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Originally posted by pk28.karthik View Post
u said u have back problem. the ideal thing is not to ride but if u have no choice then may i suggest u the Honda unicorn. it has great ride good shock absorbers, upright riding position and good fuel economy , further u can always take it out for weekend rides and the biggest plus point is its very easy to ride, infact i learned to ride on my unicorn. a good 2nd hand unicorn ll cost u around 30-32 for self starter version.and please invest in a back protector available for around 1000 -2000 on cramster and dsg sites. that will keep your back in correct position while u are riding and prolong your riding years." if WRONG is a T-shirt ; then wearing it inside out doesn't make it RIGHT "Comment
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Originally posted by pk28.karthik View Post
sorry i didnt go through this post earlier. i hope i dnt sound cynical but from ur earlier post i gauged that
1) u have a back problem. which means u need a bike with good shocks and riding position which put least amount of stress on ur back.
2) u will be using it for learning. which means u need a bike which is easy to ride , 2nd hand, spares should be cheap and hassel free.
3) u want to use it for weekend rides and for city. which means it should have decent fuel economy and adequate power for highway riding.
please correct me if iam wrong.
now to your question on Rx.
1) the Rx shocks are primitive. u can feel every undulations. not at all suggested if u have a back problem.
2) Rx is cheap u ll get it for 5000 to 15000 bucks but its difficult to get a half decent Rx 100 now a days. so concentrate on getting a Rx 135 or Rx Z. 135 was discontinued in 2004 whereas RxZ was discontinued in 2001-02. expect to pay around 20000 for a decent Rx 135 or RXZ.(iam talking about the 5 speed ones). RxZ with 5 speed also comes with front disc. but as i said most of the Rx are either abused by their owners or had undergone performance modifications. so expect to shell out around 10000 more for better shocks and other service costs.that will put your initial cost to around 25 -30k .
3) fuel efficiancy - if u ride sanely expect around 35 kmpl. Rx are not good for long highway rides. they are back breakers. but definitely good for city rides. a 4 stroke bike will give u around 50kmpl. now suppose u travel 40km per day u need 417 litres of petrol ayear for the RX and 292 litres for a 4stroke bike. a difference of 125 litres. which means a saving of Rs 6257 over the Rx.
4)now my fren we ll do the maths. 25k for the initial cost of bike + fuel charges 20850.if u keep the bike for a year your total investment will be around 45850
now take the initial cost of 2nd hand 4 stroke. 30k + fuel charges 14600. total investment for a year 44600.and from 2nd year onwards a saving of 6257 per year on fuel charges
coming to my point - in the long run 4 stroke bike are cheaper than Rx. if u go for a 4 stroke 150 cc u will get better ride decent fuel efficiency and enough power to use it for long rides.
and if u ever happen to sell your bike a well maintained 4 stroke will easily get u 25k whereas a 2 stroke will get u around 15 to 20k.
BTW if you are intended in taking the RX go for the RxZ 5 speed one with disc brakes upfront, its difficult to get but its one hell of a bike and if iam not wrong it was introduced somewhere in 1998 -99 period. so u can get a decent one if u try really hard. as i already said it pumps out 14ps can easily smoke any 4 stroke 150 bike in india ( well R15 excluded)
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all this talk of 4 stroke - well it all depends on what you want at the end of the day.
4 stroke:
high mileage, usually less engine maintenance (given regular oil changes), decent resale value, not alot of performance can be juiced out of them over and above stock.
2 stroke:
lower mileage, engine needs rebuilds a *little* more frequently because of the lack of a dedicated lubrication system, lower resale value nowadays, more options to extract juice over and above stock performance.
one bike is not better than the other - it all depends on what your priorities are.
and who said the R15 is more powerful? that's not entirely true. in the city the bike has low power at low RPMs. it's gets into the power band much higher up the RPM range where you won't get to push it often enough in bangalore traffic.
as far as shocks go - i'm not much of an expert on the RX but someone will be able to chime in... there are upgrade options of other bikes.Comment
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Ha ha
He friends ... Going through the thread !!!( My view , not offend anyone . If anybody feel so . Advance apologies) Small doubt aren't we getting into a fight mood .
pour chap wants to buy a bike & he is in the learning stage . Lets all stop confusing him . I guess pk28.karthik already got lot of info to make a decision .
