The Official Delhi Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[sherry_unicornlover]

As luck would have it, i will only be available for any trip after 15-16th Sep Weekend.

[jayhaywalker]

This happens in every official long ride and is needed for safe riding

Sirjee are you serious? Do we really need to get permission slips signed by parents/ guardians?. Nevertheless i am perplexed as to how getting slips signed by parents/guardians creates safe riding.

decide a place though I would love to be a part of it but I will not be able to get off in those days... so depending on the destination I can find a suitable price for accomodation....

What are the options for the destination? Pawan deleted the poster post with the 3 destination. Does it mean there is scope for new destinations? I like Narkanda 427km. Alternatively i would like to propose Chamoli 517km, it will put Hatu to shame, i think. Unfortunately it would be 90km more.

I really would like to ride on the dates previously declared. Frame shifting to a week after that would leave me unsure.

[sherry_unicornlover]

Sirjee are you serious? Do we really need to get permission slips signed by parents/ guardians?. Nevertheless i am perplexed as to how getting slips signed by parents/guardians creates safe riding.

Who said you need permission slips from parents/Guardians?

It was all related to do's and Don't on the ride. And there always have to be rules (If you wanna call it that) to ensure the safety. experienced and Old riders already know them and follow them on all the rides, but new ones especially who are going to ride in mountains for the first time need to know them and adhere to them. As beautiful mountains may look, but they don't give second chances.

[kurtrules]

Sirjee are you serious? Do we really need to get permission slips signed by parents/ guardians?. Nevertheless i am perplexed as to how getting slips signed by parents/guardians creates safe riding.

Actually these 'slips' are a declaration that you are going on your own risk and responsibility in case of any unforseen incident, the organizers will not be held responsible. Moreover it also has terms and conditions decided by the organizing team, specifically mentioned. And in order to be a part of the group ride, you have to agree to them. The same reason why children have to get those 'slips' signed from their parents.

You may get the declaration signed from any supervisor, who will be allowing you to ride with the group on your own or his/her responsibility. In case declarations are ignored, fate may take a nasty turn and legal issues may crop up which may put the organizers in trouble.

Organizing group rides on a large scale is a very tough job, and this is a mandate step.

[jayhaywalker]

Who said you need permission slips from parents/Guardians?

It was all related to do's and Don't on the ride. And there always have to be rules (If you wanna call it that) to ensure the safety. experienced and Old riders already know them and follow them on all the rides, but new ones especially who are going to ride in mountains for the first time need to know them and adhere to them. As beautiful mountains may look, but they don't give second chances.

Prateek did, in his reply to me. Hehe .

Yes absolutely, rules are quintessential for a civilized living. This was demonstrated through William Golding's novel 'Lord of the flies'. It demonstrated how lawlessness makes people yearn for laws. Then eventually the very same laws they agreed to, had suffocated them to anarchy.

Actually these 'slips' are a declaration that you are going on your own risk and responsibility in case of any unforseen incident, the organizers will not be held responsible. Moreover it also has terms and conditions decided by the organizing team, specifically mentioned. And in order to be a part of the group ride, you have to agree to them. The same reason why children have to get those 'slips' signed from their parents.

You may get the declaration signed from any supervisor, who will be allowing you to ride with the group on your own or his/her responsibility.In case declarations are ignored, fate may take a nasty turn and legal issues may crop up which may put the organizers in trouble.

Organizing group rides on a large scale is a very tough job, and this is a mandate step.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I had thought all riders were responsible for themselves and their pillion, but which occasion causes a supervisor to allow a rider to ride under their responsibility?

I deduce that these slip declarations provide more 'safe oraganising' for the organizers, than it provides safe riding for the rider.

I am sorry i dont understand what you mean by mandate? Nevertheless I dont think organizing group rides on a large scale is all that difficult as you make it sound. The only difficult part is getting people to turn up. The rest will fall in place, as the oraganizer is not expected to bear the expenditures of any of the participants.

[titanic4u]

Prateek did, in his reply to me. Hehe .

Yes absolutely, rules are quintessential for a civilized living. This was demonstrated through William Golding's novel 'Lord of the flies'. It demonstrated how lawlessness makes people yearn for laws. Then eventually the very same laws they agreed to, had suffocated them to anarchy.


Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I had thought all riders were responsible for themselves and their pillion, but which occasion causes a supervisor to allow a rider to ride under their responsibility?

I deduce that these slip declarations provide more 'safe oraganising' for the organizers, than it provides safe riding for the rider.

I am sorry i dont understand what you mean by mandate? Nevertheless I dont think organizing group rides on a large scale is all that difficult as you make it sound. The only difficult part is getting people to turn up. The rest will fall in place, as the oraganizer is not expected to bear the expenditures of any of the participants.

