Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[prajwalkashyap]

Bought this army boots. Used them last Sunday for 200 kms ride. Boots are light weight and very comfortable.
My concern is will it provide enough protection?

Are these available in any army surplus store? I am picking these up right away! How much did u pay for these?

Prajwal

[payeng]

Well well, Today saw DSG Jackets Niro & Triton etc etc... well to be very honest, internal padding & protection is disappointing I would not recommend DSG to any of my friends wanna see Cramster now, ventilation issue is also there ...

At Price around 5k - 6.5 I would go with Rjays Swift any time looking at Comfort, quality & protection..

I don't know how its been used this much here in Mumbai :/No offense to users but was just putting up my thought !!!

For ventilation from DSG, Rage is the one you should look at not the Nero or the Triton. Also could you be cleared about what exactly did you not like?

DSG stuff is better than Cramster anyday.

[shahbaz63]

Internal Protection Elbow & Arm...also the ventilation compare to other brands ...

But I haven't observed Cramster Jacket so can't say but Can Surely say Rjays any day way better then DSG... No blind following or favoritism ... Just Pure Truth

[payeng]

Internal Protection Elbow & Arm...also the ventilation compare to other brands ...

But I haven't observed Cramster Jacket so can't say but Can Surely say Rjays any day way better then DSG... No blind following or favoritism ... Just Pure Truth

And I have never tried RJays.. so am not commenting on it. But DSG stuff is very good Value for Money to me. Have been using it since 2007.

Instead of the Rjays Swift (Rs. 7K).. you can stretch a bit more and go for the Alpinestars T-GP Air (Rs. 8.5K), my other Jacket. Excellent fit, provided you have a fit body type.

[shahbaz63]

And I have never tried RJays.. so am not commenting on it. But DSG stuff is very good Value for Money to me. Have been using it since 2007.

Instead of the Rjays Swift (Rs. 7K).. you can stretch a bit more and go for the Alpinestars T-GP Air (Rs. 8.5K). Excellent fit, provided you have a fit body type.

Rjay's swift used to be 5.5k till last month... now its 7k...

but Payeng there are lots of Bikers/ Riders using it now a days I know & I thought the internal protection which they give is of really thick foam or whatever its but today when I saw it its just like a thermacol , I guess yours will also be same like that Thermacol yellow color may be .... And I think Heliox is the other brand then Rjay's who has got very good internal padding or protection.. DSG Jacket comes around 5.5k - 6.5k i guess so still Swift comes at 5.5 k too few size ..

A* Jacket need to be tried first & Obviously its gonna be good name is enough but here I am typically speaking about DSG only ...

NO doubt Jacket is awesome (here i mean only jacket) but with protection i somehow didnt liked it, it would be better to replace protector, coz anyhow you can get a very good brand Mesh Jacket at 5k or less very easily ....Only jacket which looks cool. And No Nero or Rage both will make you wet in normal sunny day but not Textile / Mesh jackets like Octane or Jet stream...

[payeng]

Rjay's swift used to be 5.5k till last month... now its 7k...

but Payeng there are lots of Bikers/ Riders using it now a days I know & I thought the internal protection which they give is of really thick foam or whatever its but today when I saw it its just like a thermacol , I guess yours will also be same like that Thermacol yellow color may be .... And I think Heliox is the other brand then Rjay's who has got very good internal padding or protection.. DSG Jacket comes around 5.5k - 6.5k i guess so still Swift comes at 5.5 k too few size ..

A* Jacket need to be tried first & Obviously its gonna be good name is enough but here I am typically speaking about DSG only ...

Honestly, I don't really feel the armor on my Alpinestars to be much different than my DSG.

Anyway if anyone is really that SERIOUS about protection (like calculating thickness of the armor).. one would also not miss out on wearing armored riding pants and riding shoes too, ALWAYS and EVERY SINGLE TIME one hops onto his bike.

[param0504]

Are these available in any army surplus store? I am picking these up right away! How much did u pay for these?

Prajwal

i bought this army boots from army store at jammu last month and i paid Rs. 750.

[B7ACKTHORN]

Rjay's swift used to be 5.5k till last month... now its 7k...

but Payeng there are lots of Bikers/ Riders using it now a days I know & I thought the internal protection which they give is of really thick foam or whatever its but today when I saw it its just like a thermacol And I think Heliox is the other brand then Rjay's who has got very good internal padding or protection.. DSG Jacket comes around 5.5k - 6.5k i guess so still Swift comes at 5.5 k too few size .. Only jacket which looks cool. And No Nero or Rage both will make you wet in normal sunny day but not Textile / Mesh jackets like Octane or Jet stream...

