks!
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