Helmets

[Xzibit Roll]

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My new LID..

Looks wicked :thumbup:
Can you share the details.

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[xpranav]

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Indeed! The mail from SHARP means that these guys are simply pasting the 4 Stars stickers on themselves!

Here we go

[DebayanS]

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Looks wicked :thumbup:
Can you share the details.

Thank you mate ..
Have Pm'ed you the details

[ATIQ]

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Why pm dude...? Let Us all know... enlighten us..

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[lasky]

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Indeed! The mail from SHARP means that these guys are simply pasting the 4 Stars stickers on themselves!

Got an interesting reply from Tech design team of LS2 uk
kindly go through the emails they sent me.I had sent the email which you received from Sharp and this is what LS2 Uk has to say

TDT - Gavin Mccaffery <[email protected]>	2:34 PM (1 hour ago)
to me, John, LS2

Dear Sir
Maybe I can clear this for you
The FF351 is the FF350 you see with four stars, we made a small change to the visor system and the comfort lining was updated so our factory had to give it a new model number for the sake of production clarification.
No changes were made to the shell or the construction of the helmet so the 4 stars should still apply in this case.
So the FF350 you see on the sharp website is the FF351
Hope this clears the matter up for you.
Regards
Gavin



Gavin McCaffery
SALES DIRECTOR
LS2 Helmets - Tech Design Team UK
Land Line: +44 (0)1670 856342
Fax:+44 (0)1670 855770
Mob O7703 180456
Skype gavmacls22
TECH DESIGN TEAM s.l. Terrassa, Barcelona - Spain.. The contents of this e.mail are confidential to the intended recipient at the e.mail address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error please notify us immediately by telephone and delete the e.mail. Neither TECH DESIGN TEAM nor the sender accepts any liability for viruses. - Please consider the environment, do you need to print this E-mail?

vikas	3:33 PM (46 minutes ago)
to TDT

Dear Gavin,

Thank you for your reply.The Sharp website mentions a weight of 1600 gms for The FF 350 and the FF 351 is lighter at 1300+/-50 gms.As you have mentioned there is no change made to the shell or the structure of the helmet,is it just because of changing the visor mechanism and comfort lining that the helmet is lighter by approx 300 gms?Could you confirm the same?

Regards,

Vikas

TDT - Gavin Mccaffery	4:17 PM (2 minutes ago)
to me

Hi Vikas
As with all helmets there is a variation in weight , if you cover 6 sizes with two shells.
If you look at ff350 and ff351 they are identical ,
The sharp test here is used as a marketing ploy and not a safety standard, the test results can vary, 2 stars today could be 4 tomorrow.
EC2205 is the only safety standard required by law and all helmets must have that.

Thanks Gavin

[krish2778]

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Got an interesting reply from Tech design team of LS2 uk
kindly go through the emails they sent me.I had sent the email which you received from Sharp and this is what LS2 Uk has to say

Seems like they are fumbling around..!!
Really appreciate your action of following it up to this extend. Now we have a proper insight of the claims manufactures gloat about. And as always, thanks to Sunny sir..he has always been of great help..!!!

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

[Sunnyside_up!]

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Got an interesting reply from Tech design team of LS2 uk
kindly go through the emails they sent me.I had sent the email which you received from Sharp and this is what LS2 Uk has to say

TDT - Gavin Mccaffery <[email protected]>	2:34 PM (1 hour ago)
to me, John, LS2

Dear Sir
Maybe I can clear this for you
The FF351 is the FF350 you see with four stars, we made a small change to the visor system and the comfort lining was updated so our factory had to give it a new model number for the sake of production clarification.
No changes were made to the shell or the construction of the helmet so the 4 stars should still apply in this case.
So the FF350 you see on the sharp website is the FF351
Hope this clears the matter up for you.
Regards
Gavin



Gavin McCaffery
SALES DIRECTOR
LS2 Helmets - Tech Design Team UK
Land Line: +44 (0)1670 856342
Fax:+44 (0)1670 855770
Mob O7703 180456
Skype gavmacls22
TECH DESIGN TEAM s.l. Terrassa, Barcelona - Spain.. The contents of this e.mail are confidential to the intended recipient at the e.mail address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error please notify us immediately by telephone and delete the e.mail. Neither TECH DESIGN TEAM nor the sender accepts any liability for viruses. - Please consider the environment, do you need to print this E-mail?

vikas	3:33 PM (46 minutes ago)
to TDT

Dear Gavin,

Thank you for your reply.The Sharp website mentions a weight of 1600 gms for The FF 350 and the FF 351 is lighter at 1300+/-50 gms.As you have mentioned there is no change made to the shell or the structure of the helmet,is it just because of changing the visor mechanism and comfort lining that the helmet is lighter by approx 300 gms?Could you confirm the same?

