Universal : Riding Gear Thread

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Zeus Helmet 806 dual visor
Komine JK - 055
AlpineStars Pants
Alpinestars Gloves
Fila Everest Shoes
Scoyco Knee Guards (Inside the pants)



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[chaosaddict]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Zeus Helmet 806 dual visor
Komine JK - 055
AlpineStars Pants
Alpinestars Gloves
Fila Everest Shoes
Scoyco Knee Guards (Inside the pants)



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Hey bro,

It would be great if you can post a detailed review and pics of your gear. Looks alluring and 'would like to know more. I am sure that many more here would like to know.

Thanks in advance.

[xpranav]

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I was looking at the Jacket available online and there is no option to add a thermal liner.. I checked SnapDeal too... no option for thermal liner there too...

In my city there are no dealer for SP/DSG/Cramster.... in fact no decent motorcycle gear store.. :banghead:

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Then you should pay a visit to Delhi on a weekend ............ also SPG can be contacted for a door delivery, of course with some courier charges. In SPG you have an option to choose between the thermal and rain liner ........... If I were you I would choose a thermal one after being informed because the rain liners are of no use in heavy rains, they are just good for light showers. But again please call back to SPG if they can help you with a jacket+thermal liner in few weeks.

Zeus Helmet 806 dual visor
Komine JK - 055
AlpineStars Pants
Alpinestars Gloves
Fila Everest Shoes
Scoyco Knee Guards (Inside the pants)

I am just curious to know why would you need to have knee guards on when you already have a premium riding pant

[phat_17]

re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Then you should pay a visit to Delhi on a weekend ............ also SPG can be contacted for a door delivery, of course with some courier charges. In SPG you have an option to choose between the thermal and rain liner ........... If I were you I would choose a thermal one after being informed because the rain liners are of no use in heavy rains, they are just good for light showers. But again please call back to SPG if they can help you with a jacket+thermal liner in few weeks.





I am just curious to know why would you need to have knee guards on when you already have a premium riding pant

The pants is not the top notch.. its more like a normal pants with very few pads.. hence i still have pads inside it

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[chaosaddict]

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The pants is not the top notch.. its more like a normal pants with very few pads.. hence i still have pads inside it

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I was just curious and checked a bit here & there,,,, Is it the cargo pants by Alpinestar, the one Revzilla discontinued?

[Sunnyside_up!]

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I was looking at the Jacket available online and there is no option to add a thermal liner.. I checked SnapDeal too... no option for thermal liner there too...

In my city there are no dealer for SP/DSG/Cramster.... in fact no decent motorcycle gear store.. :banghead:

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SnapDeal and BikeGear.in are NOT authorised resellers of SPG products and purchase from these sites will NOT carry warranty, so beware. Make your online/offline purchases ONLY from authorised sources.

I'm on fix between Spartan Ares & Rjays Cobra II gloves... at 3.2k spartan feels lil overpriced whereas there are almost no reviews of Rjays Cobra II gloves... Have used DSG Primal & Vector gloves before... Don't want to go all the way up to 6.5k for A* SP2 gloves :-/

Also about jacket, its tie between Spartan Helios & Rjays Octane II or All seasons II... Does Rjays jackets come with KNOX level armour ?? Spartan being mesh jacket feels lil expensive at 7k + they don't include thermal liner too ...

For pants I have finalised Rjays all seasons II, they seem best bet ATM ...

Please suggest which one to go for amongst the options...

The ARES full gauntlet is ₹3.2k, vs the short gauntlet Cobra II at ₹4k or full gauntlet at ₹5k. And you feel the ARES is overpriced?

Also FYI - aramid mesh used in the HELIOS is more expensive than 600D Cordura. The HELIOS is about Rs.2000/- cheaper than the RJays despite having superior KNOX armour. The HELIOS has a separate rain jacket inside, while the Octane does not have a thermal liner either. I don't understand your comparisons.

Incidentally, RJays is a local Australian brand whose apparel is made in Pakistan. That makes them as Australian as you and I.

[mayank.travadi]

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Also FYI - aramid mesh used in the HELIOS is more expensive than 600D Cordura. The HELIOS is about Rs.2000/- cheaper than the RJays despite having superior KNOX armour. The HELIOS has a separate rain jacket inside, while the Octane does not have a thermal liner either. I don't understand your comparisons.

[MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION]
Ummm i have a simple (may be noob) query then.

what advantages does aramid mesh provide over 600d cordura, former being costlier?

Is aramid mesh more abrassion and tear resistant than 600d cordura

or being mesh provides increases airflow and significantly lower protection?

[xpranav]

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The pants is not the top notch.. its more like a normal pants with very few pads.. hence i still have pads inside it

r us sure if they are genuine ?

[Sunnyside_up!]

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@Sunnyside_up!
Ummm i have a simple (may be noob) query then.

what advantages does aramid mesh provide over 600d cordura, former being costlier?

