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in comparison my brother, 'in comparison'......Originally posted by satan69in View Post
You probably spoke my heart out!Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
While cruising one has to consider speeds as well. For all the while I have been defending ZMR here from some people who have not ridden it till now!
But, while cruising, speed (at which a bike is capable of moving) is also a factor. You cant say Unicorns engine is more relaxed than a ZMA because it is butter smooth at cruising, can you...?
No because of the cruising speed difference...! Similarly it goes for 220 and ZMR (though the difference is not as huge, take the example only for reference)
A more apt way of saying the same statement is " ZMR is more relaxed than 220 at its cruising speed".......
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@DevilPulsarian, You have got it wrong. I considered 100 kmph the cruising speed. P220/Karizma are both in the same segment. Unicorn is altogether a different segment and I do not think a comparison is needed.
The engine of karizma is more relaxed at 100 kmph due to long stroke and detuning (you can say lazy when compared to P220), and of course the Honda engineering. The P220 may feel less stressed to one by ride, but in reality, the P220's engine will be more stressed than karizma's engine. (remember just in comparision, that said P220 is not stressed in general at 100 kmph)
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Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post@DevilPulsarian, You have got it wrong. I considered 100 kmph the cruising speed. P220/Karizma are both in the same segment. Unicorn is altogether a different segment and I do not think a comparison is needed.
The engine of karizma is more relaxed at 100 kmph due to long stroke and detuning (you can say lazy when compared to P220), and of course the Honda engineering. The P220 may feel less stressed to one by ride, but in reality, the P220's engine will be more stressed than karizma's engine. (remember just in comparision, that said P220 is not stressed in general at 100 kmph)
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Originally posted by zayn View Post
.. another Pulsar Vs Karizma Vs R15 thread....
hehe.. true..
so a 5-3 in favour of 220 here. which equals the scoresOriginally posted by satan69in View Post
i have been hearing a lot about low torque on the R15. But how bad is it, say compared to any other 150(for my reference my old P150) ??.Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View PostTo keep yourself on the ground is the basic step one must learn after owning any x,y,z bike.....!
Would just like to say, No Indian single cylinder bike can CRUISE at anything above 120kmph......
What we call CRUISING at anything above is called as ripping the engine of breath and feel proud about it....!
and I repeat once again, extracting 95% of the engine is not cruising....!
Having said this, due to the very nature of the whole setup ie gearing, power and torque, 220 is the most relaxed cruiser here....!(for non believing posters, you must ride one also someday..
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Just that 220 would be the last bike I would choose because of its ROCK HARD butt cracking seat and segment worst knee recess....!
Stability: Well, apart from loose gravel, R15 all the way!
I guess people say its low, coz they compare it to 220 or any other bigger bike.
I like this statement.Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View Postin comparison my brother, 'in comparison'......
A more apt way of saying the same statement is " ZMR is more relaxed than 220 at its cruising speed".......
Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View PostKoool bro....
The discussion has headed back to square one, and i infer that both P220 and R15 are comfortable cruisers.
I assume a proper TD (not the showroom wala TD, but a real long one), would help me clear atleast a few of my confusions.Comment
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Originally posted by snapppy View Posthehe.. true..
so a 5-3 in favour of 220 here. which equals the scores
i have been hearing a lot about low torque on the R15. But how bad is it, say compared to any other 150(for my reference my old P150) ??.
I guess people say its low, coz they compare it to 220 or any other bigger bike.
I like this statement.
The discussion has headed back to square one, and i infer that both P220 and R15 are comfortable cruisers.
I assume a proper TD (not the showroom wala TD, but a real long one), would help me clear atleast a few of my confusions.
have a TD and decide dude....keeping scores wont help...lolz....I RuLe Da HeAvEn, I RuLe Da heLL,I RuLe Da UnIvErSe, As HuMaNiTy FeLL
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ROFLMAO!Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post
Man, so are you saying crosswinds doesnt impact other bikes?Originally posted by satan69in View Postlolz...i meant to say at high speeds in full crosswinds...so sorry for misinterpreting...my bad
+1 on the crusiing bit!Originally posted by Devilpulsarian View PostTo keep yourself on the ground is the basic step one must learn after owning any x,y,z bike.....!
Would just like to say, No Indian single cylinder bike can CRUISE at anything above 120kmph......
What we call CRUISING at anything above is called as ripping the engine of breath and feel proud about it....!
and I repeat once again, extracting 95% of the engine is not cruising....!
Having said this, due to the very nature of the whole setup ie gearing, power and torque, 220 is the most relaxed cruiser here....!(for non believing posters, you must ride one also someday.. )
Just that 220 would be the last bike I would choose because of its ROCK HARD butt cracking seat and segment worst knee recess....!
Stability: Well, apart from loose gravel, R15 all the way!
