Engine Oils

[sandeepcf]

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Castrol Power 1 Racing have been a 10w50 graded oil ever i think (even in the previous tin can) , while the recomended oil grade for unicorn was 20w40 earlier and now Honda is supplying 10w30 , nahi ? Anyway , an XXw40 grade oil is sufficient for it I feel . Also, why push the oil like that beyond it's limits in kilometers or duration ? What is the purpose of this competition ?

It was 10w40, no need to think. Lock kar dijiye. I never pushed beyond the limit; I pushed to the limit. Why throw away the oil before it gives up?

[psr]

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I just read the last 2 pages with great interest and would be anxious to know if the delvac/300v can be used in an FI engine, specifically the ceeber two-fifty?

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Shell Ultra FS had given better results than a Motul 300V as shared by a CBR250 owner......Regarding using Delvac or Shell Rimula Diesel engine oils, the risk is all yours....

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It was 10w40, no need to think. Lock kar dijiye. I never pushed beyond the limit; I pushed to the limit. Why throw away the oil before it gives up?

Extending oil change interval may result in expensive parts change due to wear.....anything above 3~3.5 K kms between oil change(FS) is asking for trouble...

[sandeepcf]

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Extending oil change interval may result in expensive parts change due to wear.....anything above 3~3.5 K kms between oil change(FS) is asking for trouble...

My daily usage is 3times*5kms = 15kms or a maximum of 20kms in a very less traffic(no traffic signals also) with speeds no more than 50kmph. So Psr sir, is it still necessary to drain the FS Oil in such short intervals when the oil is still functioning well?

[devils_friend]

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My daily usage is 3times*5kms = 15kms or a maximum of 20kms in a very less traffic(no traffic signals also) with speeds no more than 50kmph. So Psr sir, is it still necessary to drain the FS Oil in such short intervals when the oil is still functioning well?

3000 kms is covered in how much time? if your running is on the lesser side, change the oil by 3 months from when you filled or 3.5k-4k, whichever is earlier.

Cheerz!!

[mrbabu76]

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It was 10w40, no need to think. Lock kar dijiye. I never pushed beyond the limit; I pushed to the limit. Why throw away the oil before it gives up?

Castrol power 1 racing is 10W50 grade. Please check because I have used once in my Unicorn and Twister.I promise that I will never touch this oil for my hondas again.

Cheers.

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My daily usage is 3times*5kms = 15kms or a maximum of 20kms in a very less traffic(no traffic signals also) with speeds no more than 50kmph. So Psr sir, is it still necessary to drain the FS Oil in such short intervals when the oil is still functioning well?

That is the very reason that your Unicorn has no problem using this 10W50 CP1R oil. If you ride more than 50 kms at a stretch above 70km/h you may find difficulties of oil flow in honda engine.


EDIT : Oh my mistake, I thought it is present CP1Racing.

@Ravi
Thanks for the picture and info.

[ravi@17bhp]

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Castrol power 1 racing is 10W50 grade. Please check because I have used once in my Unicorn and Twister.I promise that I will never touch this oil for my hondas again.

Cheers.

Castrol Power 1 Racing WAS 10W40 grade. Its now available in 10w50 grade.

[bbsrailfan]

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Why not! There is no problem or will be caused whatsoever using DEO on an FI or a carb irrespective of the fuel feed system. The fuel feed system doesn't come into play here. Indeed two of buddies use the 300v in their 250

Cheers!
VJ

VJ...the 300v is not a DEO, right? It's a bike specific oil, unless I am mistaking the 300v for some other brand

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[B7ACKTHORN]

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VJ...the 300v is not a DEO, right? It's a bike specific oil, unless I am mistaking the 300v for some other brand

300V is Motul's which is specifically formulated for motorcycles with four stroke engies.

DEO is Diesel Engine Oil, which isn't mandated by the company as such, but the entire gaga on this thread is about the same. After all some ouls do have tried, with proper knowledge and the results are nothing better than good to excellent.

300V liter for liter is way costlier than these DEO.