Is aramid mesh more abrassion and tear resistant than 600d cordura

or being mesh provides increases airflow and significantly lower protection?

600D Cordura definitely provides better abrasion resistance than mesh - that is not under debate at all. I was trying to point out that the mesh fabric is more expensive because it has to be specifically woven for this particular use, and hence your feeling that a mesh jacket should be cheaper was incorrect.

More expensive material does not mean better protection in this case. It's just more expensive to make than regular fabric.

Your confusion seemed to be between two similarly specced jackets - both are Mesh + Cordura models, yet you seem to have felt that the one that was ₹2k cheaper was pricey, hence my comment.

[abhifusion]

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SnapDeal and BikeGear.in are NOT authorised resellers of SPG products and purchase from these sites will NOT carry warranty, so beware. Make your online/offline purchases ONLY from authorised sources.


The ARES full gauntlet is ₹3.2k, vs the short gauntlet Cobra II at ₹4k or full gauntlet at ₹5k. And you feel the ARES is overpriced?

Also FYI - aramid mesh used in the HELIOS is more expensive than 600D Cordura. The HELIOS is about Rs.2000/- cheaper than the RJays despite having superior KNOX armour. The HELIOS has a separate rain jacket inside, while the Octane does not have a thermal liner either. I don't understand your comparisons.

Incidentally, RJays is a local Australian brand whose apparel is made in Pakistan. That makes them as Australian as you and I.

My comparisons are based on Rjays being an international brand whereas SPG being Indian ... With SPG local retailers adding 4% tax/vat/lbt/whatever over the Prices mentioned on website, Ares cost 3430 Rs & Helios 7070 Rs... Are you related with SPG by any chance ?? Most of your posts are related to Spartan gear and both of you are located in same city i.e Chennai... If you are close to them, I have few suggestions/queries:

#Why Helios: Green isn't available in XXL size ?
#Pant's fit & finish could be better, checked it at Probiker,Pune.
#Jackets could be more appealing, for now they look a bit bland.
#There is no sizing chart for any of the gear; I wear XL size, but Helios XL was a bit small for me. Would I had been ordered it online, I would have gone with XL size.

This being said, will mostly go with Helios & Ares... They seem to offer good value ATM ...

[RoboRider]

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I am exploring to buy a decent helmet & Jacket to go with my Duke 390, need some advise from you all. My requirement is for long rides outside the city and rain proof.
- from the above thread thought of Spartan Helios but got confused with Spartan Icarus. What is the difference between Spartan Helios & Spartan Icarus jackets, apart from the Knox armour in Helios
- Any suggestions on Zeus All Terrain Jackets? I don't see many riders suggesting that but I liked the integrated camel pack in Zeus.

Helmet, I had decided on SOL SL48 Hornet Orange, looking at online pictures but I understand SL48 Hornets are not available anymore. So might just buy an LS2 for time being and wait for an opportune time to buy something better.

[abhifusion]

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Komine JK - 055

Would love to hear more about it dude. For how much you got it ?? Type of armour used ?? Rain/thermal liner present ??

[Sunnyside_up!]

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My comparisons are based on Rjays being an international brand whereas SPG being Indian ... With SPG local retailers adding 4% tax/vat/lbt/whatever over the Prices mentioned on website, Ares cost 3430 Rs & Helios 7070 Rs... Are you related with SPG by any chance ?? Most of your posts are related to Spartan gear and both of you are located in same city i.e Chennai... If you are close to them, I have few suggestions/queries:

#Why Helios: Green isn't available in XXL size ?
#Pant's fit & finish could be better, checked it at Probiker,Pune.
#Jackets could be more appealing, for now they look a bit bland.
#There is no sizing chart for any of the gear; I wear XL size, but Helios XL was a bit small for me. Would I had been ordered it online, I would have gone with XL size.

This being said, will mostly go with Helios & Ares... They seem to offer good value ATM ...

Again, read my last line about how "international" it is! Btw, SPG products are now sold in Sri Lanka and soon in Malaysia too! Does that make it an "international" brand? LOL!

As one of the founders, I currently look look after the company's operations as sitting CEO but don't read anything more into that - the chair is on rotation ! My particular area of responsibility however is product design and development.

Pune and parts of MH has the problem of LBT, yes - petition your government!

1. Only black is offered in XXL and XXXL for inventory management purposes.
2. Any specific complaints?
3. Individual perception. Market research seems to indicate otherwise.
4. Read the FAQs on the website about sizing exchange. Sizing in any case is best done personally.

[B7ACKTHORN]

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out Rs.2000/- cheaper than the RJays despite having superior KNOX armour. The HELIOS has a separate rain jacket inside, while the Octane does not have a thermal liner either. I don't understand your comparisons.

Incidentally, RJays is a local Australian brand whose apparel is made in Pakistan. That makes them as Australian as you and I.