Regards,

Vikas

TDT - Gavin Mccaffery	4:17 PM (2 minutes ago)
to me

Hi Vikas
As with all helmets there is a variation in weight , if you cover 6 sizes with two shells.
If you look at ff350 and ff351 they are identical ,
The sharp test here is used as a marketing ploy and not a safety standard, the test results can vary, 2 stars today could be 4 tomorrow.
EC2205 is the only safety standard required by law and all helmets must have that.

Thanks Gavin

Interesting indeed!

In their earlier reply to you via Facebook, they said "The old FF 350 was bulkier and weighed approx 300 gms more.The current model is compact in look and is much lighter at approx 1300 +/-50 gms". They also said it "had received 4 star Sharp ratings."

Now they say " the 4 stars should still apply in this case" !!

Obviously this means the helmet did not get its SHARP rating yet, right?

Yet the FF351 which my colleague bought in the pic below shows a 4 star rating from SHARP! The other picture also clearly mentions it is a FF351. Now when cornered with proof from SHARP, the Sales Director dismisses it saying its a "marketing ploy"! That IMO is downright sneaky and does not reflect well on the reputation of the company!

Incidentally, he also says the weight variation can happen when there are two shell sizes, yet the official LS2 website clearly says the FF351 has only one shell, so that's also a falsehood.



I am not debating the ECE or safety standard of this model. I too have used an LS2 at one time and thought they made decent helmets. I also trust that you would have done your own due diligence yourself, since you have been pro-active in communicating with the company. In fact this line of thought only arose from my doubt which I shared with you about the SHARP rating.

However, the fact that the company itself seems to be making blatantly false claims makes me wonder what else they will give the go by in the name of a "marketing ploy" .

[hypheni]

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Could anyone tell me what are the pros and cons of Mirror visor helmets. Currently using one Studds Jade helmet for me CBR, want to update to some better. Any suggestions ? My preference would be full face - sport type [no dirt type] - mirror visor - budget [max 3K]

[lasky]

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Interesting indeed!

In their earlier reply to you via Facebook, they said "The old FF 350 was bulkier and weighed approx 300 gms more.The current model is compact in look and is much lighter at approx 1300 +/-50 gms". They also said it "had received 4 star Sharp ratings."

Now they say " the 4 stars should still apply in this case" !!

Obviously this means the helmet did not get its SHARP rating yet, right?

Yet the FF351 which my colleague bought in the pic below shows a 4 star rating from SHARP! The other picture also clearly mentions it is a FF351. Now when cornered with proof from SHARP, the Sales Director dismisses it saying its a "marketing ploy"! That IMO is downright sneaky and does not reflect well on the reputation of the company!

Incidentally, he also says the weight variation can happen when there are two shell sizes, yet the official LS2 website clearly says the FF351 has only one shell, so that's also a falsehood.

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I am not debating the ECE or safety standard of this model. I too have used an LS2 at one time and thought they made decent helmets. I also trust that you would have done your own due diligence yourself, since you have been pro-active in communicating with the company. In fact this line of thought only arose from my doubt which I shared with you about the SHARP rating.

However, the fact that the company itself seems to be making blatantly false claims makes me wonder what else they will give the go by in the name of a "marketing ploy" .

And he also mentioned that 4 stars today could be 2 stars tomorrow and vice versa, lol .........they themselves don`t know what are they talking about.IMO they just wanted to downplay the bigger players like AGV ARAI etc whose price is approx 10 times the price of LS2 in uk and LS2 wanted to prove that their cheaper products are still matching to their safety standards like sharp 4 star rating.NOW the real testing will happen when SHARP tests the real FF 351 in the near future,the one showed in the above pics.Lets wait and watch.