Cheers!
VJ

[robin3989]

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Shell Ultra FS had given better results than a Motul 300V as shared by a CBR250 owner......Regarding using Delvac or Shell Rimula Diesel engine oils, the risk is all yours....

Have changed the 4T oil to Rimula R4, as i was able to receive lots of good feedback from the experts. Neither members of this forum whoever using it, have any complaints about HDEO. I now feel smooth gear shifts, engine sounds more refined. Ji, "Regarding using Delvac or Shell Rimula Diesel engine oils, the risk is all yours" - more frightening.

[B7ACKTHORN]

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Have changed the 4T oil to Rimula R4, as i was able to receive lots of good feedback from the experts. Neither members of this forum whoever using it, have any complaints about HDEO. I now feel smooth gear shifts, engine sounds more refined. Ji, "Regarding using Delvac or Shell Rimula Diesel engine oils, the risk is all yours" - more frightening.

The risks are far outweighed with the benefits reaped

Cheers!
VJ

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[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

I just read the last 2 pages with great interest and would be anxious to know if the delvac/300v can be used in an FI engine, specifically the ceeber two-fifty?

VJ...the 300v is not a DEO, right? It's a bike specific oil, unless I am mistaking the 300v for some other brand

You wanted to know whether DEO like Delvac is good, but you also mentioned 300V which was picked by VJ to inform you that it works wonders!

Let me try to answer your query:

Diesel engine oil in bikes like CBR 250, KTM 200, R15 and the likes. My response is "NO". These bikes go well with thin, readily flowing, smooth engine oils like the synthetics. No wonder all these bikes come with factory filled semi-synthetic atleast.
I dont know about KTM in India, but European Manual of the bike specifies Semi-synthetic oil.

All these bikes are fast! Faster you want to ride, thinner oil you require. All these bikes are race oriented where every micro second counts.. hence they come with this atleast SS oil recommendation. A person owning the listed bikes is in all probability expected to ride the bike at high speeds and high rpms. No doubt their internals are designed for thin SS/FS oils.

If you bought a Mercedez, Skoda, VW which came with FS oil factory filled, you are not expected to run on minerals. If those can run on minerals, company would have factory filled mineral and asked to replace them after first month. What type of engine it would be which can be lubricated with a 0W20, 0w30 oil? Think of them like this - They are vapor lubricated.

Engines of our 'commuterish' bikes are designed for 20w40, 20w50 grade 'mineral' oils. You can substitute these oils with minerals. But engines which are designed for SS/FS oils, why take the risk of a thick oil. Diesel oils are thick for the first 5 mins of cold starts compared to other SS/FS oils.

A person who bought a >1.5 lakh bike is expected to use atleast a 500 Rs engine oil every 3000 km.

HDEO's are used by many high end bikes around the world, but understand, those oils are good quality group II oils, which I am not sure of is being incorporated into Indian made HDEOs.

[psr]

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Have changed the 4T oil to Rimula R4, as i was able to receive lots of good feedback from the experts. Neither members of this forum whoever using it, have any complaints about HDEO. I now feel smooth gear shifts, engine sounds more refined. Ji, "Regarding using Delvac or Shell Rimula Diesel engine oils, the risk is all yours" - more frightening.

I am using Shell Rimula R3X for the past 1k+ Kms, member "Max ZMA" had used it in a ZMA with fresh engine job for 2K Kms, Two more new ZMAs have R4 in them , and a ZMR is now running on R4 ,.....and all have only good things to say about Rimula R3X and R4...The warning about the risk is because what is being done is NOT Scientific, and results quantified.So the element of uncertainty persists...
So it is better to warn would be users, than giving assuring answers....
As for me I will not go back to the conventional Gasoline(Petrol) recommended oil for my ZMA, since I had never in 2 years had such smooth shifting of gears, reduced heat from engine, reduced vibrations,and good acceleration like i am getting with the Rimula....None of my Gaskets or oil Seals leak,and oil still looks young and light.

