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  • #166
    I think apache 180 was launched in 2009..
    I am also in a confusion which bike i should buy..
    Which bike's engine is more robust?I have seen many karizma owners selling their bikes.Don't know why..Is Spares parts an issue or any other issues?

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    • #167
      Originally posted by babaa View Post
      I think apache 180 was launched in 2009..
      I am also in a confusion which bike i should buy..
      Which bike's engine is more robust?I have seen many karizma owners selling their bikes.Don't know why..Is Spares parts an issue or any other issues?
      Guess we have discussed extensively on the questions you have posted above. Not sure if the earlier posts had made any sense to you.

      In my opinion both A180 and ZMA are good in their own league. You cannot expect to cross match both as they are meant for respective purpose.

      If you can maintain your bike with care, no matter which one you own, will give you it's best performance.

      One should not be taking more than a reasonable time to decide, after discussing almost all possible angles of purchase, performance, spares, service etc.
      RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

      2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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      • #168
        I know both the bikes have great performance,wanted to know about spare is easily available or not.

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        • #169
          Originally posted by babaa View Post
          I know both the bikes have great performance,wanted to know about spare is easily available or not.
          Spare availability changes from city to city. U should check that out with local showrooms or you friends.

          ZMA/ZMR spares are hard to find thats what I hear from fella riders in my region. About the RTR's, I've been trying to get its RVM's but over 2 months have passed but they still haven't arrived at local service center.

          So best would be to do some research with local rider/mechanics.
          Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.

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          • #170
            Originally posted by babaa View Post
            I know both the bikes have great performance,wanted to know about spare is easily available or not.
            I would suggest you to go for Bajaj Pulsar. No dearth of spares and comes cheap too. Forget A180/ZMA.
            RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

            2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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            • #171
              Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
              I would suggest you to go for Bajaj Pulsar. No dearth of spares and comes cheap too. Forget A180/ZMA.

              That's a very common bike
              Don't Honk Unnecessarily

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              • #172
                Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                That's a very common bike
                Just giving him an alternate thoughts to a confused guy. Only people with clear mindset can decide. First of all, one should have some idea about the bike and purpose of buying it. In India, there is only one thought process.. 'ONE SOLUTION FOR ALL PROBLEMS'. You name it, without have a thought about other than primary purpose, hardly people go for it. Correct?

                There can be only one mindset when it comes to purchase, will that serve my primary purpose? No, people don't want that, people want, race bike, super flashy design, with greater fuel efficiency and at the lowest price.

                Either we get adapt to this world with what is being offered, console yourself or make your own machine. It's not always we being given best of all the worlds in a single bike. Let's understand that before we could go one argue and contemplating which bike to choose A180/ZMA !

                @Babaa and Krish1417 :- Do a self study with the relavant points that has come out from our fellow xbhphians and take a decision. The purpose of this thread has been clearly charted out with various inputs to analyse and decide if one should buy A180/ZMA.
                RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                • #173
                  DO new lot of apache 180 still have vibrations or is it
                  being reduced to an extent?

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                  • #174
                    Originally posted by Krish1417 View Post
                    Hi guys,i will be riding mostly in city and once in a while or week on highways(about 50 kms or so)..Which one would be better?I don't want to visit service centres frequently.Will A180 need frequent visit to SS even if i ride in city cause i have heard problem of One way clutch going kaput,..Please let me know guys.!!
                    Apache 180 would be ideal for you. The less weight, slightly lesser wheelbase, good chassis, etc. should be fun in the city.

                    Both bikes post roughly equal top speeds. So highway rides should not be a problem either.

                    Karizma is not recommended for the city due to more weight, bigger wheelbase & turning radius, irregular gear ratios (3 close, 2 far), low mileage, etc.
                    Although, its comfortable enough, but why bother when you got better machines?

                    You can get close to 35-37 on the RTR. On Karizma, the same mileage would require higher gear riding, which means you'll have to do 45+ most of the time if not all.
                    Karizma is not meant for the rush hour, even if it can fare well. Trust me, I tried it many times..


