Engine Oils

[ameyashogun]

it is SAE 20W50 of APSI 'SJ' + JASO MA
OR SAE 20W50 of APSI 'SL' + JASO MA grade
for pulsar 180 ug4

wat if we use this mobil 1 10w40 fully synth
attaching the pictures it's APSI 'SJ' + JASO MA (Not MB)
may be Back pic is not clear that's why in writing.
i Use in my APACHE RTR 180 Company rec is 20w40
oil is smooth,
power is up (acceleration),
perfect gear Shifting pressure (in Castrol it was hard after Racing 1)
lesser vibs comparable to Motul 300V 10w40
want to go for fully synthetic after 18,000km on ODO at last in mumbai few places where you can find fully synthetic oil regularly
now pls suggest which is better one
thank you
Price Rs. 850/-

[saurabhjd]

wat if we use this mobil 1 10w40 fully synth
attaching the pictures it's APSI 'SJ' + JASO MA (Not MB)
may be Back pic is not clear that's why in writing.
i Use in my APACHE RTR 180 Company rec is 20w40
oil is smooth,
power is up (acceleration),
perfect gear Shifting pressure (in Castrol it was hard after Racing 1)
lesser vibs comparable to Motul 300V 10w40
want to go for fully synthetic after 18,000km on ODO at last in mumbai few places where you can find fully synthetic oil regularly
now pls suggest which is better one
thank you
Price Rs. 850/-

is it available in xxW50 grade. i m looking for options other than motul for my p220. shell is good, but its not in the correct grade for P220.
and also tell me, from where did u buy this mobil????

[ameyashogun]

Engine Oil Classification

I think this will clear the misunderstanding by minimum 25%

API Engine Service Classifications

The American Petroleum Institute (API) engine oil classification system was set up as a joint effort by API, ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials) and SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers). The letter classification system is a method of classifying engine oils according to their performance characteristics, and relating this to their intended type of service.
The API system currently includes service classifictions for service stations/spark ignition engines ("S" series), for commercial application/compression ignition engines ("C" series), and for energy conserving engine oil ("EC" series). It is an "open-ended" system which allows for the addition of new designations with little change to existing ones.

S Series

SA - Formerly for Utility Gasoline and Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Category SA denotes service typical of older engines operated under such mild conditions that the protection afforded by compounded oils is not required. This category has no performance requirements, and oils in this category should not be used in any engine unless specifically recommended by the equipment manufacturer.
SB - Minimum-Duty Gasoline Engine Service (Obsolete) - Category SB denotes service typical of older engines operated under such mild conditions that only minimum protection afforded by compounding is desired. Oils designed for this service have been used since 1930s and provide mild antiscuff capability and resistance to oil oxidation and bearing corrosion. They should not be used in any engine unless specifically recommended by the equipment manufacturer.
SC - 1964 Gasoline Engine Service (Obsolete) - Category SB denotes service typical of gasoline engines in 1964 through 1967 models of passenger cars and some trucks, operating under engine manufacturers warranties in effect during those model years. Oils designed for this service provide control of high and low temperature deposits, wear, rust, and corrosion in gasoline engines.
SD - 1968 Gasoline Engine Service (Obsolete) - Category SD denotes service typical of gasoline engines in 1968 through 1970 models of passenger cars and some trucks, operating under engine manufacturers warranties in effect during those model years. This category may also apply to certain 1971 or later models as specified (or recommended) in the owners manuals. Oils designed for this service provide more protection against high and low temperature deposits, wear, rust, and corrosion in gasoline engines than oils that are satisfactory for API Engine Service Category SC and may be used when API Engine Service Category SC is recommended.
SE - 1972 Gasoline Engine ServiceSF - 1980 Gasoline Engine Service (Obsolete) - Category SF denotes service typical of gasoline engines in passenger cars and some trucks beginning with 1980 through 1989 models operating under engine manufacturers recommended maintenance procedures. Oils developed for this service provide increased oxidation stability and improved antiwear performance relative to oils that meet the minimum requirements of API Service Category SE. These oils also provide protection against engine deposits, rust, and corrosion. Oils meeting API Service Category SF may be used when API Engine Service Category SE, SD or SC are recommended.
SG - 1989 Gasoline Engine ServiceSH - 1994 Gasoline Engine ServiceSJ - 1997 Gasoline Engine Service - Category SJ was adopted in 1996 to describe engine oil first mandated in 1997. It is for use in service typical of gasoline engines in present and earlier passenger cars, vans, and light trucks operating under manufacturers recommended maintenance procedures. Oils meeting API SH requirements have been tested according to the American Chemistry Council (ACC) Product Approval Code of Practice and may utilize the API Base Oil Interchange and Viscosity Grade Engine Testing Guidelines. They may be used where API Service Category SH and earlier categories are recommended.
SL - 2001 Gasoline Engine Service - Category SL was adopted to describe engine oils for use in 2001. It is for use in service typical of gasoline engines in present and earlier passenger cars, sports utility vehicles, vans and light trucks operating under vehicle manufacturers recommended maintenance procedures. Oils meeting API SL requirements have been tested according to the American Chemistry Council (ACC) Product Approval Code of Practice and may utilize the API Base Oil Interchange and Viscosity Grade Engine Testing Guidelines. They may be used where API Service Category SJ and earlier categories are recommended.
SM - Introduced on 30 Novermber 2004 - Category SM oils are designed tp provide improved oxidation resistance, improved deposite protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance over the life of the oil. Some SM oils may also meet the latest ILSAC specification and/or qualify as Energy Conserving. They may be used where API Service Category SJ and SL earlier categories are recommended.
C Series

