Yes very true!! That till now we have heard on those three vehicles only, But my friend my question is Why will Honda allow Hero to use it's tech for other bikes?? Isn't this a loss to Honda?? Honda's bikes are sold at little higher price then Hero product, simple example is CBZ/hunk Vs Unicorn.

So why will Honda allow?? Still many people buy ZMR over CBR 250 just becuase of cost.
Don't you think those days are over??? do see any useless engine or product by Bajaj in last 2 yrs?? Do you still see P150/180/ p220 or any 100cc bike going to SVC for small small niggles as engine issue or manufacturing defects??

Bajaj has changed alot in past few years!! Maintenance part is very negligible bro....you will find hell out of people out there who don't have a single issue with P150 or P180...P220 etc....
And Spare part cost and maintenance are not different. And now Bajaj is a better competitor to Hero any given day!!
I guess you ride eyes closed on road!!!...lol...

If you please open your eyes apart from seeing Hero only then you will see in all 10 bikes there are 4-5 bikes of bajaj only and rest are mixture of Hero/Yamaha/Honda...etc

I am neither a fan of Bajaj nor Hero. I am talking on practical scenarios rather than one person speaking....

Check out on road which comapnies bikes are seen more ??? you will get the answer for your questions.

How many CBZ X or Hunk you see compare to P150??
How many splendour or Passion you see compare to Discover 100 or Platina??

This are real figures bro....And you know one thing very well neither you nor me will get any thing if any hero's product is sold or any Bajaj's product is sold.

Arguming on best comapny here will lead to death but no result!!

Now it's on you friend!! If Hero is good as per you no issues, if it is not then too i am Kool!!

I knew you must have been very much aware of the functioning but IMO both processes are very different to each other in functioning so you have to name it accordingly as well..
as in oil cooling..a cooler is placed just to cool the engine oil,that oil itself isn't cooling the Engine like a coolant but but in Liquid cooling,a liquid(be it any Liquid) cools the entire Engine..so they have to have a separate name..

I guess you messed with the requirement,

Both lines are from two different threads...

Now Still i would say why do we need a ZMR 223cc in city ?? where as any 150cc or 125 cc will serve it best!!

If you are a tourer kind of person and want a ride which will be used in daily activity with some serious touring i.e some 400-550+ kms one side then it's best to have a single bike, right??? Here comes ZMR into picture.
But if you want only a city bike without any touring, for touring you have a car then why a ZMR??

In that thread TS wanted to buy a 3+L bike for his only city needs..

So you should see the requirement before posting it here as a off topic right??

There would be many people suggesting a Ninja 250 for daily ride in city, when a TS ask than i am capable of buygin a Ninja +GT650 for city.
ut my point would be why a such expensive bike for city daily ride?? occasioanl is something a person would love!! but not daily!!

replies are in bold..

Yes both are from 2 different threads , but its really interesting that the same person suggesting don't have his point stable , in one he suggest same bike good for city , in other he says not

I have different bikes which i mostly used for city riding / driving in which 1 is ZMR & i am happy how it handles in traffic .

How a car came in picture in what BIKE section on biking forum ?

Yes i see the requirements but i am not the person who even without owning or even without riding post useless suggestions . Found most guys doing it regularly as an expert with wrong informations .

PS : I am not getting anything from any manufacturer . Which i doubt about some guys due to their post in various threads & rumors they spreadings .
I just came to know how 2 different saying for same bike by same person in 2 different threads .

Good you see Hero is still conquering the market, you see Hero through your Hero eyes!!

No matter !! Truth is something that you and i both know it every well.

AFA your friend's bike is concern, it will surely be a part of Bajaj but you know something, infact you will see more people out there you don't have a single issues with Bajaj's product.

My complex is also filled be Bajaj/Honda/Hero and very few Yamaha.

So i know what issues they have been going through...i keep asking them the reviews so that i can pen it here!! along with my office riders!!


Yep True, my well is this India as well as on shores!! and i see Honda mostly every where and in india i see Bajaj on roads!! Because i see bikes not comapnies!!

I do not know why you people start bickering over people's queries on what bike they should buy. Mods should put an end to it. Everyone has their own opinions. Give your end of opinions and be satisfied rather than making a stand for your brand. All that is purely personal. This is a professional forum. Keep that in mind!!

