I guess you badly need to drive a ZMR properly before coming to such conclusions...!




Riaz bhai now even you need to ride a 220 properly than...



Which Pulsar can CRUISE at 135+ kmph?

All in all, its only a matter of personal choices which decide a better bike here....!
While the ZMR has got almost everything set to be the most acclaimed bike here, it lacks appeal and the 'fun' factor the other two bikes boast...!
With the 220, its brute power and insane acceleration along with probably the best package. But after an ownership of 4 months, 5500 kms I feel it is the most moody bike I would come across. One day it runs like a Honda, the other day it would run like a Kinetic....
One time it would return a fuel efficiency figures of 26kmpl and the other time it would go all the way to 45+....
Anyways, once you learn to live with Bajaj's pathetic service, you would love this bike for sure....!
With the Yamaha, its an altogether a different case. You cant and should not think practicality here. Its just the best piece of engineered marvel and once you ride it, you would not want to ride anything else. But (in my personal opinion), it has got a below average low end torque which makes it a big pain to ride in congested traffic.

So, it all boils down to your own preferences....choose anyone, our level of engineering and competition has developed so much rest assured you wont be disappointed by any of them...

engineering marvel is highly appreciated if it can survive on Indian roads...a well maintaned 220 IMO is good in any mood...i have a dtsi and completed 10k kms in 4 months...and aside from minor niggles the bike can still be termed as "new"....rims which cant stand Indian roads are useless(fz16 and r15)...i owned fz16 for a year with 10000kms on it and believe me i now know all rim straightening shops in my city....highways which are quite unpredictable(a huge pothole may suddenly crop up) can be conquered either by high torque to escape the situation or good brakes or strong rims and less body parts....except the braking system,i find in no way r15 being able to survive on a highway...unless the highway is a 4 lane with absolutely no bumps,potholes etc...which in my opinion again,is rare case in India...

so i would suggest TS that if its highway bike he needs,then 220 is the only reasonable,logical product.

aside from 220,if its engine refinement or long life(idont know much about long life aspect cause i never used any bike beyond 10000kms...just parroting what others have said regarding this) go for zma or zmr if you want FI..

pls enlight a wee bit more
would appreciate it, thanks

lolz...whats there to enlighten......high torque is always good in sticky situations...well atleast for me till date..either for overtaking or escaping thru a situation before the situation arises or confronts etc etc....

Where is the person who posted the thread.?

@rahul9985: Agree with most of your statements, but you forgot to consider the speedo error which ZMR doesn't have. 135+ on a P220 is NEVER 135kmph true. How can it be when the topspeed of the Fi itself is less than 132kmph true?
ZMR will be good in highspeed cruising-its made for that only.

@satan69in: Don't jump to conclusions about the R15-it has been tested in Ladakh&Amit (bikerboy) has successfully taken his to Ladakh&back with not even a single niggle.
I have myself offroaded quite well (eg.Singur Dam roads)&even hit potholes at about 95 kmph&no bends/damages yet. Agreed the rims are not as heavy as 220's rims, but overall R15 is a much lighter vehicle too!

That said, I still suggest ZMR to the ThreadStarter. Where is he btw?

i dint say r15 is bad dude...i said on highways 220 is better...has an edge over r15 in terms of speed,torque,great rims,seating posture(for long rides),cheap spares(incase of highway accident),carb can be tuned by any mechanic,awesome lights for night touring,not shaky at high speeds,cheaper...only backdraws are engine refinement will be lost later and braking is not that good compared to r15(damn good brakes i must say) and last but not the least,the cornering of 220 and r15 is like comparing ambassador to audi...

Thanks for all the responses guys. I got hold of a ZMA-R yesterday, and did a decently long TD and the bike lacks the fun factor that i am expecting. So have to rule out the ZMR.

Between 220 and R15, after going through the entire discussion and analyzing my riding style and Bangalore roads(full of potholes), i am starting to get inclined towards 220. But, are the R15 rims that bad? cant they take an odd pothole hit at say 60-70 KMPH?

Also, to make it clear, i am not really that worried about the top-speed. rather, i would like to have a bike which cruise at a steady 100KMPH with more power avoid unexpected situations.