[B7ACKTHORN]

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Could anyone tell me what are the pros and cons of Mirror visor helmets. Currently using one Studds Jade helmet for me CBR, want to update to some better. Any suggestions ? My preference would be full face - sport type [no dirt type] - mirror visor - budget [max 3K]

Mirror visors or tinted visors as they are called, are basically to reduce the harmful sunlight on our face, and nowadays most are UV coated and they effectively reduce the rays falling on one's face. And yes apart from that, they look cool either. Truth be told, the Jade is a very atavist kinda helmet, and it's no use to upgrade that helmet with a visor. Best would be to upgrade to a new full face and get yourself a tinted visor.


There aren't any helmets in and under 3k but there are LS2 helmets and if you can up your budget 2 to 3k more you can get yourself a very good approved helmet. At around 3k there aren't many helmets that would suffice your requirement. But you can try Studds Scoption series with tinted visors, these helmets are real good and excellent VFM.

And he also mentioned that 4 stars today could be 2 stars tomorrow and vice versa, lol .........they themselves don`t know what are they talking about.IMO they just wanted to downplay the bigger players like AGV ARAI etc whose price is approx 10 times the price of LS2 in uk and LS2 wanted to prove that their cheaper products are still matching to their safety standards like sharp 4 star rating.NOW the real testing will happen when SHARP tests the real FF 351 in the near future,the one showed in the above pics.Lets wait and watch.

Lots of moot-points in the mail, etc. And one note of particular that caught me by surprise is the "marketing ploy" how in the world can anyone just say marketing ploy, understanding it could be detrimental to their company and can be turned against them for *ploying* their customers all these days. Phew!

Cheers!
VJ

[hypheni]

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Nice explanation mate. And I'm not gonna add a visor to the existing Jade. I am talking about buying a new one. One thing I need to make sure that Mirror / Tinted visor is only for day or I can see through it at night as I used to do with normal plain visors ?. Will there be any visibility issue using those visor at night ?. And buying a helmet worth 5K or 6K is okay but will those helmets have ISI mark as Indian traffic guards don't care about the brand or product, they see only the ISI mark.

[B7ACKTHORN]

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Nice explanation mate. And I'm not gonna add a visor to the existing Jade. I am talking about buying a new one. One thing I need to make sure that Mirror / Tinted visor is only for day or I can see through it at night as I used to do with normal plain visors ?. Will there be any visibility issue using those visor at night ?. And buying a helmet worth 5K or 6K is okay but will those helmets have ISI mark as Indian traffic guards don't care about the brand or product, they see only the ISI mark.

As default by their very usage, we aren't supposed to use tinted at night times, and it's not recommended even by laws abroad. And it hampers vision depending on the tint, a darker tint will off no hope, slight tint -- but any tint, for that matter if it's colored other than a normal visor, it isn't supposed to be used at night, only in days. Local helmets have ISI mark, international helmets have even stricter standards which a far better than ISI.

But our cops well, they see you as someone from Mars if you start gearing. But if you have frequent ISI checks by , then stick with Studds Scorpion at 4.5k with tinted visor it's an excellent VFM stuff.

Cheers!
VJ

[hypheni]

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Will go to Helmet shop and try a few Tinted visors and decide.

[jethmalani25]

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I am looking for decent helmet with sratch proof visors, budget is around 1500 to 2000...had seen TWIX, SB 34 (open cum full), booleyan...need suggest amongst these and also other suggestions if some one can please.

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[Sanchit Arora]

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Thanx for the info @chaosaddict ...

Would love to join for a cuppa or a mug

So finally after finishing work, @chaosaddict and [MENTION=37862]snehithpereira[/MENTION] came to help me buy a helmet... Thanx guys...

As suggested we went to Let's Gear Up to get a SOL as decided... and also @SuvraGanguly joined us mid way... Thanx again...

Tried SOL and found out that an M size is a perfect fit while L is a little loose. But they had only PINK UNICORN in M...err.... No SF1 also, Not even Solid White... Disappointed.... we decided to give a try at Megha Ent. and Helmet Paradise... Disappointed again at both the places, No M size... and no SOL... was thinking what abundance of SOL meant... @chaosaddict) but got a glimpse of Sparx & HJC at Helmet paradise and was tempted like a baby...

Saw Sparx and Daijya and HJC and after an hour of trying and testing and changing of pads.. finally bought a HJC !!!