CA - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of diesel engines operated in mild to moderate duty with high quality fuels; occasionally has included gasoline engines in mild service. Oils designed for this service provide protection from bearing corrosion and ring-belt deposits in some naturally aspirated diesel engines when using fuels of such quality that they impose no unusual requirements for wear and deposits protection. They were widely used in the 1940s and 1950s but should not be used in any engine unless specifically recommended by the equipment manufacturer.
CB - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of diesel engines operated in mild to moderate duty, but with lower quality fuels, which necessitate more protection from wear and deposits; occasionally has included gasoline engines in mild service. Oils designed for this service were introduced in 1949. They provide necessary protection from bearing corrosion and from high temperature deposits in naturally aspirated diesel engines with higher sulfur fuels.
CC - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of certain naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged diesel engines operated in moderate to severe-duty service, and certain heavy-duty gasoline engines. Oils designed for this service provide protection from bearing corrosion, rust, corrosion and from high to low temperature deposits in gasoline engines. They were introduced in 1961.
CD - Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of certain naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged diesel engines where highly effective control of wear and deposits is vital, or when using fuels with a wide quality range (including high-sulfur fuels). Oils designed for this service were introduced in 1955 and provide protection from high temperature deposits and bearing corrosion in these diesel engines.
CD-II - Severe-Duty Two-Stroke Cycle Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of two-stroke cycle diesel engines requiring highly effective control of wear and deposits. Oils designed for this service also meet all performance requirements of API Service Category CD.
CE - 1983 Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of certain turbocharged or supercharged heavy-duty diesel engines, manufactured since 1983 and operated under both low speed, high load and high speed, high load conditions. Oils designed for this service may also be used when API Service Category CD is recommended.
CF-4 - 1990 Diesel Engine Service - Service typical of high speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines. API CF-4 oils exceed the requirements for the API CE category, providing improved control of oil consumption and piston deposits. These oils should be used in place of API CE oils. They are particularly suited for on-highway, heavy-duty truck applications. When combined with the appropriate S category, they can also be used in gasoline and diesel powered personal vehicles i.e., passenger cars, light trucks and vans when recommended by the vehicle or engine manufacturer.
CF - Indirect-Injected Diesel Engine Service - Service typical of indirect-injection diesel engines and other diesel engines that use a broad range of fuel types, including those using fuel with high sulfur content; for example, over 0.5% wt. Effective control of piston deposits, wear and copper-containing bearing corrosion is essential for these engines, which may be naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged. Oils designated for this service have been in existence since 1994 and may be used when API Service Category CD is recommended.
CF-2 - Severe-Duty Two-Stroke Cycle Diesel Engine Service (Obsolete) - Service typical of two-stroke cycle diesel engines requiring highly effective control over cylinder and ring-face scuffing and deposits. Oils designed for this service have been in existence since 1994 and may be used when API Service Category CD-II is recommended. These oils do not necessarily meet the requirements of API CF or CF-4 unless they pass the test requirements for these categories.
CG-4 - 1994 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service - This category describes oils for use in high speed four-stroke-cycle diesel engines used in both heavy-duty on-highway(0.05% wt sulfur fuel) and off-highway (less than 0.5% wt sulfur fuel) applications. CG-4 oils provide effective control over high temperature piston deposits, wear, corrosion, foaming, oxidation stability, and soot accumulation. These oils are specially effective in engines designed to meet 1994 exhaust emission standards and may also be used in engines requiring API Service Categories CD, CE, and CF-4. Oils designed for this service have been in existence since 1994.
CH-4 Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service - This service oils are suitable for high speed, four-stroke diesel engines designed to meet 1998 exhaust emission standards and are specifically compounded for use with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.5% weight. CH-4 oils are superior in performance to those meeting API CF-4 and API CG-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories.
CI-4 - 2002 - Severe-Duty Diesel Engine Service - The CI-4 performance requirements describe oils for use in those high speed, four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2004 exhaust emission standards, to be implemented October 2002. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 0.05% by weight. These oils are especially effective at sustaining engine durability where Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and other exhaust emission componentry may be used. Optimum protection is provided for control of corrosive wear tendencies, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, piston deposit control, valve train wear, oxidative thickening, foaming and viscosity loss due to shear. CI-4 oils are superior in performance to those meeting API CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories.
CI-4 Plus - 2004 - Used in comjunction with API CI-4, the " CI-4 PLUS" designation identifies oils formulated to provide a higher level of protection against soot-related viscosity increase and viscosity loss due to shear in diesel engines. Like Energy Conserving, CI-4 PLUS appears in the lower portion of the API Service Symbol "Donut."