The good part is Pakistan has been a country well known for good leather, and apparently that has become its bane too, reason being oblivious. There are lots and lots of sweatshops in Pakistan that make leather stuff at dirt cheap prices. The Alpinestars suit you see might have its roots to a bovine grazing grass at a hilltop in Pakistan. Now I absolutely reckon Sunny's point on Made in Pakistan, but I think it's a little condescending or an understatement by just simply implying "Made in Pakistan" on a particular brand. And one just example is Fieldsheer. Their suits are real good, and stuff is sourced from Pak too. I just want to get the points clear for everybody.

You know some of the sources for your very apparel are indeed someway or the other sourced from China or it has Chinese roots to it -- there's no way denying it. Just because a particular brand embelishes a Made in Pakistan doesn't make the A* boot selling at 13k selling as Made in Vietnam makes a good proposition does it? And I've known people who've chucked them just because it was Vietnamese made. Same labor, same old sweat shops and cheap manufacturing costs.

Of course, being the founder one would want their establishment to be forseen at the top, but as I always say the DEVIL is the details.

Just curious, why haven't you guys embellished a MI tag in your products especially gloves?

And for those who are worrying about the nylon tear cycles, any fiber is a nylon and nylon is synthetic which means it's gonna melt, and is gonna melt when it kisses the tarmac, unless it's a real low speed fall/slide, any more you're gonna get a rip or shred it in pieces for sure. The best one can get is a kevlar blended one, which resists abrasion and tear very well, but that costs a bomb. 600D 500D 1080D 1060D doesn't matter, all shred, all melt, the point is how quick. But eventually they will.

Cheers!
VJ

[Sunnyside_up!]

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The good part is Pakistan has been a country well known for good leather, and apparently that has become its bane too, reason being oblivious. There are lots and lots of sweatshops in Pakistan that make leather stuff at dirt cheap prices. The Alpinestars suit you see might have its roots to a bovine grazing grass at a hilltop in Pakistan. Now I absolutely reckon Sunny's point on Made in Pakistan, but I think it's a little condescending or an understatement by just simply implying "Made in Pakistan" on a particular brand. And one just example is Fieldsheer. Their suits are real good, and stuff is sourced from Pak too. I just want to get the points clear for everybody.

~

And for those who are worrying about the nylon tear cycles, any fiber is a nylon and nylon is synthetic which means it's gonna melt, and is gonna melt when it kisses the tarmac, unless it's a real low speed fall/slide, any more you're gonna get a rip or shred it in pieces for sure. The best one can get is a kevlar blended one, which resists abrasion and tear very well, but that costs a bomb. 600D 500D 1080D 1060D doesn't matter, all shred, all melt, the point is how quick. But eventually they will.

Cheers!
VJ

Vijay - I think you misunderstood. My comment was not condescending in any way at all. The country of origin being Pakistan in no way makes the product inferior and indeed as you pointed out, some of the best motorcycle apparel products are made in our next door neighbour. My comment was to highlight that the particular brand in question is nothing more than a marketing brand headquartered in Australia, with nothing under its brand label being manufactured by its own factories in its own country - much like any of the Indian companies including SPG, who don't make anything in house either but instead outsource from abroad. FieldSheer, FirstGear, Fly Racing, ICON, Joe rocket, etc., are all also the same.

Ultimately the consumer products of even AStars and Dainese are outsourced to third world factories, and many of the big factories actually make products for competing international labels, so the point I was trying to make is exactly the same as yours. Since we as bikers are anyway purchasing products that are made by sometimes the same factories, the only real differentiation is in the details. A close study of the products specifications, manufacturing process and warranties are what we should be looking at when we make a purchase, rather than be swayed by a particular label. The devil as you said is INDEED in the details!

Yesterday, I received a PM from somebody rubbishing a DSG Revive glove because it had failed within hours of purchase and wanting to know about an SPG product as a replacement, to which I responded that he was over-reacting and advised him as much. IMO the glove in question is a genuinely well made product and did not deserve the lambasting that it took, just because one particular piece was faulty. The same type of public witch-hunt happened a few weeks prior to that with a pair of Rynox Kombat gloves too, which was an unjustified attack IMO on a good product. The problem with online media is that very often, remarks and comments are posted that do not reflect the complete or accurate picture and more often than not very unqualified comments fuel fires that are completely unjustified, leading to products being run down that did not deserve to be.

Rather than follow the horde blindly, my advice to bikers is to always make your own study and analysis about what gear suits you best personally by weighing the product purely on its merits by specification, function and performance against the money that you are willing to pay. Once you have fixed a budget for a product, the best way to shop is to compare the products logically and scientifically, with tangible and precise information instead of hearsay or "brand". IMO choice of product based on brand should ONLY be done if you have already done your own analysis and have come up with multiple choices from different brands within the same budget. Then and ONLY then, would I make a choice based on "brand".