DSG was the cheapest available gear before the entre of many more high end brands and RIDER INSPIRED Spartan. Indeed, I would put Spartan is constantly evolving their product line, which is plus, considering the oodles of jackets out there. Where people only concetrate aesthetically, Spartan incorporates safety measures as prime, with the new KNOX, leather etc.

That being said, RJays has been the reigning hero for most of the fellas here, indeed so much so, it gave a good run for the DSG folks. DSG's padding in Rage is pathetic, and even more so in Cramster's shoulder. But that is the only drawback in Cramster's products. Apart from that they really last long, yes they are crappy sometimes, but most of the time they do their job just right.

Cheers!
VJ

[Mithungo]

what is ideal material for a balaclava??
yesterday i bought a cheap one made up of Lycra material...
while buying i didn't notice the stitches comes just in front of my nose and mouth making it uncomfortable to wear and i can't return it now.
lesson learnt:before buying cheap stuffs 1st try then buy...

Buddy try the Cramster balaclava. Very good stuff. Been using occasionally over an year. It has been through multiple wash cycles.

Regards,
Mithun

[princesirohi]

@ shahbaz63: i think you are a bit confused, so i suggest you make a list of things you want in your jacket. sample list is --

• what level of protection you want- CE certified to what level (for example- i want 1621-1 for elbow and shoulders, and 1621-2: level-1 for back, KNOX will be better)
• what is the reliability of certification- are the protectors really CE certified, or just stamped as CE certified, sadly there is no guarantee and nobody provides test certificates) still famous brands can be a kind of guarantee as their reputation will be at stake.
• do you want your jacket to be upgradeable - like do you want pockets for chest protectors or back protector pocket good enough to be able to upgrade (sadly apart from alpinestar nobody provides chest pockets for chest protection future upgrade.
• how important is ventilation for you- and how much vented is ok. mesh/textile/other.
• do you want a rain liner.
• do you want a thermal liner.

and of course for how much cost.

based on these i have finalized spartan helios with KNOX armour upgrade and thermal liner as additional. thats the best i can get in under 9000 rupees in india. likewise you fix your criteria first.

somebody said he is using Alpinestar T-GP plus air jacket. from the website i understand that its back protection is not CE certified and also it does not have either a rain liner or a thermal liner. then how is it good VFM.

i would also like to know how is DSG Nero a waterproof pant, it does not have a rain liner, that means the outer material is waterproof, and in that case, it has poor ventilation. i want to know more.

[B7ACKTHORN]

somebody said he is using Alpinestar T-GP plus air jacket. from the website i understand that its back protection is not CE certified and also it does not have either a rain liner or a thermal liner. then how is it good VFM.

Shall I sum it up in one word? Why do you think they have their logos in MotoGP and elsewhere, BRAND VALUE. Period.

i would also like to know how is DSG Nero a waterproof pant, it does not have a rain liner, that means the outer material is waterproof, and in that case, it has poor ventilation. i want to know more.

A textile can't be 100% waterproof at any cost, unless they have layers of insulating materials, though there are some real "WATERPROOF" jackets abroad. Talking about NERO, it is water-resistant, not completely waterproof. Sales gimmick used by most resellers.

Personally I think the NERO hasn't gotten such good reviews or that people opting for it. For what it's worth, it's a good riding pant for what I've seen and the hands on review I've heard about them.

Cheers!
VJ

[shahbaz63]

Sirji,

I am using Jet Stream II from Rjay's... And I am quite Satisfied with it...

Ventilation is very important for You & Me (As we both uses it daily, mine ~80km-120 & your ~160km) & every body living In India or Maharasthra at least will look for better ventilation ..

do you want your jacket to be upgradeable - Who doesnt ? but if the stock one is of good quality then one might not want a up-gradation option


Regarding Rjays...
it comes with Removable High density foam Back Protector ...

And Armoured on Elbow & Knee are EN 1621-1 CE Approved ...