+1 on the stability
+1 on the habit of people recommending the bike they ride too!
Which is why, despite riding a 'short' distance from Udaipur to Mumbai on my RTR I did NOT recommend RTR as a touring machine (though it suits me fine)Originally posted by satan69in View Post
+1 only on the long stroke bit, but then it doesnt make a lot of sense!Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post@DevilPulsarian, You have got it wrong. I considered 100 kmph the cruising speed. P220/Karizma are both in the same segment. Unicorn is altogether a different segment and I do not think a comparison is needed.
The engine of karizma is more relaxed at 100 kmph due to long stroke and detuning (you can say lazy when compared to P220), and of course the Honda engineering. The P220 may feel less stressed to one by ride, but in reality, the P220's engine will be more stressed than karizma's engine. (remember just in comparision, that said P220 is not stressed in general at 100 kmph)
1) If you are planning to ride/trut the R15 in traffic prone city, just forget about it! The bike comes alive and is almost 'uncatchable' (like in most SBKs) beyond 6000RPMOriginally posted by snapppy View Post
Take this with a pinch of salt, cause it comes from someone who rides a RTR and the R15 (and the occasional 200 and ZMA :P)
The torque spread of RTR is somewhat exact opposite of the R15, to sum it up I would say, If I ride my RTR the way I ride the R15, I would end up riding it on one wheel! Having said the R15 is pretty much relaxed under 6000RPM (not unrideable by Any chance though) beyond that its f** awesome
Most Pulsars (except the LS) have a similar torque spread, a lot of low end and mid range power, but no great top end power!
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^well said..
220..on paper seems 2 be a better buy..but u wont really enjoy it..u will get used to its power n torque very soon..but nvr get used 2 its handling..:P
i mean..u will still be very hesitant arnd the corners...unless u r drunk..:P
i have ridden zma..220..r15 n rtr(both of em)..n find rtr180 2 be the most exciting..
i own a 220..its a very good bike..but it doesnt excite u like a RTR..
evn the R15 can smtimes be very pissin off..jus like the 220..:P..
see..no matter what u buy u will want more..grass is always greener on the other side..
though most R15 owners wont openly admit abt it..
if u buy a R15..u will miss the low end/raw power of 220 n RTR..
if u buy 220..u will miss R15s handling n braking..
if u buy the RTR.. u will love ridin it..buy miss the big bike feel..Comment
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i read somewhere that short strokes engines are much more reliable than long strokes,and btw karizma is a long stroke and 220 is a short stroke one, and when comes to reliabilty factor zma is all the way
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I will just say R15 is a sports motorcycle,Originally posted by Samarth2536 View Post
the only thing i miss and got a Fazer is to carry stuff(read pillion), commuting on bad roads, amazing handling and braking are other +
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P-220 isn't a commuter but apt at it,
and i always say that even by slightest margin P-220 is a wee bit faster, though can't say the same about top end with confidence about any of the motorcycles,(rider weight, tail wind, oil viscoity, chain slackness)tons of things contribute to it and
in the end both ZMR, P-220, RTR 180(behind by fractions if you are cruising Gold Wing style) and YZF-R15 can easily cruise at good speeds in Indian conditions and what may suit to one, wouldn't be liked by other, so i presume the owners of R15, P-220, ZMA/R are all very satisfied bunch of people and recommending their motorcycles a test ride albeit a good and lenghty one shall clear the doubts, hope the bhpians in your city will be game for it
and if the game continues i agree to be at the tail end with the motorcycle i own and will allow you to pass me with acknowledgement
@vishnu--cannot comment much as Pulsars too have done many many kms with out a bother in the world, longer stroke would mean less stress and hence less problems, but i don't think you need to look much into it,Last edited by sheelpriye; 01-06-2010, 02:56 PM.Comment
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+1...perfectly sums upOriginally posted by Samarth2536 View Post
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Originally posted by Samarth2536 View Post
Wah Wah..!! Perfectly Put..!!
The Ninja 250R probably is the perfect bike as a highway tool and occassional trip around the town..
... but then it'll take sometime for many of us would be able to save enough for it.Comment
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Not sure about the RTR, but i have to agree on the other two in which case i would prefer the R15.Originally posted by Samarth2536 View Post
anyways,going for the TD of R15. would also TD the 220 over the weekend. I hope that would make things a lot more clear for me.Comment
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Just 1 thing i want to add....
There is no biker who has a R15/ZMR(orZMA-R)/220 who would complain about his bike not being as good as others...
Its just that they are 3 different entities and built differently.... its like comparing 3 girls one of which is HOT, other is Cute and the third one is Sexy..... No matter which one you choose, you will love it for the rest of your life for what it is.....
Go ahead with what your heart says..... and hit the roads asap and enjoy the riding on that awesome machine you buy.......
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