[Pinaki]

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.... I pushed to the limit. Why throw away the oil before it gives up?

My daily usage is 3times*5kms = 15kms or a maximum of 20kms in a very less traffic(no traffic signals also) with speeds no more than 50kmph. So Psr sir, is it still necessary to drain the FS Oil in such short intervals when the oil is still functioning well?

The oil in our motorcycles has to perform several functions simultanously
i) overall lubrication ( reducing and preventing friction between engine parts as far as possible ) .
ii) to absorb all engine effluents from combustion that doesn't exit thru exhaust , as well as that entering the engine through air-intake ( air pollutants and sub-micron dust ) , fuel components ( from impure petrol ) and engine wear particles ( metal dust , clutch-wear dust etc ) .
iv) to neutralise the very acidic combustion products ( sulfuric acid) so that it does not corrode engine parts .
v) to hold all this absorbed , cleaned and neutralised stuff in suspension so that does not settle down on the engine parts to form sludge/gum .
vi) act as gear oil
vii) circulate the heat out of the hot spots into the engine's exterior for desipation into the atmosphere .
viii) contend with heat stress from daily heating and cooling cycles , oxidation and prevent foaming .

Remember that motorcycle engines has very small oil-sump ( thus very little oil to work with ) , yet it has to contend with far higher RPMs and manage far greater heat without help of any other coolant , plus be abused with constant shear in the gearbox . Compared to car engines which have large sumps and oil volume, seperate coolant system and gearbox oil and work at much lower RPMs . So what happens after your FS oil has neutralised all the acid it can and absorbed the last bit of dirt it could ? It just deposits the excess ( like all saturated fluids ) inside the engine . The effect of sludge and gum formation is not evident immediately , but the harm is cumulative . So while it's lubricating properties are more or less intact and the ride is feeling good , your FS oil may have become saturated . So you have to change it in time . Even if you are feeling that the oil is smooth and ok . You don't save any money by skipping oil changes .
Moreover riding the motor for a) very short distances at a time and/or at low speed and RPMs (traffic) b) highly polluted air or dusty/sandy terrain c) high ambient temps d) impure/adultrated fuel e) hauling heavy weight load etc is considered severe-service . Severe-service requires oil change ( and air-filter change ) nearly twice as early as normal-service .

If your riding pattern is like this , better shift to a cheaper mineral oil or 15w40 Diesel oil . FS oils are advantageous for high-mileage riders .

Castrol Power 1 Racing WAS 10W40 grade. Its now available in 10w50 grade. ..

Yes , so I see . My mistake .

... Ji, "Regarding using Delvac or Shell Rimula Diesel engine oils, the risk is all yours" - more frightening .

As our dear psr has already said , and I repeat - the warning is a formality . Meaning that we aren't responsible for your engine just vanishing under you from using these non-specified oils . but come-on , you know that it's quite unlikely , nahi ?

[mayank.travadi]

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Since there is a discussion of diesel engine oil being used in bikes...and with many memebrs successfully testing it and have got positive result i wanted to try it...but the vehicle in question is different....i wanted to ask that will diesel oils be good for scooters like activa?? there is no question of clutch slippage in these..

for my next oil change i was thinking to get the castrol's special oil for gearless scooters....but then i saw a 1 litre bottle of mobil devlac 1300 in a shop nearby...now confused what to use...the scoot is 50k kms old...and has seen a variety of oils from honda oil to servo oils...all mineral though...

i am in no hurry since i just poured honda oil in my scoot last month...will be doing oil change after around 4 months now...

PS: i have a new p200NS and its only 7 months old and right now wont be doing any experiments but still wanted to know if diesel oils will be good for such an engine? may be 2-3 years down the line i might experiment...right now using bajaj company oil and motul mineral oil(obviously not at the same time)

so any diesel oils in 20W50 or related grades? i could only see xw40 grades available

Anyone has an answer for this???

[murlidhar]

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Anyone has an answer for this???

use it and let us know. i don't think those diesel oils will not provide lubrication.

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