Aye buddy, looks like you are taking in wrong way,
1. While riding in formation under the lead of Lead and Sweeper you have to obey some rules,
2. Clear bike papers ensure that one biker don't create problems for others ad we cant left him in mid.
3. Helmet is mandate and other riding gears are recommended(not forcefully mandate) but u got injured even in minor fall than again, it will be problem for other bikers. But again only helmet is mandate, lekin soch Lena riding a CBR while wearing a payjama and chappal won't suit in formation riding, rofl.

@Pawan Rathore: Put up the plan again, give the command in the hands of Mods/oldies(buddhe bikers who have big Tond, :P). Who the hell care whose idea is this, Let's ride together, I literally want to have a such long group ride(and it will be the voice of almost all the riders),



~Sandeep~
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[rx100.7050]

Aye buddy, looks like you are taking in wrong way,
1. While riding in formation under the lead of Lead and Sweeper you have to obey some rules,
2. Clear bike papers ensure that one biker don't create problems for others ad we cant left him in mid.
3. Helmet is mandate and other riding gears are recommended(not forcefully mandate) but u got injured even in minor fall than again, it will be problem for other bikers. But again only helmet is mandate, lekin soch Lena riding a CBR while wearing a payjama and chappal won't suit in formation riding, rofl.

@Pawan Rathore: Put up the plan again, give the command in the hands of Mods/oldies(buddhe bikers who have big Tond, :P). Who the hell care whose idea is this, Let's ride together, I literally want to have a such long group ride(and it will be the voice of almost all the riders),


~Sandeep~
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Objection, My Lord. I strongly object to my dear counsel's statement

Ok Guys..... let's put a lid to this unnecessary talks. Let's fix a suitable date & a destination & we can all go in a group, no issues. Obviously rest will be decided by Mods but rest assured, there will be some seniors and budous (like me ) who will act as Organizers so that we have maximum fun & less incidents

Cheers

[kurtrules]

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I had thought all riders were responsible for themselves and their pillion, but which occasion causes a supervisor to allow a rider to ride under their responsibility?

The rider is responsible for himself and his pillion. But, the supervisor is responsible in sending the rider to the ride. In case of any incident, the parents/guardians may put the whole blame on the organizers. They may come up and say that the organizers instigated their ward to participate, against his/her wishes and may demand compensation (Might sound immature on the part of the supervisor, but it has happened!). Who will fill that up? Please remember that the organizers have moral responsibilities towards all the riders and so do the riders towards the organizers. But the organizers are not responsible legally/judiciary.

I deduce that these slip declarations provide more 'safe oraganising' for the organizers, than it provides safe riding for the rider.

Yes, what else did you think? If the organizer is taking pains in devising a plan and executing it, he or they deserve to remain on the safer side, and watch their back. Nothing wrong in that.

I am sorry i dont understand what you mean by mandate? Nevertheless I dont think organizing group rides on a large scale is all that difficult as you make it sound. The only difficult part is getting people to turn up. The rest will fall in place, as the oraganizer is not expected to bear the expenditures of any of the participants.

If you are a sound organizer, people turn up! Oh they do! In huge numbers, and you have to turn them back. I have organized approximately 7 rides in the last two years, 6 weekend rides and one 10 day ride to Ladakh. We always had more than 20 people on all the weekend rides, the maximum turn out was 35. I would not get into the details, just explain one aspect - 30 odd people cannot ride in one group, not on the hills. So we had 3 groups of 10 people each, each with their separate group lead and sweep, and then of course, the ride lead and sweep. Dividing responsibilities, ensuring that all groups remain in sync and meet up at the designated pit stops, mentoring all groups on the nuances of riding in large group, and bringing everyone home safe and sound (talked about moral responsibility), trust me, was a difficult job!

[jayhaywalker]

Aye buddy, looks like you are taking in wrong way,
1. While riding in formation under the lead of Lead and Sweeper you have to obey some rules,
2. Clear bike papers ensure that one biker don't create problems for others ad we cant left him in mid.
3. Helmet is mandate and other riding gears are recommended(not forcefully mandate) but u got injured even in minor fall than again, it will be problem for other bikers. But again only helmet is mandate, lekin soch Lena riding a CBR while wearing a payjama and chappal won't suit in formation riding, rofl.

@Pawan Rathore: Put up the plan again, give the command in the hands of Mods/oldies(buddhe bikers who have big Tond, :P). Who the hell care whose idea is this, Let's ride together, I literally want to have a such long group ride(and it will be the voice of almost all the riders),



~Sandeep~
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Arrey humri doobe hue titanic chacha,
I know what mandate means. I wasnt sure what kurt meant by 'organising group rides on a large scale is a tough job, and this is a mandate step.' However i think i know now.Furthermore i wholeheartedly agree with your 1,2,3. This is the responsibility of the rider. e.g If a rider is stopped by police and does not produce the necessary documents, he should be left behind, and next time he should be inspected before the ride.


Additionally if Pawan Rathore, wants to make a group of 30 riders/friends, and ride to Narkanda or chamoli; why should the mods be having acidity in their tond?


Last but not least, you are breaking your promise to not use SMS Lingo.

[aseemb85]

lets end up this discussion over thread and keep it on for dhaba......please pour the suggestion for destination....