Link Below Where i got this from



Link :The API Engine Oil Classification System

[saurabhjd]

^^^^ does that mean API ratings are for cars only??
coz i guess JASO ratings are for bikes only. coz JASO ratings are for wet clutches. cars usually dont have wet clutches. correct me if i m wrong.

[ameyashogun]

is it available in xxW50 grade. i m looking for options other than motul for my p220. shell is good, but its not in the correct grade for P220.
and also tell me, from where did u buy this mobil????

Hey I got it from Aamarjit Auto Stores in
Mahim Near Paradise Cinema,
Jacob BLDG, L.J.Road,
Opp. Memon Co-op Bank
Huge Castrol Sign & Pappaji (the owner great man Pappaji) you will see sitting him with all types of oil 1st time you go he'll check how much knowledge you have about the oils if you say the truth get reward or else maja nahi aayega bat karke mostly he'll speak in in hindi-english if you want to have you can order (but not Motul here) may be some problem over Motul no Motul rest anything good range of oils including 2-wheelers & for 4 wheels.
happy riding ride safe

[ameyashogun]

^^^^ does that mean API ratings are for cars only??
coz i guess JASO ratings are for bikes only. coz JASO ratings are for wet clutches. cars usually dont have wet clutches. correct me if i m wrong.

i don't know i am also trying to understand

[saurabhjd]

Hey I got it from Aamarjit Auto Stores in
Mahim Near Paradise Cinema,
Jacob BLDG, L.J.Road,
Opp. Memon Co-op Bank
Huge Castrol Sign & Pappaji (the owner great man Pappaji) you will see sitting him with all types of oil 1st time you go he'll check how much knowledge you have about the oils if you say the truth get reward or else maja nahi aayega bat karke mostly he'll speak in in hindi-english if you want to have you can order (but not Motul here) may be some problem over Motul no Motul rest anything good range of oils including 2-wheelers & for 4 wheels.
happy riding ride safe

can u give me directions a bit more in details?? or phone number of that shop??
i will be going from thane (eastern express highway). dont know that area much.

