Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

[Shreeni0403]

Originally Posted by princesirohi

hey u said ur battery gave up in 2 months due to high charging rate. but earlier i was saying this and u contradicted? clarify yaar......bahut confusion hai.

He meant the battery was fried bcz of insufficient charge before RR change.

[sajjt]

Originally Posted by princesirohi

i am very confused ...????

btw what is a shrinking sleeve?

hey u said ur battery gave up in 2 months due to high charging rate. but earlier i was saying this and u contradicted? clarify yaar......bahut confusion hai.

i m editing this post 2nd time coz i have found out that certain type of battery chargers can be paralleled, but they are special ones. i m trying to figure out a way to charge teh battery using two chargers in parallel.

Heat shrinking sleeve can be used for insulation, will give a nice finish, better stability as its clings the wires or whatso ever very tightly. I couldnt use this for the first mods as I thought its available only bigger sizes, with a cigarette ligter u can do the job but for better finish u've to use a hot air gun.

See the finish and the insulation it offers


Dude, what I meant by frying the batt is depleting it fully to its last drop, how can a stock rr can overcharge and spoil the batt? I was reffering when I was on the stock RR and the HID, every night batt gets dry before I reach my home, and was depending on my spots to complete the journey.

As I said earlier, if u can get a smart AC+DC RR, its well and good for others who dont want to convert to full DC and pls do update it here, I've done with this RR after a series of RR change and till date its fine.

[Shreeni0403]

Originally Posted by sajjt

Heat shrinking sleeve can be used for insulation, will give a nice finish, better stability as its clings the wires or whatso ever very tightly. I couldnt use this for the first mods as I thought its available only bigger sizes, with a cigarette ligter u can do the job but for better finish u've to use a hot air gun.



See the finish and the insulation it offers


Dude, what I meant by frying the batt is depleting it fully to its last drop, how can a stock rr can overcharge and spoil the batt? I was reffering when I was on the stock RR and the HID, every night batt gets dry before I reach my home, and was depending on my spots to complete the journey.

As I said earlier, if u can get a smart AC+DC RR, its well and good for others who dont want to convert to full DC and pls do update it here, I've done with this RR after a series of RR change and till date its fine.

Can you plz resize the image !!


EDIT - Delete the image you have put

[sajjt]

Originally Posted by Shreeni0403

Can you plz resize the image !!

its just a link man, cant do resizing, is there any way to fit them in a box while giving the link?

[abhijeet080808]

Originally Posted by princesirohi

i am very confused ...????

btw what is a shrinking sleeve?

hey u said ur battery gave up in 2 months due to high charging rate. but earlier i was saying this and u contradicted? clarify yaar......bahut confusion hai.

i m editing this post 2nd time coz i have found out that certain type of battery chargers can be paralleled, but they are special ones. i m trying to figure out a way to charge teh battery using two chargers in parallel.

I think his batt gave up as it was not properly charging earlier. Shrinking sleeve is heat shrink. Use google!

Better avoid parallel charging. It would be too much complex. Why do you insist on using 2 RR units?

[sajjt]

Originally Posted by Shreeni0403

Can you plz resize the image !!


EDIT - Delete the image you have put

R u happy?

But answer the other query about resizing within a frame while link

[princesirohi]

@sajjt, abhijeet, shreeni, rahuldev.


now since u all know my problem...

i have installed an HID and want to increase the charging rate. what shud i do?

1) i dont think i know an auto electrician who can do rewinding job. even i m not interested to mess with winding.

2) leaving the windings intact. i also dont want to convert my bike to full DC as some of the things still run on AC.

3) can someone tell me if i convert my bike to all DC, do i need to change the pilot lamps and digital display lights (which i dont think can be changed) to run on DC.

4) are AC and DC bulbs different.

suppose i disconnect the two wires going to RR unit from charging coils in stator and connect them to APE RR unit and APE RR unit output to battery leaving everything else intact. will it increase the charging current.

what do u guys suggest i shud do.

how many of you guys have rewound the coil and coverted the bike to full DC? and of course running succesfuly.

[rahuldevnath]

Hey Shreeni.. great initiative. I understand you are one of the few people on Xbhp, who have burnt their hands, and still don't refrain from plunging into the unknown.
I'm sure a Universal Sticky thread, would help lot of newbies, as even I see people again and again ask same questions.

Originally Posted by princesirohi

@sajjt, abhijeet, shreeni, rahuldev.


now since u all know my problem...

i have installed an HID and want to increase the charging rate. what shud i do?

1) i dont think i know an auto electrician who can do rewinding job. even i m not interested to mess with winding.

There's no need to mess with the coil, no rewinding is required.

2) leaving the windings intact. i also dont want to convert my bike to full DC as some of the things still run on AC.

It's better to make whole bike DC, and charge your battery via a separate rectifier. Why do you want to have AC?