Now to the thread starter :
1.Royal Enfield bikes need a lot of control. They are an amazing gift to the touring world. But my opinion? They are not rider+pillion vehicles. Very hard to control because of weight. Having a pillion will not help that either. This is my personal experience on an RE classic 500.
2.Hero ZMA-R and ZMR : the best bikes from an indian manufacturer for touring. Yes, a little outdated. But nevertheless the best tourers. I personally feel the ZMA is a better tourer. The ZMR comes with an FI and the full fairing(which i feel is a waste). Big negative: reliability of hero and the availability of spares.
3.CBR 250R/150R: The 250R is the best tourer in class for Indian roads. Its also a decent city bike. FE isn't all that bad. Comfort is top notch. Its a premium vehicle; put all concerns about quality to rest. The engine is butter smooth. The ride is excellent. Downside: I don't think its worth what you pay for. The 150R is on equal footing. But not premium. Not worth the money either. Poor switch gear. Lack of an engine kill switch and pass light switch is disappointing. Comfort is again top notch. But quality concerns are understandable.
4.Pulsar 200NS: Not a tourer. Period. Can be used as one. But that doesn't make it one.
5.Pulsar 220F: It is not a street fighter. It is fast, comfortable and powerful. Can double up as a city bike if you maintain her and treat her with love. Not born for touring. Given. But it'll give many tour specific bikes a run for their money.
6.Apache RTR 180 ABS: I too feel its underestimated. The vibes are hyped too much. To some people, the riding posture can be an issue. But talk to your SVC and get that changed as per your requirements. The beast comes with adjustable foot pegs for the rider. The clip-ons are meant for adjustment. Easily maintains 90-110kph. Biggest plus: ABS. Biggest minus: engine capacity(as opposed to the above listed bikes ONLY).

My suggestion? Test drive all vehicles. Don't just go there and ride them once. See if it fits your need. Then buy. You buy the vehicle, not the people who advice you.

Still you are not into requirement!! when you don't want to do a touring then why should a person buy a 200+cc bike ??? Isn't this called as itching money?? if it's a dream then the things are different.
Great you are King keeping two bikes, one for something and ZMR for something. But don't you think if you think sensibly then one bike can serve you well. City as well as Touring if you do alot?? i.e ZMR and it's perfect here +P220 is good here too.
That person had a car for touring!!
don't worry in few years boats and planes too would come here!!

You don't see the requiremnts that waht makes you write such things!! you own a ZMR and so you are pointing to it, But i have ridden it too for many tours Mumbai pune many times alibaug.... I have a range of friends having HD to Boxer....so riding is always done...
To suggest you don't need to own it, but you need to be sensible for people's choice...

I won't get a single penny if any product is sold or not. But i will help the TS to take a wise decision.

Every bike has it's own basic requirement. I could have suggested him CL350, but he din't mentioned that any urge to buy a RE, and RE is somwthing people buy with it's own cons!!

Bro i understand your concern. People are experienced in every company.. Let them do the thinking and the math.. The statement in bold: hero is clever enough to have thought about what would happen to their honda-tech bikes after the break-up. Why do you think they signed up with erik buel and all? By the time honda stops supplying their techs, hero would have sourced out an even better fi system from their partners!! Just they would swap the old system with the new.. Remember.. If splitting up of honda would make hero to take actions which you are mentioning then honda would have BOUGHT hero!! hero is not so damn dependant you see... Even in their dreams they would not have thought about stopping bikes like karizma!!

And you mentioned bajaj has beaten hero in sales?? Bro this is a completely wrong statement.. They have won the best bike manufactutrer award for almost 6 yrs in a row!! They have got titles for the max sales for many many years!! When you say open your eyes, then i would suggest you to open them even wider!! Agreed pulsar made bajaj a gr8 company.. But only pulsar.. You say platina is more on roads than splendour? Wow then you must be staying rite behind a bajaj showroom where they move the bikes (platina) for TDs and delivaries!! Hero excells in <150 performer bikes, Bajaj is nowhere close to them.. NOWHERE.. Bajaj has done a gr8 work on pulsar. specially the >150cc segment.. Mush better than hero. I accept.. But please stop misguiding people, claiming it has beaten hero in sales and hero would stop other models due to lack of honda tech, etc etc...

