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  • Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
    HI, Been using vega offroad but many experienced riders have pointed out the safety aspect of helmet and even i feel its not upto the mark.Wind noise and wobbling is too much.Have decided to upgrade to Sparx s-07(good vs evil or pawww) or Sol sl68s. Im keen on sparx.Would like to know how both helmets are w.r.t 1.Wind noise 2.Protection 3.Venting Also, this would be my daily helmet(for city rides) as well as for highway rides. Thank you. Also, I remember reading few issues with sparx many pages back.Are there any sparx fakes around? Is A.H. helmets official seller for sparx?Things like this tilt in favour of sol.But the graphics on sparx are too good.

    AH is not an authorised reseller. Sparx/KBC is genuinely imported only by PRS, where if I'm not mistaken, the pricing is in the 7-8k range. Delhi is flooded with fakes in the 4k+ range. When spending for a brand I would want to make sure I get genuine.

    Originally posted by kpvision View Post
    Hi Guys,
    Might sound silly - replying to my own comment. BTW, got a new helmet. Again, an Vega product, with ISI mark from Helmet paradise. It is gloss finish with good graphics showing speedometer (similar range as Vega Cara). Weight of the helmet is 1370gms. My current helmet weigh is 1100gms. I am always wearing a small-medium size helmet. My head size is 550mm, so I need a small /medium as per manufacturer.
    Pain point is that all the “real” helmets (safety approved, removable padding) the shop has in L size only. Most of them are 1500gms+-50gms.
    Surprising that he is able to sell it to all customers (great forest where one size fits all).
    Note: I stitch my cloths as far as possible, even in a place where sail boat looking shirts, over sized trousers are considered normal these days. It is surprising to know that most people are not particular about helmet size and buying helmets by looking at it less than they would examine vegetable.
    Finally, got the Vega with 560mm size and was the best fitting of the lot. He told me to come again within couple of days if there is a problem.
    First ride realized that I need little extra padding on top. So went there again to put some more foam on top of the head to fill it so that it won't come near eye brows.
    So, I am the odd ball in that shop now (note that I have bought all my riding gear from that shop and even three helmets during last 5 years).
    Again tried some other LS2 helmet, again L in size, but all could be padded to fit any shape!.
    Now, shop keeper told me that I could go for LS2 . He also told me that since we both don’t have time, I have to decide now itself (his clever way of telling not to come there again!). I really didn’t want to buy a way too big helmet (his argument is that big bike needs big helmet!! .
    After two days of ride, the helmet is OK, bit I guess needs little bit more padding on cheeks.
    The helmet gives adequate noise cancellation and feels ok. But wind noise gets in by 70kmph itself.
    I have to go for an upgrade soon. This time will try another shop, which will really sell S or M sized "real" helmets.

    Happy to see proper application of mind!

    Helmets are sized with a Primary and Secondary fit.

    The Primary fit is the crown size, where the circumference of the head is measured and EVERYTHING, including the shell, EPS (thermocol) and crown comfort liner(padding) which is made to the correct size has to fit. This crown fit is important because it needs to be as snug as comfortably possible in order to absorb the impact energy to the skull in a crash. Merely padding with extra foam to give the "feeling" of a proper fit is not going to do the job properly in a crash. This is because the primary absorption of impact in a crash is not done by the padding but the EPS. That is the reason that helmet manufacturers abroad make so many different helmet shells, with differing EPS cores and crown liners, in order to get the optimum fit. Most large foreign helmet brands manufacture sizes XXS to XXL!

    The Secondary fit determination is done after the Primary fit is done. The secondary fit uses the cheek-pads to get a snug fitting around the cheeks and face. The cheekpads varies greatly, since a person with a large face could have a fat or lean face and this will mean thinning or thickening of the cheek pads accordingly.

    Always remember that the cheekpads are to be adjusted AFTER the determination of the crown size, not the the other way around, since this fitting is more for comfort and snugness.