3) can someone tell me if i convert my bike to all DC, do i need to change the pilot lamps and digital display lights (which i dont think can be changed) to run on DC.

NO, not required, but pilots bulb can be replace with LEDs for better charging


4) are AC and DC bulbs different.

NO

suppose i disconnect the two wires going to RR unit from charging coils in stator and connect them to APE RR unit and APE RR unit output to battery leaving everything else intact. will it increase the charging current.

what do u guys suggest i shud do.

how many of you guys have rewound the coil and coverted the bike to full DC? and of course running succesfuly.

In your 150, simply there's a yellow wire coming from the stator coil. You have to cut it at the Starter Relay, and install a Rectifer (APE or a custom built one ).

Check the pic for the rectifier installed on P180UG3. Apart from one cut, there's no other change to bike's wiring, Everything is placed inside one single unit.

[princesirohi]

didn't get you, there is no wire going from stator coil to starter relay. starter relay receives all DC supply.

[sajjt]

Originally Posted by rahuldevnath

Hey Shreeni.. great initiative. I understand you are one of the few people on Xbhp, who have burnt their hands, and still don't refrain from plunging into the unknown.
I'm sure a Universal Sticky thread, would help lot of newbies, as even I see people again and again ask same questions.

In your 150, simply there's a yellow wire coming from the stator coil. You have to cut it at the Starter Relay, and install a Rectifer (APE or a custom built one ).

Check the pic for the rectifier installed on P180UG3. Apart from one cut, there's no other change to bike's wiring, Everything is placed inside one single unit.

Originally Posted by princesirohi

@sajjt, abhijeet, shreeni, rahuldev.


now since u all know my problem...

i have installed an HID and want to increase the charging rate. what shud i do?

1) i dont think i know an auto electrician who can do rewinding job. even i m not interested to mess with winding.

2) leaving the windings intact. i also dont want to convert my bike to full DC as some of the things still run on AC.

3) can someone tell me if i convert my bike to all DC, do i need to change the pilot lamps and digital display lights (which i dont think can be changed) to run on DC.

4) are AC and DC bulbs different.

suppose i disconnect the two wires going to RR unit from charging coils in stator and connect them to APE RR unit and APE RR unit output to battery leaving everything else intact. will it increase the charging current.

what do u guys suggest i shud do.

how many of you guys have rewound the coil and coverted the bike to full DC? and of course running succesfuly.

Rahul, princesirohi, there's a correction for wiring, u cant simply cut the yellow wire and feed to RR, as the stock RR is a AC+DC type, one of the light coil is grounded which is to be isolated to get the full DC output. And black wire from stator coil grounded within the harness to be isolated too. So ineffect, we need to fully isolate the yellow and black wires from the harness after isolating the grounding from the light coil and then feed to the new RR. And the RR DC out to be fed to the batt, and one more wire cut from the stock RR AC out wire (YR) to be tapped to the ignition switch out wire(Br), u r done and the wiring is on DC now, except the re routing power supply thru relays. Feed the SPST relay coils from the H/L beam wire/stock socket and take the power directly from the batt for the bulb with a higher guage wire. This is the wiring I am using and I feel rather depending on the harness fully, the isolation part will take care of any internal shorting or so. Wrong wiring can smoke the entire harness, even power from a mean 2.5A batt will do the job in secs.

Rahul is right, for an HID no need of coil rewinding required, only the recharge rate is to be altered. But u need to open the stator cover for isolating the grounding wire

Once u do the above wiring mod, all ur lights will be up as earlier but on DC, but if u r not going to rewind, u may sacrifice the pilot lamps as its eatingup of good chunk say 20W from the batt, note that ur HID rating is only 35W! and u may not get enough backup,but on higher rpm rides, will not affect this. Or u can even change to LEDs costing 100-300 range, better go for the higher range will offer a good life span.

Its a tricky mod, Am not sure about the outcome of keeping two RR. In case if u succeed too, u need to rewind the batt charging coil to boost the charging rate, what do u think? which is more easy? And why do u want AC lighting with you man? Evenif ur batt is flat too, if u got an aux lamp, still there's power from the RR just like u get from the AC lighting. I used my HID with a flat batt for 2-3 days, but my coil is 130W+ after rewinding.

Being with a single HID bulb, I strongly recomed for an aux light incase of an emergency as in case of failure to the HID, u'll be left in the darkness, no body can give u a spare HID bulb/Ballast from local spares.

Am on full DC for the past 4 months and everythings are as smooth as OEM. There are other members like Abhi, Shree etc. who r running on DC more than a year and they will vouch for this. If u do the wiring mods correctly u've nothing to worry, else, u've lot to worry Better take help from an experienced auto electrician not mech and brief him what all things are to be done, to avoid confusion later.

Now u decide what to do and Goodluck.