[ameyashogun]

can u give me directions a bit more in details?? or phone number of that shop??
i will be going from thane (eastern express highway). dont know that area much.

give me your email id i'll send you google map link so you can have better idea

[saurabhjd]

give me your email id i'll send you google map link so you can have better idea

u can PM me

[ameyashogun]

Mobile 1 Racing 4T 10w40 Fully Synthetic

u can PM me

ok
this is wat mobil says


Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

New Formulation - Engineered for on-road, off-road and competition four-cycle motorcycles. Key benefits of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40:

• Helps provide optimum acceleration and peak horsepower
• Scientifically developed high-performance additive system
• Provides excellent engine protection at peak rpm
• Superb transmission protection

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Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is recommended for four-cycle motorcycles which specify the use of a 10W-40 engine oil. It provides excellent performance in motorcycle engines that are designed with a common engine/transmission lubrication system or where the engine lubrication system is separate from the transmission system. In the case of the latter, follow the manufacturer's recommendation for the type of fluid to be used in the transmission. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 engine oil is also designed to provide the proper frictional characteristics necessary for wet-clutch engine/transmission systems. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 meets or exceeds the requirements of API Service Categories SM, SJ, SH/CF, JASO MA and has been fully tested, both on laboratory dynamometers and in the field, to provide optimum horsepower and acceleration.

Fully synthetic Mobil 1 motorcycle oils are specifically engineered for use in motorcycles. The formulations are based on the proven technology used in other Mobil 1 automotive products, yet they are optimized for outstanding protection for motorcycle engines, transmissions and clutches. You can use them with confidence, knowing they will protect your bike in extreme situations where conventional motor oils simply cannot compare, including extended high-speed operation and prolonged idling in summertime traffic.

For more information, see the Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oil Product Data Sheet and Material Safety Data Sheet.

Note: Please check bottle labels as inventory transitions to the new formulation.

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 was previously known as Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40.
Link : http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...-40.aspx:cool:

[Dogg]

The oil that i am using for my p220F and recommend it to any bike with required rating of ~10w50,excellent acceleration,but need to top up every 2k kms,promised life of arnd 8k kms,but i reckon 4~5k is more than enough when used in the 220.Used motul 5100 15w50 (used more than 4bottles),but it did not even last 2k kms in the p220 ( i drive a bit enthusiastically,21 ps on tap !!)



As with every fully synthetic oil,one should keep an eye on the oil level,oil top up is a must every 1.5~2k kms (initial 1150ml only should be put in). For an rtr 180,p 180,rtr 160 i guess you can use it comfortably for 5k kms the first time and maybe even 6k for the next change depending on the oil quality.

[arjunb25]

wat if we use this mobil 1 10w40 fully synth
attaching the pictures it's APSI 'SJ' + JASO MA (Not MB)
may be Back pic is not clear that's why in writing.
i Use in my APACHE RTR 180 Company rec is 20w40
oil is smooth,
power is up (acceleration),
perfect gear Shifting pressure (in Castrol it was hard after Racing 1)
lesser vibs comparable to Motul 300V 10w40
want to go for fully synthetic after 18,000km on ODO at last in mumbai few places where you can find fully synthetic oil regularly
now pls suggest which is better one
thank you
Price Rs. 850/-

when i had filled 20w40 3 times in my bike i.e. pulsar 180 ug4 in summers i had to spend 1300rs for the change of clutch plates thanks a ton brother i dont want to do that again.

[saurabhjd]

The oil that i am using for my p220F and recommend it to any bike with required rating of ~10w50,excellent acceleration,but need to top up every 2k kms,promised life of arnd 8k kms,but i reckon 4~5k is more than enough when used in the 220.Used motul 5100 15w50 (used more than 4bottles),but it did not even last 2k kms in the p220 ( i drive a bit enthusiastically,21 ps on tap !!)



As with every fully synthetic oil,one should keep an eye on the oil level,oil top up is a must every 1.5~2k kms (initial 1150ml only should be put in). For an rtr 180,p 180,rtr 160 i guess you can use it comfortably for 5k kms the first time and maybe even 6k for the next change depending on the oil quality.

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where can i find it in mumbai???

[ameyashogun]

where can i find it in mumbai???

See you can able find it in special stores, but the prob is to find it always or get the guy who'll have customers like us & the flow will be perfect coz nobody will import only 1 can for you always.
I have faced the same problem in terms of Motul 300V 10w40. (Not 3000V 15w50 semi synthetic)

[amitmalve]

What is the price of new castrol power1 racing 10w50? (not the older one 10w40) I saw this in current issue of xbhp mag.