    In India, since helmets are still a "bazaar" item and not really bought by the majority of riders for their protection, the traders and shopkeepers prefer to stock just one size to keep inventories low. So most importers and manufacturers stock only the size L or XL, since traders can just stuff foam into the helmets to get a "fit" with any customer. They then convince customers with swapping cheekpads, to give the customer a feeling of a proper fit, when in reality they are just adjusting for the face, not the head. This is incorrect and often negates the very purpose for which you buy a helmet - but nobody is asking and nobody cares.

    Buying a wrong sized helmet is like wearing a loose seatbelt. It cannot do its job properly and can even be dangerous.

    If the buying public was properly educated, the traders would have to stock many more sizes and increase their inventory. Remember, they can stuff bits of foam into an XL or L sized helmet to make it seem to fit a smaller head to convince a gullible customer, but they can't expand a S sized helmet to fit a customer with a large head. That's why you never find smaller sizes in the shops.

    So if they're attempting to "size" the helmet by stuffing foam, refuse and demand the proper size! Remember its your head!

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    • Originally posted by Sunnyside_up! View Post
      AH is not an authorised reseller. Sparx/KBC is genuinely imported only by PRS, where if I'm not mistaken, the pricing is in the 7-8k range. Delhi is flooded with fakes in the 4k+ range. When spending for a brand I would want to make sure I get genuine.
      The sparx im getting is close to what you have quoted.Basically its sol vs sparx for me.Sol, i know, is officially sold by ah helmets, so there's no question of it being a fake.
      I "MAY" just end up picking the sol hornet.But, Say, Even if i was to go for sparx, What all things should i check to know its not a fake? Is something provided with sparx helmets, as in a hologram/receipt etc? Anyone who has got their lid from prs, could you please tell me what all things you get with sparx helmet?
      Last edited by ynike99; 04-02-2013, 11:36 AM.
      Motorcycling heals, big time...

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      • Originally posted by onlinesatish View Post
        I would suggest you to avoid Sparx if you are buying it here in hyd.
        Oh. Why to Avoid sparx??
        Any problem with Sparx bro?
        Royal Enfield Bullet Standard 350cc 1989, Bajaj Avenger 200-2009, Pulsar 200 NS 2015.

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        • Hey I have installed wireless break light kit on my sol helmet 68s.

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          • It is really easy to spot out the fake sparx ones. the quality, finish, packaging speaks for itself. it comes with a munual, 2 stickers and spare eye brow vents. it comes in a black and orange bag and of course the box.
            Last edited by Mail2vasant; 04-02-2013, 02:09 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Mail2vasant View Post
              It is really easy to spot out the fake sparx ones. the quality, finish, packaging speaks for itself. it comes with a munual, 2 stickers and spare eye brow vents. it comes in a black and orange bag and of course the box.
              Thank you so much.i will definitely check on these items for my purchase.
              Motorcycling heals, big time...

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              • Originally posted by Mail2vasant View Post
                It is really easy to spot out the fake sparx ones. the quality, finish, packaging speaks for itself. it comes with a munual, 2 stickers and spare eye brow vents. it comes in a black and orange bag and of course the box.
                Oh god! You opened my eyes.
                I was about to go for sparx, Thanx however. I will check out the things which you have listed.
                Royal Enfield Bullet Standard 350cc 1989, Bajaj Avenger 200-2009, Pulsar 200 NS 2015.

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                • Originally posted by Mail2vasant View Post
                  It is really easy to spot out the fake sparx ones. the quality, finish, packaging speaks for itself. it comes with a munual, 2 stickers and spare eye brow vents. it comes in a black and orange bag and of course the box.
                  If they could fake the whole helmet, do you think that it would be difficult to fake some stickers and a bag? I've been working with helmets and riding gear everyday now for about three years and have seen literally hundreds. Let me tell you that even then I have a problem identifying the fakes from the genuine article.

                  The fake market exists so that they can sell the duplicate item for the original's price - don't be fooled by pricing either. It is the desperate trader who will suddenly drop the price of the fake to rotate cash. He cannot do that with genuine articles because his cost itself would be higher. Conversely, a trader with deep pockets will hold even duplicate stocks to sell at higher prices if he can afford to.