[rx100.7050]

lets end up this discussion over thread and keep it on for dhaba......please pour the suggestion for destination....

Was almost about to call you today. I was riding with my close buddy who bought Classic 500 on the Sohna road, all covered in mud. Was thinking of calling you & meeting you at Dumduma but my friend was completely drenched & his shoes were not meant for this abuse. We turned back. The flashback of previous group ride & that again in rains came rushing to me I was enjoying thoroghly

[jayhaywalker]

The rider is responsible for himself and his pillion. But, the supervisor is responsible in sending the rider to the ride. In case of any incident, the parents/guardians may put the whole blame on the organizers. They may come up and say that the organizers instigated their ward to participate, against his/her wishes and may demand compensation (Might sound immature on the part of the supervisor, but it has happened!). Who will fill that up? Please remember that the organizers have moral responsibilities towards all the riders and so do the riders towards the organizers. But the organizers are not responsible legally/judiciary.



Yes, what else did you think? If the organizer is taking pains in devising a plan and executing it, he or they deserve to remain on the safer side, and watch their back. Nothing wrong in that.



If you are a sound organizer, people turn up! Oh they do! In huge numbers, and you have to turn them back. I have organized approximately 7 rides in the last two years, 6 weekend rides and one 10 day ride to Ladakh. We always had more than 20 people on all the weekend rides, the maximum turn out was 35. I would not get into the details, just explain one aspect - 30 odd people cannot ride in one group, not on the hills. So we had 3 groups of 10 people each, each with their separate group lead and sweep, and then of course, the ride lead and sweep. Dividing responsibilities, ensuring that all groups remain in sync and meet up at the designated pit stops, mentoring all groups on the nuances of riding in large group, and bringing everyone home safe and sound (talked about moral responsibility), trust me, was a difficult job!

Kurt thank you, once more. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

When parents come and say the organizers instigated their ward to ride, they make it sound as if the organizers had some sort of malicious intend. Very pathetic of them, first off they shouldnt have bought their ward a bike, rather buy a electric scooter at best. Actually when people were saying its for safe riding, I wondered how. But now its clear that what they mean is safe organizing. Yeah i see it does get tough when you have to be morally responsible. Mate, would you be planning a long ride next weekend for your birthday? After all things explained, i am certain it would be my privilege to participate in any ride you organize.


@rx dada & aseem: First lets find out how many people will ride, if such a trip is planned. Then lets decide a destination based on: the number of days they are willing to attribute, and the number of kilometer they feel comfortable doing in a day, for this mega ride.

[kurtrules]

Thank you Jay. There would be a ride most probably in the 3 week of September. I would PM you the details, once it gets finalized.

In the meanwhile looking forward to participate in this one, once the plan is disclosed

For two day rides from Delhi, decent places in Himachal would be a long affair of at least 8-10 hours/day

[aseemb85]

@rx dada & aseem: First lets find out how many people will ride, if such a trip is planned. Then lets decide a destination based on: the number of days they are willing to attribute, and the number of kilometer they feel comfortable doing in a day, for this mega ride.

Then look for a destination and plan accordingly.....if the riders are more then 300 kms ride is enough in hills but if number is less like 5-8 then the 450 kms destination can be considered.....

[jayhaywalker]

Thank you Jay. There would be a ride most probably in the 3 week of September. I would PM you the details, once it gets finalized.

In the meanwhile looking forward to participate in this one, once the plan is disclosed

For two day rides from Delhi, decent places in Himachal would be a long affair of at least 8-10 hours/day

My pleasure. Look forward to the PM. Also looking forward to one on the table now. Yep decent places in HP would be a long affair of over 8hrs, nonetheless, time flies when all the riders are skilled formation group riders, like a mechanized infantry unit.

Then look for a destination and plan accordingly.....if the riders are more then 300 kms ride is enough in hills but if number is less like 5-8 then the 450 kms destination can be considered.....

Bro, i honestly dont know whats happening here. Man proposes god disposes, likewise man proposes mod disposes. Under such a condition we may aswell wait for the mods to propose and dispose.

However if you want to really do it the 'BY US FOR US' way. We need to know how many people are willing to ride. Then based on that democratically decide the destination. Yes I think you are right in assuming that 300 kms ride is enough in hills if the no. of riders is more than 10.

List of people willing to ride {based on previous expressions}:-

1-Rx.Dada
2-Aseem
3-Titanic
4-The Jatt
5-L.P
6-Kurtrules
7-JayHayWalker{definitely}
8-Pawan Great {dude you kicked this ball first, better be willing still}
9-Diablo
10-Itsmevini
11-DCvenom

I believe the above guys had expressed interested. Anyone missed?

Destinations:-
1-Chindi - sugessted by kurt
2- Narkanda- suggested by LP
3-Chamoli- by Jay but it may be considered long at 500km
4-Hatu and Shimla are same i think, just former is chota shimla and latter bada.

Dont know if there were other suggestions?