The rims are not as bad as non R15 users say they are. I have been using mine since 1.5 years with lots of touring, offroading&potholes too. No issues.
AFA cruising at 100kmph is concerned, it'll be butter smooth on this one, in fact it gives you great mileage at that speed too. I extracted 48kmpl when I was cruising between 80-110kmph on a few rides.

lol either you dont know about me, or you have been riding on the wrong roads

jokes apart, yes I agree R15s Rims are lighter, and arent made for taking a pothole at 100+ KMPH, but strangely I dont recollect ANY (and I repeat - ANY) RIM designed for it, be it the p220, the ZMA or anything else available OEM to us!
But I do agree that when I am riding and I see a 'balls-in-my-mouth' situation, I simply down gear and its history! so cant complain about the 'torque' bit!

IMO
Speed - R15
Torque - P220
Rims - Blah! To me, a lighter alloy is greater than a heavy chunk of metal! so Blah!
Seating Posture: purely personal feel!
Cheap Spares for routine: R15 - Lasts longer, check Santaas 25000KM report!
Cheap Spares for accident: P220! (am not sure if they are available everywhere as you claim)
Carb Tuning - P220 (actually no competetion, cause the R15 will NOT need any tuning, simply put its a 'out of the box tuned' FI chip!)
OEM Lights - P220 no two ways about it!
Stability - R15 (NO two ways about it, at ANY freaking speed)
Braking - R15 (NO two ways about it, at ANY freaking speed)
Cornering - You said it yourself!


I hope I could help you with some points there!

Just to add another perspective,
How about the re-sale value of both the bikes?

slightly OT: My 4.5 year old P150 fetched me 37K after clocking 45K KM's.

the R15 will have more resale value as far as i know...a well maintained bike with around 10k kms on the odo demands around 85-90k in blore.This is in vv puram...of course,bargaining may help to bring it down,but that's the price which was quoted by the dealer to me...

In our there wasnt. After that incident my wheel is still bent slightly. It has to be replaced!

In my trip to my hometown i was on FULL throttle FULLY crouched clocking speeds over 135 kmph on the speedo continuously for 230 kms non stop in a stretch twice. Also i hit the rev-limiter in the 5th gear on a downslope. I guess these speeds would be well over 125 kmph (this being the true top speed of zmr). In a few of my casual trials i had clocked a true speed of 131 kmph with speedo showing 137 kmph tested with Nokia N95 GPS. Bike was new that time. Another recent test true speed being 128 kmph with speedo showing 136 kmph tested with N82 GPS.

When even the very sophisticated Yamaha R1 will have minute error how can u expect the great zmr to not have any error!

Are these the figures from Bike India. What i have observed is that their figures are always biased towards HH and against Bajaj.

U said it the true top speed of FI is around 132 kmph which bajaj claims to be 135 kmph. Still this is higher than the true top speed of zmr. There are fine examples of many bikes which can clock higher speeds.

PS- I have had a zma 225 Premium sports. That thing never clocked more than 120 kmph on the speedo (It also has error) in 2 years of ownership.
Ps- Iam not a pulsar supporter. I support any better bike. From the whole list i like the R15.



I dont wish to drag this.
Cruise- Moving around leisurely. This is very subjective and varies from person to person. U may cruise at 100 kmph. I cruise at over 125 kmph. This is my cruising speed. When a P220 dtsi can clock about 140 kmph true speeds then yes it can cruise at 135 kmph.

Pardon me for dragging this some more.
I can agree on the "subjective" part of your comment. However doing 135 on a bike that max at 140 is not cruising, thats churning all its guts out.

As to the "subjective" part, a Hayabusa doing 135 would be lazily cruising.

OK!

May be my experience with ZMA was better at high speeds.

I too have owned a R15 for solid 15000kms and done nice long tours on it too. Also had chance to ride with ZMAs and P220s. R15 does pretty well (relaxed, refined and stable at speed spost 120kmph) at more speeds ...no arguing on that.

True, I have experience only with 220Fi...Satish dint allowed me to rip his 220 Carb.

Test riding.

Overall: what does crusing mean?