EN 1621-1:1997 assesses devices that are designed to protect the shoulder, elbow and forearm, hip, knee and lower leg regions. The test apparatus consists of a mass of 5 kg with a 40 mm x 30 mm striking face, dropped onto the sample mounted on top of a 50 mm radius hemispherical dome. The anvil is further mounted onto a load cell, allowing a measurement to be made of the force transmitted through the protector. The kinetic energy of the falling mass at impact is required to be 50J.
A protector subjected to this test method is deemed to conform to this standard if the average transmitted force of nine tests is less than 35 kN, with no single test result exceeding 50 kN.

@ shahbaz63: i think you are a bit confused, so i suggest you make a list of things you want in your jacket. sample list is --

• what level of protection you want- CE certified to what level (for example- i want 1621-1 for elbow and shoulders, and 1621-2: level-1 for back, KNOX will be better)
• what is the reliability of certification- are the protectors really CE certified, or just stamped as CE certified, sadly there is no guarantee and nobody provides test certificates) still famous brands can be a kind of guarantee as their reputation will be at stake.
• do you want your jacket to be upgradeable - like do you want pockets for chest protectors or back protector pocket good enough to be able to upgrade (sadly apart from alpinestar nobody provides chest pockets for chest protection future upgrade.
• how important is ventilation for you- and how much vented is ok. mesh/textile/other.
• do you want a rain liner.
• do you want a thermal liner.

and of course for how much cost.

based on these i have finalized spartan helios with KNOX armour upgrade and thermal liner as additional. thats the best i can get in under 9000 rupees in india. likewise you fix your criteria first.

somebody said he is using Alpinestar T-GP plus air jacket. from the website i understand that its back protection is not CE certified and also it does not have either a rain liner or a thermal liner. then how is it good VFM.

i would also like to know how is DSG Nero a waterproof pant, it does not have a rain liner, that means the outer material is waterproof, and in that case, it has poor ventilation. i want to know more.

For Me as of now, If I"ve to suggest some one a Riding Jacket it will be definitely between Rjays & Spartans...

[shahbaz63]

Sorry for back to back posts.

Shall I sum it up in one word? Why do you think they have their logos in MotoGP and elsewhere, BRAND VALUE. Period.

i would also like to know how is DSG Nero a waterproof pant, it does not have a rain liner, that means the outer material is waterproof, and in that case, it has poor ventilation. i want to know more.

A textile can't be 100% waterproof at any cost, unless they have layers of insulating materials, though there are some real "WATERPROOF" jackets abroad. Talking about NERO, it is water-resistant, not completely waterproof. Sales gimmick used by most resellers.

Personally I think the NERO hasn't gotten such good reviews or that people opting for it. For what it's worth, it's a good riding pant for what I've seen and the hands on review I've heard about them.

Cheers!
VJ

Regarding A* = its very basic Jacket with brand value ... that's all I can say...


DSG Nero or ABCDEFGH available in India isn't 100% waterproof... All are waterproof in light rain shower....

About Ventilation DSG Jackets & Pants = No Ventilation Literally Period*

[ithebiker]

Patches For Jacket

Dear Xbhpians,

Recently i bought a kamo Jacket From Karol Bagh Which got torned in an accident while returning from Rishikesh. Now as the damage is like holes in the jacket, i was looking for the way to fix it. Patches will do but i could not find any place in delhi for the same.

Need all your help in finding a place to fix it.

Awaiting Replies

[payeng]

somebody said he is using Alpinestar T-GP plus air jacket. from the website i understand that its back protection is not CE certified and also it does not have either a rain liner or a thermal liner. then how is it good VFM.

Who said that the T-GP Plus Air is VFM..??

It is just that it the most affordable "genuine" Alpinestars Jacket available in India. And its NOT a Basic Jacket with JUST Brand Value. Its a High Quality Mesh / Hot Weather Jacket.

There is no Armor in the Chest and Back of the T-GP Plus Air, but just a comfort FOAM. One has to buy the CE certified protectors separately if any one needs them.

Also there is no inner liner (which is the way I like as I don't want to get an inner liner, ride with the hassle of carrying it around separately and keep misplacing it). The T-GP Plus Air is purely meant for hot weather riding.



We Indians want everything done with the least amount of Money.. We want our bike to be comfortable and economical to commute, power, fast and stable enough to go racing, torquey and comfortable for long distance touring, able to perform stunts on it, go off roading .. all with the SAME bike.

No wonder we want our riding gear to be Comfortable in Summer, Rain Proof in Monsoon and Warm in Winter at the same time.. all with the SAME gear.



Yeah we Indians are VFM junkies (I am one too).