                    And as for the Service Centre visits, you can visit it once in 3 months for service. Both the bikes shouldn't give much problem otherwise.
                    Last edited by Samarth 619; 04-05-2011, 01:39 AM.
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                    • #175
                      Originally posted by Krish1417 View Post
                      Hi guys,i will be riding mostly in city and once in a while or week on highways(about 50 kms or so)..Which one would be better?I don't want to visit service centres frequently.Will A180 need frequent visit to SS even if i ride in city cause i have heard problem of One way clutch going kaput,..Please let me know guys.!!
                      You will have to make up your mind as to what you want in your bike. Sit down and write in a piece of paper your priorities...Then start searching by going through the different threads in XBHP.....Every bike has its niggles and compromises,and you have to learn to live with them. Your Answer is in front of your eyes.
                      Let the choice and decision be yours.
                      When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                      • #176
                        Originally posted by babaa View Post
                        DO new lot of apache 180 still have vibrations or is it
                        being reduced to an extent?
                        The bike still vibrates....it's Character of RTR series
                        Don't Honk Unnecessarily

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                        • #177
                          Originally posted by babaa View Post
                          DO new lot of apache 180 still have vibrations or is it
                          being reduced to an extent?
                          In RTR 180, the vibrations are clearly lesser than RTR 160...

                          Having said that, yes, between 4-7 krpm, RTR 180 vibrates a lot. Under 4000, its very comfortable. That means you can do 45-55 kmph in 5th cog before the vibes start.
                          Last edited by Samarth 619; 04-06-2011, 04:28 AM.
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                          Brotherhood, Rules, Freedom. Xbhp.
                          Indian riding = Alertness, Anticipation and Adjustment.

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                          • #178
                            although both bikes offer Similar performance at similar price ...they are quite different in overall feel---

                            Pros of Karizma--

                            `Better looks, big bike feel
                            `Very refined engine at any speed
                            `Amazing Suspension performance
                            `Good looking console
                            `one of the best Highway cruiser in India

                            Pros of A180

                            `Best Exhaust note
                            `Better Braking(rear disc)
                            `Better for crowded city riding
                            `Slightly Cheaper then Karizma
                            Last edited by Satyamzma; 04-06-2011, 11:02 AM.
                            Don't Honk Unnecessarily

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                            • #179
                              Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                              although both bikes offer Similar performance at similar price ...they are quite different in overall feel---

                              Pros of Karizma--

                              `Better looks, big bike feel
                              `Very refined engine at any speed
                              `Amazing Suspension performance
                              `Good looking console
                              `one of the best Highway cruiser in India

                              Pros of A180

                              `Best Exhaust note
                              `Better Braking(rear disc)
                              `Better for crowded city riding
                              `Slightly Cheaper then Karizma
                              Apache is best for city and you can zig zag through traffics easily..
                              What engine oil is best for both A180 and ZMA?

                              EDIT:Why don't Hero honda do not provide spare parts for
                              their premium bikes such as ZMA and ZMR?I am very disappointed.
                              Because of this they are losing customers,they are going for P220 and R15.
                              They really need to do something,imagine what will happen after 2014 when the JV ends..
                              @krish-Do consider the above points while choosing!
                              Last edited by babaa; 04-06-2011, 11:53 PM.

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                              • #180
                                Originally posted by babaa View Post
                                Apache is best for city and you can zig zag through traffics easily..
                                What engine oil is best for both A180 and ZMA?

                                EDIT:Why don't Hero honda do not provide spare parts for
                                their premium bikes such as ZMA and ZMR?I am very disappointed.
                                Because of this they are losing customers,they are going for P220 and R15.
                                They really need to do something,imagine what will happen after 2014 when the JV ends..
                                @krish-Do consider the above points while choosing!
                                To answer your question on Engine Oil. Motul is considered to be the best.
                                However, it also depends on the owner of the bike as to what he's got in his mind. Motul, Catrol, AGIP, Shell to name few.

                                Spares for ZMA-R/ZMR - We are in India, so get used to such things as "that part is not available sir". Either move on to another bike or find some alternate compatible parts. I have seen some struggle to get spares for my RX, so searching for spares is something I'm have prior experience.

                                I don't think any good bikes in India had low running for demand. If performance speaks for the bike, there will be people going for the bike. Take RX in India. Still crazy among the avid buyers in the 2t market inspite of major players have stopped manufacturing.

                                JV split - that's really sad thing to happen for ZMA and it's owners. Need to watch Hero's plan in the similar segment.
                                RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                                2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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