                  The quickest way to identify a fake is from the weight. Genuine DOT or ECE helmets have to have a certain heft and shell thickness to pass the stringent impact penetration tests. The ones that can need to have a stronger shell and will automatically have a certain weight (between 1400-1800gms) unless they are made of exotic materials like carbon fibre. The shell is one of the more expensive components of a helmet so duplicates typically use a thinner shell to save on the material and save money. Most duplicates therefore are lighter than the original model that they are made to represent.

                  However, I must tell you that even this technique is now being caught on by the fakers and I have actually come across a few new generation fakers which have been artificially "weighted" to give the feeling of heft!!

                  Another common faker give-away is that most international brands use multiple shells to get different sizes. Fakers normally use just one and then play with the padding to get a fit. This is because helmet moulds cost a fortune and making multiples would make faking non-profitable.

                  @ Ynike - I strongly suggest that you avoid anyone else and buy only from PRS if you want a genuine Sparx/KBC.

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                  • Originally posted by Sunnyside_up! View Post
                    If they could fake the whole helmet, do you think that it would be difficult to fake some stickers and a bag? I've been working with helmets and riding gear everyday now for about three years and have seen literally hundreds. Let me tell you that even then I have a problem identifying the fakes from the genuine article.

                    The fake market exists so that they can sell the duplicate item for the original's price - don't be fooled by pricing either. It is the desperate trader who will suddenly drop the price of the fake to rotate cash. He cannot do that with genuine articles because his cost itself would be higher. Conversely, a trader with deep pockets will hold even duplicate stocks to sell at higher prices if he can afford to.

                    The quickest way to identify a fake is from the weight. Genuine DOT or ECE helmets have to have a certain heft and shell thickness to pass the stringent impact penetration tests. The ones that can need to have a stronger shell and will automatically have a certain weight (between 1400-1800gms) unless they are made of exotic materials like carbon fibre. The shell is one of the more expensive components of a helmet so duplicates typically use a thinner shell to save on the material and save money. Most duplicates therefore are lighter than the original model that they are made to represent.

                    However, I must tell you that even this technique is now being caught on by the fakers and I have actually come across a few new generation fakers which have been artificially "weighted" to give the feeling of heft!!

                    Another common faker give-away is that most international brands use multiple shells to get different sizes. Fakers normally use just one and then play with the padding to get a fit. This is because helmet moulds cost a fortune and making multiples would make faking non-profitable.

                    @ Ynike - I strongly suggest that you avoid anyone else and buy only from PRS if you want a genuine Sparx/KBC.
                    +100 to every single point made. And don't forget the warranty too, I don't know how in the world they offer warranty to fakes too. I guess it's "just like that"

                    Originally posted by Mail2vasant View Post
                    It is really easy to spot out the fake sparx ones. the quality, finish, packaging speaks for itself. it comes with a munual, 2 stickers and spare eye brow vents. it comes in a black and orange bag and of course the box.
                    Fakes are fakes no matter, the box, sticker, bags etc. It's considered "fake" as a whole. It'd doesn't much effort to replicate mere stickers and bags and covers if they can literally fake a complete helmet.

                    Cheers!
                    VJ
                    Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                    The girl said, 'NO!'


                    And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                    THE END

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                    • I have already posted this in the 'indian made helmet' Thread. Now i am reposting the same here as i am planning to buy another helmet also
                      I use a Studds chrome helmet and I find it good. The reason I bought it is when I bought the bike I didn't have a helmet and the near by shops had only Studds.
                      The greatest difficulty in buying a helmet for me is the size. My head is small so most of the helmets I tried were just wobbling on head.
                      The best fit I got was the Chrome. When I bought the visor was tinted as only it was available. Later changed to a clear visor.
                      The advantages I see in this helmet are
                      Not expensive
                      The shell is not painted and the plastic is textured so no scratches or paint peeling off. I find this the best thing about this helmet.

