No medium tourer/high speed tourer.....its a Comfortable tourer!

+1 to that!


Lolz....how much have you clocked now?


Everything is ture, But i feel 220 is more stable than the R15 at any speed. But R15 give more confidence than the 220 anytime

Oye uncle.....U rode my 220 when it was in runin, after that whenever we met, i was either on my RTR or my CBR100RR

Am waiting to get my 220 back from its 3rd service, lets rape it together

Well, this is what I found in WordWeb dictionary. take your pick.
1. Drive around aimlessly but ostentatiously and at leisure
2. Travel at a moderate speed; of vessels or airplanes
3. Look for a sexual partner in a public place
4. Go on a cruise

On a serious note. Cruising would mean to travel at moderate speed at leisure. On a car/bike context, the capability of the vehicle also has to be taken in consideration to find where its cruising characteristic lies.
Example: some vehicles feels as though its going to break apart at 100kmph, while others can be doing 150kmph without a hint of speed.

In that case I would say R15 can comfortably cruise between 85-110kmph, about 80% of the engine potential. Beyond that anything would mean strain on the engine, which we don't notice, but the FE figures tell us!
For that matter all 3 can cruise comfortably in this zone.

@rahul9985: When you ride a Ninja at 120-130kmph, you would realize that R15/P220 DO NOT cruise at that speed!

So, its 5-3 to R15. I guess this sums it up.

I get the sense that R15 is better than 220( atleast for my kind of usage) from the above discussion(s). please correct me if am wrong, and more data points would mean, i would head to the showroom with more uncluttered mind.

Sorry for the OT, but dude, its your mainly problems with 220 that are making me think against the bike

I disagree, at 85-110 I am still left with two gears to go Isnt that relaxed riding?


Enough for them to say I cant claim warranty despite it being less than an year old!

lol dont listen to him, all his bikes had problems :P except for his CBR100RR

.. another Pulsar Vs Karizma Vs R15 thread....

Ok, Thanks for it. Me asking that question was in different context.

LOL!!! True.

Of all the biking forums that I've read...Usually the bikers on 1000cc say that they cruise at 120-130kmph...So I relatively mean that Engine is not under stress but on verge of stress, still has some thing to extract from it....and does not shout out its lungs. And as per my knowledge...Nor P220/ZMA or R15 can cruise at speeds above 120kmph.


@Satish
I was just kidding... you know that.


@SNAPPY
You have plenty of information on xBHP about R15 and P220, right from their owner ship experience to cost of clutch lever. This must be helpfull to you to make a good decision...But after a TD on both. happy biking.

frget crusin at 120ks..
jus imagine hw dangerous it can be 2 do those speeds on a zma...zz

b4 buyin my 220 evn i felt dat 220 will gimme everyin more or less dat a zma or a r15 can deliver..
but after buyin i felt dat i cud have comprimised dat extra speed for better braking and handling(r15)..
the smaller problems like vibes/brakes n stuff like dat can easily be solved..
dats what the free services are for..

well maybe i havent been to all the places you have been but i know only the pure simple aspects of the situations i or my friends have been...the same pothole on the same road taken by a 220 and r15 have left the rear rim of r15 in a bad shape..and you cant down gear at every "balls in my mouth situation"...you sometimes have to go through with it..question is,if your ride survives such an incident..

IMO
Speed - 220
Torque - P220
Rims - i am truly fed up with lighter rims where it cant take on the roads
Seating Posture: purely personal feel!
Cheap Spares for routine: in an event of an accident,lasting longer doesnt arise...an accident on a 220 or an r15 cracks up everything...its the cost of spares am telling ..
Cheap Spares for accident: P220..bajaj email works very well...shoot a complaint and get it in a week max..again personal experience..
Carb Tuning - P220 .again i have said in an event of a break down...
OEM Lights - P220
Stability - 220...as i or many of my colleagues said,at higher speeds r15 wobbles when there are crosswinds....
Braking - R15 wins hands down
Cornering-r15 wins again


i do not wish to drag this thread to a brand war...i have merely stated what was obvious and my own personal experiences...you may be having different scenarios where r15 comes out in flying colours...anyways both are of different segments...r15 is a track tool and 220 is a street com touring bike...i however like zma for its non tiring long distance running engine for touring but its top speed is something which i dont desire...

Peace

post this i sincerely hope R15 owners(those posting here, myself, satyen & saravjit) will sell their motorcycles and buy P-220,
i am the first in the queue,

lolz...i meant to say at high speeds in full crosswinds...so sorry for misinterpreting...my bad

To keep yourself on the ground is the basic step one must learn after owning any x,y,z bike.....!


Would just like to say, No Indian single cylinder bike can CRUISE at anything above 120kmph......

What we call CRUISING at anything above is called as ripping the engine of breath and feel proud about it....!

and I repeat once again, extracting 95% of the engine is not cruising....!


Having said this, due to the very nature of the whole setup ie gearing, power and torque, 220 is the most relaxed cruiser here....!(for non believing posters, you must ride one also someday.. )
Just that 220 would be the last bike I would choose because of its ROCK HARD butt cracking seat and segment worst knee recess....!

Stability: Well, apart from loose gravel, R15 all the way!

yup totally agree with you ...even if speedo says 120kmph it musst be 110 or 115 in reality...i can say cruise speed of 220 can be easily 110kmph....but regarding the seats and position of seating,its a matter of personal opinion...i did 612 kms in 7hours bangalore to hyderabad recently and still had the energy to take the bike for washing because i feared there might be a bandh the next day...so to me its a tourer ,to somebody its not....so cant say

You may feel the P220's engine is not stressed at 100 kmph, but it cant beat ZMA's engine in relaxation. The detuned long-stroke 223cc engine of ZMA is the most relaxed engine at high speeds and it has been proven.