2 stroke against 4 stroke ,,, Thats not the topic anyway .sigpic
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Originally posted by silver_shadow View Post
cool down bro. plz read my post fully and then u ll understand that it was not about which bike is better 2 or 4stroke. i own a unicorn which is a commuter 4 stroke, RxZ 5 speed (14 bhp ) 2 stroke,and pulsar 220 (so called indian performance bike
). each has its own merits and demerits and i love all my bikes that's why iam keeping all three of them. my stock Rxz is fast but it can't beat the 220 in stock form and R 15 is one bike which can beat the 220 ofcourse if someone knows how to extract the best from the bike.
my simple question is - for a person who has back problem,wants decent fuel economy and who wants to go on occassional long weekend trips which bike would u suggest?
bro about the shockers ,i replaced the stock shockers of my RxZ with better ones but the ride is nowhere near the uni or the 220.i said all this because i own and ride these bikes.
in the end it is upto you to decide which bike u want .hope that clears everything.
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wow there we go.
ahem.... guys
1. i wanted bike to learn and ride. intend to keep it till the 250's are released, and that should be early 2009 if i am not wrong.
2. the main reason for RX is it can take the beating while learning and and is designed for the same (as in engine can withstand) . i heard how bad ever u can treat the bike it will deliver the same performance and mileage will be 35 minimum.
3. wanted to know the difference in performance and styling between 100 and 135.
i know 4 strokes have lot of advantages, i agree with that too. but for me right now learning to ride a geared bike and getting ready for the performance bikes is the point.and yamaha being performance oriented, had it in my list.
and regarding my back aches, well that will be basically given by riding the kinetic and lot of sport activities(cricket, track and field, gym). keep aside the pain, can live with it but dont want to aggravate it more.Bikes don't spill oil, they mark their territory.Comment
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and by Jan/Feb 2009 will be buying a car as well...Bikes don't spill oil, they mark their territory.Comment
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Karthik let me tell you what i feel, stress free bike is only Bullet, all other bike tears the rider into pieces no matter how good or bad the rider is.
Since its your first bike bullet won't sound good technically and financially
Its better you buy a 2 stroke as a learner since the maintaince is low, and takes the abuses kind heartedly
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lol not fighting guys. sorry if the tone of my post seemed that way.
back on topic...
karthik: styling difference between 100 & 135 - none that i'm aware of.
performance - people claim 100 is better but i think it's more of a myth moreso when you consider the age of a 100 vs most 135s + the ease of modifications to extract more.
since you mentioned that you want to first learn and then get used to a bit of performance for when the 250s come in (only the god of biking knows when he plans to smile on us poor indians), i think the RX is ideal mainly because of just how much you can trick it out. there are some guys in bangalore who can turn a little RX into a giant killer trust me! so much so that if things are done correctly it may even floor the 250s at least within the city.
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He floks
Sorry once again if i made any one feel by my post that you people are fighting ... My apologies again ...
I was just putting myself on Karthiks shoes and i though that reading all these different opinions , he might get confused more . Well i too own a Uni .. Used to ride a Fiero and have used my friends Rx 100 and Shogun a lot ..
Just felt like the posts and reply what i was reading is taking a different direction more like a difference between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke
karthik has almost decided on Yamaha .. Thats what i feel from his words and its good bike ...
All the best for you to get a good bike & you need to take extra care of your back . After all Health is Wealth brother ..
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thanks a lot guys...
thanks for all the valuable suggestions u have poured...
hmmm,,, welll yes as pradeep said
i have almost decided to go in for an rx (@ silver shadow- yes i considered the points u came up with , had the same in my mind) 135 5 speed.
now i need to search one in bangalore. so guys from bangalore little help in finding one for me.i am also trying from my end.
oh and yes what will be the engine work i will have to do? (considering the bike is not in good condition) and what is the cost of it i will be looking at?
what else i will have to do when i get one?Bikes don't spill oil, they mark their territory.Comment
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while 5 speed RxZ with disc brakes pumps out 14ps. BesidesOriginally posted by pk28.karthik View Post" if WRONG is a T-shirt ; then wearing it inside out doesn't make it RIGHT "Comment
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Hi
Yo man you seem to be an RX guru .. awesome details . Keep up the good work
karthik all the best to you . Hope you get a descend bike .sigpic
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guys i contacted my mechanic yesterday. spoke to him about getting me a rx 135 5 speed.
he will contact me on tuesday regarding the same.
he was telling that we could go in for 135 4 speed / 135 5 speed, get few repairs and tuning done.
he says there in not much difference in 4 speed and 5 speed.. we can convert to 5 speed for 6000 Rs
according to him, its 18000-22000Rs for the bike plus repairs and mods on the bike 8000-10000Rs....but he is my trusted mechanic (actually owner of garage)...
do u guys find it a good deal?Bikes don't spill oil, they mark their territory.Comment
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