Engine Oils

[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

Guys used Motul chain lube today!! Just felt it with hand and found it super sticky. I mean like gum. Is it that sticky??? Wont it attract dust if its this sticky??

Any good alternatives???

It indeed is, first when you spray they might appear water-ish just second pass by they start to coagulate and form a thick gooey barrier, and that's good and bad. It's really good if a bike has a sealed case with O-ring chain, it's just spray and forget. The reason it's gooey is it sticks, prevents temperature degradation. Meaning, most lubes lose their viscosity when heated up, and same falls for chain and coupled with inertia acting on them, they can easily get sprayed away from the chain when running and make the chain as useless as a non-lubed one. That's the reason it's sticky meaning it sticks to the chain no matter what.

There's a catch, as anyone knows sticky things attracts grime etc, and let alone an open revving component like chain will, shall, and definitely would attract dirt and grime and as good as it lubricates it does attract grime and stuff. The best it to wash the chain with kerosene after a *really* long ride and lube it periodically. But it doesn't attract grime significant to worry about. But yes when the chain makes some strange noises, that's the time to know the chain has attracted some hard particles, just solvent clean and lube, you're all set.

Cheers!
VJ

[siddharthsure]

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You should spray the Motul Chain clean bottle first and wait for 3-4 mins. Then use an old toothbrush to brush away the previous lubrication/dust/dirt etc lying over the chain and sprocket (both). Brush it with good details. Then apply the Motul Chain Lube only until to make sure that it is all the way spread over. Avoid dripping down situation when applying the Chain lube. Keep an eye in every 10-15 days for normal weather. In case of rainy seasons check everytime before you ride.

And don't worry it won't attract the gravel and dust

It indeed is, first when you spray they might appear water-ish just second pass by they start to coagulate and form a thick gooey barrier, and that's good and bad. It's really good if a bike has a sealed case with O-ring chain, it's just spray and forget. The reason it's gooey is it sticks, prevents temperature degradation. Meaning, most lubes lose their viscosity when heated up, and same falls for chain and coupled with inertia acting on them, they can easily get sprayed away from the chain when running and make the chain as useless as a non-lubed one. That's the reason it's sticky meaning it sticks to the chain no matter what.

There's a catch, as anyone knows sticky things attracts grime etc, and let alone an open revving component like chain will, shall, and definitely would attract dirt and grime and as good as it lubricates it does attract grime and stuff. The best it to wash the chain with kerosene after a *really* long ride and lube it periodically. But it doesn't attract grime significant to worry about. But yes when the chain makes some strange noises, that's the time to know the chain has attracted some hard particles, just solvent clean and lube, you're all set.

Cheers!
VJ

Thanks guys and [MENTION=59642]xpranav[/MENTION] I cleaned with diesel before lubing. I dont think chain clean is worth when you got time and patience to clean

[vinay1552]

Re: Engine Oils

want to know about gear oil , which gear oil grade is good for Honda Dio its 9600 km in ODO and haven't change the gear oil till now should i go for servo eps 90 oil or any other

[xpranav]

Re: Engine Oils

Thanks guys and @xpranav I cleaned with diesel before lubing. I dont think chain clean is worth when you got time and patience to clean

I think using a complete product is more worth (if it works) than working with bits ........... but it is you machine and hence your call (I own both the spray bottles and am happy with the results)

[sunilyo]

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Guys used Motul chain lube today!! Just felt it with hand and found it super sticky. I mean like gum. Is it that sticky??? Wont it attract dust if its this sticky??

I have been using Motul chain cleaner and lube (Road) for the past couple of months and i am 100% satisfied with the results.

Earlier I had been using kerosene + EP90 grade gear oil. They are a cheap but good alternatives for normal chain lubing with only one drawback - they attracted a lot of dust especially if its an open chain. The chain would get dirty within a week.

But after using the Motul cleaner / lube the chain is much more clean and minimal dust. Please do remember any lube is not 100% dust proof. Dust level after using Motul is minimal and chain looks cleaner for more than couple of weeks.

The lube is indeed sticky but it ensures that it stays on the chain and does not drip off while riding. Before lubing always remember to clean the chain. For hassel free cleaning use the Motul chain cleaner or you if you have all the time use kerosene.

My method is

- warm up the chain
- clean using motul chain cleaner
- wait for 5 minutes
- scrub off dust from all sides of the chain - outside / inside and both sides + the sprockets (each and every tooth of it)
- clean off the chain and sprockets using any old cloth
- keep the bike on center stand and run the bike for a couple of minutes at high RPM so that any left over cleaner gets off the chain.
- wipe it again with the old cloth
- lube using Motul chain lube

Motul is expensive but it is a gem of a product. An alternative to this would be the OKS chain cleaner and lube but i do not know its price. OKS Lube comes in two version one is more stickier than the other.

Hope this helps.

[xpranav]

Re: Engine Oils

want to know about gear oil , which gear oil grade is good for Honda Dio its 9600 km in ODO and haven't change the gear oil till now should i go for servo eps 90 oil or any other

you should take a look at the Honda manual book first ............. it will help you a lot in answering your questions as per the OEM recommendation ............. in case you need any further discussion please fell free to report back here

[vinay1552]

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you should take a look at the Honda manual book first ............. it will help you a lot in answering your questions as per the OEM recommendation ............. in case you need any further discussion please fell free to report back here

Thanks for wounder full idea as Manual book idea has skip form mind i read it and ask for help if need thanks mate for help

[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

want to know about gear oil , which gear oil grade is good for Honda Dio its 9600 km in ODO and haven't change the gear oil till now should i go for servo eps 90 oil or any other

Gear oils with different grades are completely different from the what's used in the gearless scooters. Mostly you can use the 90 EP or the Castrol Manual GL-4 90 for most of the gearless scooters in India, especially the Honda series.