And i would suggest you to hold yourself back when someone asks your opinions or wen you comment about a bike which you do not know.. ZMR for eg.. You do not even know the kinda cooling it has and your misguiding people.. Coolong plays an important role while choosing a bike for touring.. Without knowing the cooling, how can you comment about the bike..

I never said anything about Bajaj's sales..yeah it is growing but still very far behind of what HMC has achieved..what i said that Bajaj bikes are not as reliable,even that doesn't means that they didn't improve..they did & now Bajaj bikes are more refined & reliable than its previous lot but what I am talking about is the comparison with its competitors like Yamaha/Honda/HMC..which have proven their reliability since decades..

thread starter must have understood the points we are talking about so lets leave it on him now & stop talking about these off topic things..

BOLD: ++1.. Totally agree with you. While suggesting a bike, people generally look at the comments of the people who made before them, and tend to give veiws on their comments which in any sense would not help the buyer..

Speaking of zmr and zma... Zma is a great tourer.. But just look at zmr once. Looks are a personal feeling so i will not bother talkin about it.. But the extra fairing IS NOT A WASTE!!! It gives it a higher stability at higher speeds... And it is more aerodynamic than the zma which helps a little bit atleast in mileage.. Speaking of which it is 45+!! Hero have just barely increased the power, but have doubled the mileage, comfort by adding GRS shocks, looks(according to me), stability, safety by adding the rear disc, etc which is required for touring..
Mentioned the points just so you know..
And thinking honda's split would leave karizma in the dark and not buying would be utter foolishness on his part..

Knowing it has a potential to turn ugly, I'm keeping them off to seek facts; why do you think 250R is not VFM? Which other international 250 cc segment is a contender (N250R & GT250R) a.k.a VFM? What in your opinion is the reason that doesn't make C250R isn't the worth the money being paid for? Pls help understand.

Look at the post by 'Dan_gp'.. You'll know for what zmr is meant for!!! And it will help you buy the correct bike... Riding a bike for 80kms in first gear for hrs together!! Is not a joke for the rider and also the ride... many things are mentioned so pls go through..

only one question have you ridden ZMR and Avenger both ??? for more than 500kms one side ??

now for cooling stuff: how much difference do you see when you ride a normal air cool bike for 200kms and oil cooled for the same.

This all terms are good if you know it else it's meaning less.

RE still runs on air cool and does non stop 500-600kms with small breaks if needed.
Then if cooling matters so much then RE or any air cooled bike should stop right??

Hero is good i din't say it's bad but that doesn't mean ZMR is the best to buy for a NEED.

You have gotten hyper again. This questions are not for ZMR or Not but it is TS wants to spend 1.2L and can extend to CBR with 50k.

But he wants easy 100kmph all day wit hhpillion comfort with 35kmpl-40kmpl. And more imp OCCASIONAL TOURING!!

When you have a need for occasional touring then why to spend 1.2 L?? when he can do that in <1L bike i.e Avenger ??

Hero's sales or Bajaj sales are numbers that are mentioned in figures but what about what we see on road!!

Even you are a ZMR owner so you are getting hyper!! Just think apart from that.

Here we are more interested in what should fit the TS not us??

in other sense, CBR 250 is anytime over and above ZMR in all sense, then should i suggest TS spend 1.7L and go for an occasioanl tour with CBR 250 ??

I own myself a R15 what you think i don't know thw difference between a oil cooled/liquid cool or air cooled?? and where they are used??

Liquid is more inportant for bigger engines than <400cc.
a better features are always welcome, but if you can get your work done in less then why not??


Actually this are all nonsense debates!!
i am out of this if you feel ZMR is excelelnt then enjoy and pay 1.3L for occasional tours!

Was shocked to read this!!! Until I read Dan's original post that says...


The BOLD part makes a huge difference in the funny English language

Almost none & even if it did, it hardly matters

In the interest of cooling down heated discussion - the engineers designing a motorcycle knows better; I once rode 740 Km with a single BFast break of 50 min (ofcourse fuel breaks) less than 12 hours on my Yamaha Rx; it seldom showed any difference the next day. It's aircooled, that's the same case with my CBR too.