                      Disadvantages I felt are
                      The chin area does not have sufficient padding.
                      No proper vents for air to enter.
                      Non removable liners (as it is an entry level helmet). This is the single reason why I want another helmet.

                      Now I am planning to buy a new one. I don't want to buy too expensive ones as I have the habit of dropping the helmet and in this matter my current one is good as it is not a painted one.
                      Please suggest me a good helmet. My budget is for a medium range.



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                      • Guys best helmet sub 4k range with best ventilation, lighter if possibleand something which can avoid helmet hair to a certain extent??

                        P.s. I have a LS2 Combat, it makes me sweat like hell, almost unbearable in the summers now also it's a bit too heavy now :|

                        Thanks
                        Last edited by ramdante; 04-02-2013, 04:44 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by rxdude View Post
                          I have already posted this in the 'indian made helmet' Thread. Now i am reposting the same here as i am planning to buy another helmet also
                          I use a Studds chrome helmet and I find it good. The reason I bought it is when I bought the bike I didn't have a helmet and the near by shops had only Studds.
                          The greatest difficulty in buying a helmet for me is the size. My head is small so most of the helmets I tried were just wobbling on head.
                          The best fit I got was the Chrome. When I bought the visor was tinted as only it was available. Later changed to a clear visor.
                          The advantages I see in this helmet are
                          Not expensive
                          The shell is not painted and the plastic is textured so no scratches or paint peeling off. I find this the best thing about this helmet.

                          Disadvantages I felt are
                          The chin area does not have sufficient padding.
                          No proper vents for air to enter.
                          Non removable liners (as it is an entry level helmet). This is the single reason why I want another helmet.

                          Now I am planning to buy a new one. I don't want to buy too expensive ones as I have the habit of dropping the helmet and in this matter my current one is good as it is not a painted one.
                          Please suggest me a good helmet. My budget is for a medium range.

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                          Medium range budget? If you can quote "numbers" that'd be helpful to advice some. But since you've mentioned "medium" why not Vega Cara or Studds range. Cheap and best!


                          Originally posted by ramdante View Post
                          Guys best helmet sub 4k range with best ventilation and something which can avoid helmet hair to a certain extent??

                          P.s. I have a LS2 Combat, it makes me sweat like hell, almost unbearable in the summers now also it's a bit too heavy now :|
                          Why not extend a little bit and get yourself the SOL, the most number of vents I've known on any helmets and has gotten pretty good reviews too.

                          Cheers!
                          VJ
                          Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                          The girl said, 'NO!'


                          And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                          THE END

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                          • Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                            Medium range budget? If you can quote "numbers" that'd be helpful to advice some.
                            A maximum of 5000 INR.
                            Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                            why not Vega Cara or Studds range. Cheap and best!
                            :
                            Do these come with removable liners and most importantly size, as I have mentioned my head is small for most of the helmets I tried.
                            What do you think about the LS2 sub 5000 range.




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                            • Originally posted by rxdude View Post
                              A maximum of 5000 INR.

                              Do these come with removable liners and most importantly size, as I have mentioned my head is small for most of the helmets I tried.
                              What do you think about the LS2 sub 5000 range.

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                              For 5k, why not go for SOL other than LS2. These have a little snugger fit, since you've mentioned you have a small head. Yes the liners on this helmet are removable ones, both on Scorpion and Vega Cara and LS2 and SOL.

                              I'd suggest you go for SOL for snug fit and for ventilation.

                              Cheers!
                              VJ
                              Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                              The girl said, 'NO!'


                              And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                              THE END

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                              • Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post

                                Why not extend a little bit and get yourself the SOL, the most number of vents I've known on any helmets and has gotten pretty good reviews too.

                                Cheers!
                                VJ
                                Thanks for the reply man. Any idea how how the ventilation will be compared against my Ls2 Combat?
                                Also, do the cheaper helmets(sub 1200) helmets have better ventilation than all these premium priced ones?

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