Cheers!
VJ

[siddharthsure]

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I have been using Motul chain cleaner and lube (Road) for the past couple of months and i am 100% satisfied with the results.

Earlier I had been using kerosene + EP90 grade gear oil. They are a cheap but good alternatives for normal chain lubing with only one drawback - they attracted a lot of dust especially if its an open chain. The chain would get dirty within a week.

But after using the Motul cleaner / lube the chain is much more clean and minimal dust. Please do remember any lube is not 100% dust proof. Dust level after using Motul is minimal and chain looks cleaner for more than couple of weeks.

The lube is indeed sticky but it ensures that it stays on the chain and does not drip off while riding. Before lubing always remember to clean the chain. For hassel free cleaning use the Motul chain cleaner or you if you have all the time use kerosene.

My method is

- warm up the chain
- clean using motul chain cleaner
- wait for 5 minutes
- scrub off dust from all sides of the chain - outside / inside and both sides + the sprockets (each and every tooth of it)
- clean off the chain and sprockets using any old cloth
- keep the bike on center stand and run the bike for a couple of minutes at high RPM so that any left over cleaner gets off the chain.
- wipe it again with the old cloth
- lube using Motul chain lube

Motul is expensive but it is a gem of a product. An alternative to this would be the OKS chain cleaner and lube but i do not know its price. OKS Lube comes in two version one is more stickier than the other.

Hope this helps.

Thanks.. Il try it next time

[vinay1552]

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Gear oils with different grades are completely different from the what's used in the gearless scooters. Mostly you can use the 90 EP or the Castrol Manual GL-4 90 for most of the gearless scooters in India, especially the Honda series.

Cheers!
VJ

thank brother for ur help

[Pinaki]

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hi i am using Shell Advance AX7 10w-40 in my cbz xtreme for the last 1 year , but now from the last oil change its getting over heated instantly what will be the cause should i change the brands or should change the oil grade like 15w-50,20w-50,10w-30 etc

When is the last you had your bike's ( centrifugal & mesh ) oil filters cleaned ?

... Earlier I had been using kerosene + EP90 grade gear oil. They are a cheap but good alternatives for normal chain lubing with only one drawback - they attracted a lot of dust especially if its an open chain. The chain would get dirty within a week ...

The chain is of o-ring type or the other ?

[sunilyo]

Re: Engine Oils

The chain is of o-ring type or the other ?

Its an O-ring type chain

[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

Sunilyo, the reason Pinakiji asked is it O-ring type or at least I reckon from his point is O-ring like most chains are just comparatively better than a sealed one, take care of and lubed at the right time, they both last similar, unless other alphabetical rings out there or combination rings.

Plus EP 90 or chain lube, anything that's sticky will attract grime etc. And it depends on where one rides, a good tarmac ride will almost keep the chain as fresh, frequent off-roading or bad road conditions will almost attract grime, be it lube or oil. And the worse thing about EP is gets sparayed over the swingarm components, tires etc, no matter what. Lube is way better when considering 90 EP just for cleanliness purposes. *Excess* lube will produce the same effect, but that's way excess lube.

Cheers!
VJ

[xpranav]

Re: Engine Oils

I have been using Motul chain cleaner and lube (Road) for the past couple of months and i am 100% satisfied with the results.

Earlier I had been using kerosene + EP90 grade gear oil. They are a cheap but good alternatives for normal chain lubing with only one drawback - they attracted a lot of dust especially if its an open chain. The chain would get dirty within a week.

But after using the Motul cleaner / lube the chain is much more clean and minimal dust. Please do remember any lube is not 100% dust proof. Dust level after using Motul is minimal and chain looks cleaner for more than couple of weeks.

The lube is indeed sticky but it ensures that it stays on the chain and does not drip off while riding. Before lubing always remember to clean the chain. For hassel free cleaning use the Motul chain cleaner or you if you have all the time use kerosene.

My method is

- warm up the chain
- clean using motul chain cleaner
- wait for 5 minutes
- scrub off dust from all sides of the chain - outside / inside and both sides + the sprockets (each and every tooth of it)
- clean off the chain and sprockets using any old cloth
- keep the bike on center stand and run the bike for a couple of minutes at high RPM so that any left over cleaner gets off the chain.
- wipe it again with the old cloth
- lube using Motul chain lube

Motul is expensive but it is a gem of a product. An alternative to this would be the OKS chain cleaner and lube but i do not know its price. OKS Lube comes in two version one is more stickier than the other.

Hope this helps.

The chain is of o-ring type or the other ?

Its an O-ring type chain

I guess Pinaki Sir asked you so because you had said that it was an open chain and you were earlier using EP90 which resulted in attracting a lot of dust. Since most of the modern day bikes with open chain have O-rings chain and so is the case with your bike.

Now there are a few points to be kept in mind while lubricating the O ring chains. Using kerosene was ok and indeed a cheap substitute (some easy brushing and then wiping it off with a cloth is required) but then using an EP90 was not a good decision (when you had used it). It is too sticky and was attracting a lot of grit, dust etc and might have caused rubber rings to wear. Now even after using the MOTUL Chain Lube (Road) you have reported a little dust, grit etc and here's the catch; the O-rings are self lubricated. The only reason to use a lubricant for such chains is to keep the rubber rings supple and avoid rust on the metal parts. So what I mean to say is that after waiting for 5-10 mins you should wipe that lube off and keep the chain dry => almost no grit, dust etc

[hgps]

Re: Engine Oils

How long does yamalube Semi synthetic oil 15W50 lasts?

I have done 2400kms using yamalube 15w50 SS

Which SS oil is best suited for FZ-S? motul or yamalube? Or any other brand?

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